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Worst Forms of Child Labour Data

Netherlands Region Europe
Population 15,735,000
Population under 18 3,412,000

Total Child Labour NATIONAL STATISTICS

* For the year 2000, the ILO projects that there will be 0 economically active children between the ages of 10-14. (ILO, International Labour Office - Bureau of Statistics, Economically Active Population 1950-2010, STAT Working Paper, ILO 1997)

* For the year 2000, 561000 children between 15-19 years were economically active. (ILO, Yearbook of Labour Statistics, 2001)

* 512,000 teenagers between 15-19 years are economically active. (ILO, Yearbook of Labour Statistics, 1999)

* In 1995, 0.02% of children between the ages of 10-14 years were economically active. (ILO, International Labour Office - Bureau of Statistics, Economically Active Population 1950-2010, STAT Working Paper, ILO 1997)


Child Slavery
GENERAL NOTES AND OBSERVATIONS

* No cases of forced child labour occur. (US Dept of State, Human Rights Report, 1998)


Child Trafficking NATIONAL STATISTICS





* The country is a major destination for trafficked women. According to the Justice Ministry, 20,000 to 30,000 persons work in prostitution, about half of them illegal residents from non-EU countries. Many come from Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Eastern Europe, and Nigeria. (US Dept of State, Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 2000, February 2001)

* The Foundation Against Trafficking in Women estimates that each year some 3,000 women and girls are brought into the country for the purpose of prostitution. (US Dept of State, Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 2000, February 2001)

* At least 200 women, including girls under the age of 16, were trafficked by one Polish man to Netherlands and Germany between 1993 and 1996. (CATW Fact Book, citing "Trafficking of Women to the European Union", European Conference on Trafficking in Women, June 1996, citing Warsaw Voice)

ADULT STATISTICS

* According to various reports, some 3,500 Bulgarian women are trafficked to Poland, thousands to the Netherlands and the Czech Republic, while others are trafficked to Germany, Belgium, Canada, Serbia-Montenegro, Romania, Hungary, TFYR Macedonia, Italy, Greece, Cyprus, and Turkey. (US Dept of State, Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 1999, 25 February 2000)

* In Amsterdam, 80% of prostitutes are foreigners, and 70% have no immigration papers, suggesting that they were trafficked. (CATW Fact Book, citing Marie-Victoire Louis, "Legalizing Pimping, Dutch Style", Le Monde Diplomatique, 8 March 1997)


* In 1994, 69% of 168 trafficked victims were from Central and Eastern European Countries. (The Dutch Foundation Against Trafficking in Women, "Trafficking of Women to the European Union", European Conference on Trafficking in Women, June 1996, IOM, 7 May 1996)


* There are at least 1,000 trafficked women in the Netherlands. (CATW Fact Book, citing "Trafficking of Women to the European Union", European Conference on Trafficking in Women, June 1996)


GENERAL NOTES AND OBSERVATIONS

* A Dutch study by Terre des Hommes indicates that many children are trafficked into the Netherlands for purposes of abuse through prostitution. Many of these children, mostly girls, come from Africa. They are sold again to Belgium and other European countries where they are forced to provide sex. (ECPAT International, A Step Forward, 1999)

* The Directorate of Migration estimates that there are approximately 400 rings of alien smugglers and purveyors of false documents operating within the Dominican Republic. These individuals profit by facilitating the trafficking of women to Spain, Netherlands, and Argentina under false pretenses, for purposes of prostitution. (US Dept of State, Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 1999, 25 February 2000)

* Homeless children in Romania have increasingly been trafficked under false pretenses and forced into prostitution in Berlin and Hamburg, Germany and Amsterdam, Holland. (CATW Fact Book, citing Save the Children, Albert Clack, "Romania: Life on the streets", 1998)


* The main concentrations of prostituted Dominican women working abroad are in Austria, Curacao, Germany, Greece, Haiti, Italy, the Netherlands, Panama, Puerto Rico, Spain, Switzerland, Venezuela and the West Indies. (CATW Fact Book, citing "Trafficking in Women from the Dominican Republic for Sexual Exploitation", IOM, June 1996)

* Sweden is used as a transit country for trafficking Latin American women to brothels in Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands. (CATW Fact Book, citing "Trafficking of Women to the European Union", European Conference on Trafficking in Women, June 1996)

* Women from Thailand are trafficked particularly to the Netherlands and Germany, Japan, Australia, India, Malaysia and nations of the Middle East. (CATW-Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific, 1996)

* In the Czech Republic, the growing organised crime networks have engaged in the trafficking of young women into Western Europe, especially to Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Greece. The operation uses Slovakia as a transit country. (CATW Fact Book, citing "Highway to prostitution", The Euroreporter, 1995)


Child Prostitution and Pornography NATIONAL STATISTICS


* Child prostitution seems concentrated in cities and while numbers vary, estimate range from 500 - 2000 children involved a year. (ECPAT, CSEC Database, http://www.ecpat.net/eng/ecpat_inter/pr ... /index.asp)

* There are an estimated 1,000 child prostitutes. (World Congress Against Commercial Sexual Exploitation, August 1996)

ADULT STATISTICS

* There are an estimated 30,000 prostitutes in the Netherlands. (CATW Fact Book, citing "Sex Tax Ticks Off Dutch", AP, 14 October 1997)


* In Amsterdam, 80% of prostitutes are foreigners, and 70% have no immigration papers, suggesting that they were trafficked. (CATW Fact Book, citing Marie-Victoire Louis, "Legalizing Pimping, Dutch Style", Le Monde Diplomatique, 8 March 1997)


GENERAL NOTES AND OBSERVATIONS


* Of all child prostitutes, a study by the Dutch Institute of Social Sexual Research estimated that 33.5% are of Dutch origin, 28% are not of Dutch origin (permanent residents) and 39% are recently immigrated (less than 5 years). Major groups include, Nigerians, Moroccans, Chinese and Eastern Europeans. The study also noted that there are approximately 1000 boys working in the industry. (ECPAT, CSEC Database, http://www.ecpat.net/eng/ecpat_inter/pr ... /index.asp)

* A Dutch study by Terre des Hommes indicates that many children are trafficked into the Netherlands for purposes of abuse through prostitution. Many of these children, mostly girls, come from Africa. They are sold again to Belgium and other European countries where they are forced to provide sex. (ECPAT International, A Step Forward, 1999)

* Homeless children in Romania have increasingly been trafficked under false pretenses and forced into prostitution in Berlin and Hamburg in Germany and Amsterdam in The Netherlands. (CATW Fact Book, citing Save the Children, Albert Clack, "Romania: Life on the streets", 1998)

* The Philippines, Thailand, South Korea, Sri Lanka and Hong Kong are some of the primary Asian destinations for organised sex tours from the Netherlands. (CATW-Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific, 1996)


Children in Crime GENERAL JUVENILE CRIME STATISTICS

* In 1998 there were 207,778 reported cases of juvenile crime, representing 17% of all criminal cases. The specific offences were: 136 cases of murder (8% of all murders), 6,460 cases of serious assault (17% of all cases), 190,914 cases of all type of theft (23% of all cases), 130,458 cases of aggravated theft (26% of all cases), 4,478 cases of robbery and violent theft (31% of all cases), 126,188 cases of breaking and entering (26% of all cases), 65,660 case of other theft (20% of all cases), 1,229 cases of fraud (7% of all cases), 142 cases of counterfeit currency offences (6% of all cases), 229 cases of drug offences (3% of all cases). (INTERPOL, International Crime Statistics for 1998, National Statistics)


Child Soldiers GOVERNMENT FORCE STATISTICS

* The Dutch armed forces recruit 800 to 900 under-18s every year. (CSUCS, Global Report on Child Soldiers - 2001 citing Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 9/12/99, op. cit. )

RECRUITMENT LAWS AND REGULATIONS


* The Civil Code of the Netherlands (Burgerlijk Wetboek) states that children between 16 and 18 years of age may seek employment of their own choosing, on condition that they receive permission from parents or guardians and dispensation from a judge. (CSUCS, Global Report on Child Soldiers - 2001)

* According to internal rules of the armed forces, these recruits cannot be sent abroad to take part in military operations before they reach the age of eighteen. (CSUCS, Global Report on Child Soldiers - 2001 citing Gmelich Meijling op. cit.)

* In 1996, when Netherland modified its recruitment policy and its selection of personnel for peace operations abroad, it set 17 years as the minimum age for recruitment and 18 for participation in hostilities. 19 years is the minimum age for recruitment into the National Reserve Corps. (CSUCS, Europe Report, October 1999, citing Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 20 July 1999)


* The Dutch armed forces underwent an extensive reorganization in 1993 and conscription was suspended although it can be reinstated in case of emergency. (CSUCS, Europe Report, October 1999, citing Report of The Netherlands to the UN CRC, 24 July 1997)

NOTES ON GOVERNMENT FORCES

* There are indications of under-18s in government armed forces. Legislative provisions regarding the recruitment age need to be clarified and harmonized with actual practice. It appears that 16 is the minimum age in law but that the armed forces practice a policy of only recruiting 17-year-olds and deploying 18-year-olds. (CSUCS, Global Report on Child Soldiers - 2001)

NOTES ON FOREIGN OPPOSITION GROUPS

* On 22 November 1998, the criminal police of Hanover reported that 3 children had been trained by the PKK for guerrilla warfare in camps in the Netherlands and Belgium. (CSUCS, Europe Report, October 1999, citing "GfbV appelliert an Bundesregierung: Sorgen Sie für die Rückkehr der von der PKK in Deutschland entführten kurdischen Minderjährigen in ihren Familien!", GfbV, 23 November 1998)


Domestic Child Servants -
Other Hazardous
Child Labour SPECIFIC SECTORS

* Garment Manufacturing - Children were found working in illegal clothing workshops in Amsterdam. (EFCW, Children Who Work in Europe, June 1998)

* Street Children - The phenomenon of street children is on the increase recently as the group of migrant children has grown. They are mainly found in Amsterdam and Rotterdam. (EFCW, Children Who Work in Europe, June 1998)







you are not doing your home work back home robbyG !!. or better yet can you show us your effort toward all the above, you seem like a human rights enthusiast whom we might learn one or two things from . Indeed there are ppl who needs tissues more than me boy..

You don't even understand these numbers kid. READ properly. These numbers a better than nearly any other country on the globe. But they can't measure it accurate there since they don't know any legal prostitution! Big difference. Definitions are very important also!

You should really Visit-Holland some time (RedKite! Link please) since this country has the best human rights you can ever imagine.

It is a shame you couldn't show us the latest numbers of 2006 or 2007 since they have improved even for the better.

But look at those numbers!! Not a country in the world that has this kind of low numbers. By the way, you do know that prostitution in Holland is like owning a business right? That mean those woman are self employed and some are pimped, but they earn big money legally and pay taxes!!

That means most of them work voluntarily for money! Not all perhaps, but that is the International trafficking circuit that gets high attention and prosecution from Dutch authorities.

I was 12.7 years old when I got my first job. Thats normal if you want to make some money as a youngster. Thats a free working spirit Kiddo! You can learn something from that.

Slavery he says, haah take another box of tissues Kid. We don't need them here, thats for sure.

Typical reaction from a local to deflect the attention away from the UAE once again! We're not talking about Holland, this forum has nothing to do with Holland!

RobbyG wrote:By the way, you do know that prostitution in Holland is like owning a business right? That mean those woman are self employed and some are pimped, but they earn big money legally and pay taxes!!

That means most of them work voluntarily for money! Not all perhaps, but that is the International trafficking circuit that gets high attention and prosecution from Dutch authorities.

I was 12.7 years old when I got my first job.

For a minute there, I thought you got a different kind of "job" at the age 12. Of the blow kind.

Israel is much worse in human trafficking...

http://www.venusproject.com/ethics_in_a ... avery.html

The point was same. Problem lies every where. UAEkid is doing what Robbie is doing ... trying to hide his own mess.

RobbieG comes pointing fingers, but Dutch have their own shit they will never look at, but always ready to point fingers at others. At least he could accept reality re his backyard, while pointing fingers at UAE. UAE needs tht, but he can not take the focus away from facts.

Some day, you will understand all this Robbie G. Heaven and hell are on earth ... we all experience it and the deeds we did all pass by us when we suffering. Don't convince me about anything, just convince yourself.

And.... no-one is saying that these things don't happen elsewhere, of course they do. Point is this forum is not about anywhere else, it's about Dubai and the UAE - why can't you get that point!

And the thing that really bothers others is when you have pious individuals that deny these things exist or happen here, that's the point!

^^^ very valid. ^^^

We get the point, but when people like RobbieG sitting in their own country point fingers at others ... is strange as they could help their own country address these issues the sitting on the net the whole day and trying to point out others faullt. Talk about productive utilisation of time.

Chocoholic wrote:And.... no-one is saying that these things don't happen elsewhere, of course they do. Point is this forum is not about anywhere else, it's about Dubai and the UAE - why can't you get that point!

And the thing that really bothers others is when you have pious individuals that deny these things exist or happen here, that's the point!

thats not my point choc, like the others said, I just want to show how hypocrite he is when closing his eyes on their issues on foxing on ours. it simply means that he has no principles to being with ,no principles to preach others of human rights .his country makes it's income from things we all over the world consider illegal !! if he will show me his effort to his own country issues then I'll shut the hell up. but he is just like us accepting the reality that he can not change and worst defend his country of such doing by saying it is controlled. now that's denial dear.

I rest my case.

uaekid, don't get all excited. I get your point. RobbyG is odd and I can start a new thread about that. The point is in order to solve a problem you have to accept its exists. The attitude in the UAE is to deny anything thats negative. Nobody is perfect and we all have our own flaws. But by recognizing these flaws will only make us better. Just like we had no right to spread democracy around the world. The people woke up and voted the chimp out. I wish you guys would take more responsibility for what goes on. Even though I'm being laid off, I have no hard feelings. Yes, I may be a little bitter but thats just natural. I still thank Dubai for giving me the opportunity to expand my horizons.

yes k-dog I'll accept it from a guy who believes in the issue not a guy whom him and his country is practicing it legally !! no, it's just not right. Worst he does not admit it is wrong.

now for this denying issue you all cry about, what good is admitting the bad issues if everyones knows it already ? and the country is dealing with it . but you guys insisting that the country should put an effort for it's own bad publicity !! why do you think they should ? not unless you want the bad publicity for it period .

Chocoholic wrote:Typical reaction from a local to deflect the attention away from the UAE once again! We're not talking about Holland, this forum has nothing to do with Holland!

Absolutely true. My response was not necessary, but I'm happy to send them over.

Alot of data doesn't mean its bad. You simply have to understand the statistics behind it and the definitions that support them to get the ful picture.

My world ain't all roses here in Holland, everybody understands that. But it surely represents tulips in contrast with Dubai kind of human rights, which is what? A black widow!?

Cheers people

worldguy wrote:^^^ very valid. ^^^

We get the point, but when people like RobbieG sitting in their own country point fingers at others ... is strange as they could help their own country address these issues the sitting on the net the whole day and trying to point out others faullt. Talk about productive utilisation of time.

Trust me WG, It can be very enriching simply to read alot while developing a little businessmodel and looking for a job at the same time.

My knowledge and experience will not get lost by sitting behind a computer! Boy, I think I read and learned far more this year about the world than a typical 'working year'.

Maybe you have this eager for knowledge too some day. I do have that hunger I can tell you. According to K-Dog thats odd. Perhaps he's right. But I'm open to anyones opinion. Sorry if I sometimes protect the values I have and support, or that of others. Thats just who I am.

I'm human being also

By the way, you wanna know about me and my thought process Kid?

Here it is somewhat packaged in 8 minutes of Ron Paul. I'm not supportive of Republicans, I lean to democrate side of values and thoughts but this is actually the Best politician around in the US of A today.

This is the clear and consistent mind I would support. Finding True Values!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWfUGb9o ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmy_El23eJg&NR=1

Chocoholic wrote:Typical reaction from a local to deflect the attention away from the UAE once again! We're not talking about Holland, this forum has nothing to do with Holland!

dear choc, attack is the best form of defence.. you should know thats local will do anything to defend their country.. you should know that we agree with others opinion however we cant endure opinions from ppl who didnt see or lived in dubai or UAE..i have to agree with UAK kid and WG ..you should pay attention to ur country problems and face them ,not to point fingers to others and expect them not to point back at you..

naruto wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:Typical reaction from a local to deflect the attention away from the UAE once again! We're not talking about Holland, this forum has nothing to do with Holland!

dear choc, attack is the best form of defence.. you should know thats local will do anything to defend their country.. you should know that we agree with others opinion however we cant endure opinions from ppl who didnt see or lived in dubai or UAE..i have to agree with UAK kid and WG ..you should pay attention to ur country problems and face them ,not to point fingers to others and expect them not to point back at you..

Problems we have left over here, are people that think like you!
You got to find the root of them problems, not in ones own country but at the source

Rob,
I heard about very supportive welfare system in the Netherlands.
1) How long can someone go on dole after being redundant?
2) How much is the dole?

Red Chief wrote:Rob,
I heard about very supportive welfare system in the Netherlands.
1) How long can someone go on dole after being redundant?
2) How much is the dole?

To be honest, I got no idea. Never experienced it.

I quited myself, so I'm not entitled to any social benefits. I don't even want to be on the social payroll. It goes against my values.

Cheers

Have to agree with Naruto here. Although G speaks inteligently and makes some very valid points, but most of his arguments really don't hold much water when it comes to Dubai as he really has no "real" first hand Dubai experience. All of it second hand hearsay. And really has no "right" be a critic on Dubai.

Sorry G but thats the way it is.

desertdudeshj wrote:Have to agree with Naruto here. Although G speaks inteligently and makes some very valid points, but most of his arguments really don't hold much water when it comes to Dubai as he really has no "real" first hand Dubai experience. All of it second hand hearsay. And really has no "right" be a critic on Dubai.

Sorry G but thats the way it is.

I consider myself not a critic! I only have my (slightly negative) opinion on the human rights issue about the construction workers from Pakistan and India. But then I always support the weaker part of people in society. I do that here in Holland too.

Thats not criticism, that striving for equal rights perhaps. And I think we can all agree on the issues that surround Dubai with the cheap labourers, dont you agree?

With so many reports coming on the table, and a government now admitting work on the final dots, I think this is a good issue that can be spoken about on an even keel.

I find that more than normal in my society. Thats doesn't make me a critic on Dubai! That is opinion that differs from you perhaps. I have every right to speak Desertdude. And don't you ever think of taking that right away from me.

If the words aren't being heard, the fist goes on the table. And thats how it works. Respect is key.

Shoo ???? where did the labourers come into all of this ????

desertdudeshj wrote:Shoo ???? where did the labourers come into all of this ????

Well thats what my critic is aimed at. What do you mean then?

RobbyG wrote:

naruto wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:Typical reaction from a local to deflect the attention away from the UAE once again! We're not talking about Holland, this forum has nothing to do with Holland!

dear choc, attack is the best form of defence.. you should know thats local will do anything to defend their country.. you should know that we agree with others opinion however we cant endure opinions from ppl who didnt see or lived in dubai or UAE..i have to agree with UAK kid and WG ..you should pay attention to ur country problems and face them ,not to point fingers to others and expect them not to point back at you..

Problems we have left over here, are people that think like you!
You got to find the root of them problems, not in ones own country but at the source

haa... well for the so called ( cheap labor ) the source of the problem was in their own country, like all the expats here, all of them signed a contract before they stepped a foot here. not that the contract is any good but robbyG as a business man you should know a contract is an agreement that has condtions both parties agreed up on. what do you wish the country to do ? as there are human rights there are laws too, right ? the country has to respect that other wise foreign companies wont feel comfortable if the country interferes in its contracts. it's more of a legal issue than as you accuse the country a human right issue.

even if you set a minimum wage ,the greedy companies will find ways to deduct housing ,food and transportation deductions from them and every thing goes back to that cheap monthly salary. those ppl needs a job so badly that they'll sign any contract without reading it, what to do ?. and I like to point out that the Philippine has fixed this problem by giving their workers classes of some kind to teach them all they need to know about this issue.

the other problems were solved when they got out of hand like for example:

1-working in the heat : they passed a law to force companies to take a break at noon time when the heat is at is peak.

2- the crowded housing : they passed a law not to renew or issue construction companies permits unless those companies show an acceptable housing for its workers.

3- salaries must be paid throw banks... holding a labor passport is not legal now and so on ....

but sadly robbyG you passed your judgments with out knowing all the above bcz you had no source or out dated one to pass your judgment on, you didn't even ask what are the currents laws !!!!!!!!!!!! do you know them robbyG or you just depend on forums threads ?


robbyG, the country population consist of 80% foreigners from all over the world ! can you find a country that has this figure? if it's as bad as everyone is saying why do you think most of them stays here with their families for at least 10-15 years ?

you are looking at issues from a tiny window robbyG

uaekid wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

naruto wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:Typical reaction from a local to deflect the attention away from the UAE once again! We're not talking about Holland, this forum has nothing to do with Holland!

dear choc, attack is the best form of defence.. you should know thats local will do anything to defend their country.. you should know that we agree with others opinion however we cant endure opinions from ppl who didnt see or lived in dubai or UAE..i have to agree with UAK kid and WG ..you should pay attention to ur country problems and face them ,not to point fingers to others and expect them not to point back at you..

Problems we have left over here, are people that think like you!
You got to find the root of them problems, not in ones own country but at the source

haa... well for the so called ( cheap labor ) the source of the problem was in their own country, like all the expats here, all of them signed a contract before they stepped a foot here. not that the contract is any good but robbyG as a business man you should know a contract is an agreement that has condtions both parties agreed up on. what do you wish the country to do ? as there are human rights there are laws too, right ? the country has to respect that other wise foreign companies wont feel comfortable if the country interferes in its contracts. it's more of a legal issue than as you accuse the country a human right issue.

even if you set a minimum wage ,the greedy companies will find ways to deduct housing ,food and transportation deductions from them and every thing goes back to that cheap monthly salary. those ppl needs a job so badly that they'll sign any contract without reading it, what to do ?. and I like to point out that the Philippine has fixed this problem by giving their workers classes of some kind to teach them all they need to know about this issue.

the other problems were solved when they got out of hand like for example:

1-working in the heat : they passed a law to force companies to take a break at noon time when the heat is at is peak.

2- the crowded housing : they passed a law not to renew or issue construction companies permits unless those companies show an acceptable housing for its workers.

3- salaries must be paid throw banks... holding a labor passport is not legal now and so on ....

but sadly robbyG you passed your judgments with out knowing all the above bcz you had no source or out dated one to pass your judgment on, you didn't even ask what are the currents laws !!!!!!!!!!!! do you know them robbyG or you just depend on forums threads ?


robbyG, the country population consist of 80% foreigners from all over the world ! can you find a country that has this figure? if it's as bad as everyone is saying why do you think most of them stays here with their families for at least 10-15 years ?

you are looking at issues from a tiny window robbyG

A little bit of a blinkered reply don't you think kid?, whilst many laws have been passed the enforcement of the laws is another issue.

and I guess your reply is a bit blinkered reply too. show me what are you talking about. or what part of reply is .

3- salaries must be paid throw banks... holding a labor passport is not legal now and so on ....

For instance this is simply not being followed or enforced

uaekid wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

naruto wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:Typical reaction from a local to deflect the attention away from the UAE once again! We're not talking about Holland, this forum has nothing to do with Holland!

dear choc, attack is the best form of defence.. you should know thats local will do anything to defend their country.. you should know that we agree with others opinion however we cant endure opinions from ppl who didnt see or lived in dubai or UAE..i have to agree with UAK kid and WG ..you should pay attention to ur country problems and face them ,not to point fingers to others and expect them not to point back at you..

Problems we have left over here, are people that think like you!
You got to find the root of them problems, not in ones own country but at the source

haa... well for the so called ( cheap labor ) the source of the problem was in their own country, like all the expats here, all of them signed a contract before they stepped a foot here. not that the contract is any good but robbyG as a business man you should know a contract is an agreement that has condtions both parties agreed up on. what do you wish the country to do ? as there are human rights there are laws too, right ? the country has to respect that other wise foreign companies wont feel comfortable if the country interferes in its contracts. it's more of a legal issue than as you accuse the country a human right issue.

even if you set a minimum wage ,the greedy companies will find ways to deduct housing ,food and transportation deductions from them and every thing goes back to that cheap monthly salary. those ppl needs a job so badly that they'll sign any contract without reading it, what to do ?. and I like to point out that the Philippine has fixed this problem by giving their workers classes of some kind to teach them all they need to know about this issue.

the other problems were solved when they got out of hand like for example:

1-working in the heat : they passed a law to force companies to take a break at noon time when the heat is at is peak.

2- the crowded housing : they passed a law not to renew or issue construction companies permits unless those companies show an acceptable housing for its workers.

3- salaries must be paid throw banks... holding a labor passport is not legal now and so on ....

but sadly robbyG you passed your judgments with out knowing all the above bcz you had no source or out dated one to pass your judgment on, you didn't even ask what are the currents laws !!!!!!!!!!!! do you know them robbyG or you just depend on forums threads ?


robbyG, the country population consist of 80% foreigners from all over the world ! can you find a country that has this figure? if it's as bad as everyone is saying why do you think most of them stays here with their families for at least 10-15 years ?

you are looking at issues from a tiny window robbyG

intersting and well said kid...

PPl should know that UAE is still young compare to westren country ..ppl learn from their mistakes and by experinces we can develop new laws and import them to the system , some of these laws are even new to me so how suprising it will be for strangers.

RG you said that you speak as a Human rights activist and im cool with it , but dont you think that its better for you to start your activities in ur homland , they need you more than we do ..if i have problem in my hous or with my marrige i will not start by solving other ppl issues and leave mine as they dont exsist, also dont expect others to except your help unless they came to you ..and we did not do that .

naruto wrote:

uaekid wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

naruto wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:Typical reaction from a local to deflect the attention away from the UAE once again! We're not talking about Holland, this forum has nothing to do with Holland!

dear choc, attack is the best form of defence.. you should know thats local will do anything to defend their country.. you should know that we agree with others opinion however we cant endure opinions from ppl who didnt see or lived in dubai or UAE..i have to agree with UAK kid and WG ..you should pay attention to ur country problems and face them ,not to point fingers to others and expect them not to point back at you..

Problems we have left over here, are people that think like you!
You got to find the root of them problems, not in ones own country but at the source

haa... well for the so called ( cheap labor ) the source of the problem was in their own country, like all the expats here, all of them signed a contract before they stepped a foot here. not that the contract is any good but robbyG as a business man you should know a contract is an agreement that has condtions both parties agreed up on. what do you wish the country to do ? as there are human rights there are laws too, right ? the country has to respect that other wise foreign companies wont feel comfortable if the country interferes in its contracts. it's more of a legal issue than as you accuse the country a human right issue.

even if you set a minimum wage ,the greedy companies will find ways to deduct housing ,food and transportation deductions from them and every thing goes back to that cheap monthly salary. those ppl needs a job so badly that they'll sign any contract without reading it, what to do ?. and I like to point out that the Philippine has fixed this problem by giving their workers classes of some kind to teach them all they need to know about this issue.

the other problems were solved when they got out of hand like for example:

1-working in the heat : they passed a law to force companies to take a break at noon time when the heat is at is peak.

2- the crowded housing : they passed a law not to renew or issue construction companies permits unless those companies show an acceptable housing for its workers.

3- salaries must be paid throw banks... holding a labor passport is not legal now and so on ....

but sadly robbyG you passed your judgments with out knowing all the above bcz you had no source or out dated one to pass your judgment on, you didn't even ask what are the currents laws !!!!!!!!!!!! do you know them robbyG or you just depend on forums threads ?


robbyG, the country population consist of 80% foreigners from all over the world ! can you find a country that has this figure? if it's as bad as everyone is saying why do you think most of them stays here with their families for at least 10-15 years ?

you are looking at issues from a tiny window robbyG

intersting and well said kid...

PPl should know that UAE is still young compare to westren country ..ppl learn from their mistakes and by experinces we can develop new laws and import them to the system , some of these laws are even new to me so how suprising it will be for strangers.

RG you said that you speak as a Human rights activist and im cool with it , but dont you think that its better for you to start your activities in ur homland , they need you more than we do ..if i have problem in my hous or with my marrige i will not start by solving other ppl issues and leave mine as they dont exsist, also dont expect others to except your help unless they came to you ..and we did not do that .

The assumption level on this forum is just enormous.

I am no human rights activist! I just support the weaker part of society in my direct influence like in a discussion or when I walk next to people being bashed on the streets! I don't look for that support. No activist here.

As for businessman. I wish I was, but I'm not a businessman!? Where did you get that from Kid. Again you should all be a little less presumptive and ask instead of pondering about things you haven't really studied on.

Its no fingerpointing of mine. I'm continuously looking for information regarding the UAE and I think I know my share. I'll be prepared for the culture clash when I arrive in Dubai. Other then that, its simply my understanding of things. I just blend in like water when I get there eventually.

You won't even notice me

there are 80% expats because they're not giving citizenship for hardly anyone over here.

they will when the value of the oil starts to drop and they will need expat money to run the show. Otherwise the rich emiratis will just move to Europe or US and leave the rest behind.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

Currently the government is sharing their wealth with locals by making them come to work rather than sit at home.