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worldguy wrote:they will when the value of the oil starts to drop and they will need expat money to run the show. Otherwise the rich emiratis will just move to Europe or US and leave the rest behind.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

Currently the government is sharing their wealth with locals by making them come to work rather than sit at home.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

yes yes and yes but what they are doing now is sending the upoard local students toUS,UK and Aus to study those fields, an approximate of 100 locals graduate a year, small number but it is a start. and no more business studies.


Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

disagree here, locals worked in or started working in privet business but the pay is just not enough. 5000-8000 just won't do it

RobbyG wrote:

desertdudeshj wrote:Have to agree with Naruto here. Although G speaks inteligently and makes some very valid points, but most of his arguments really don't hold much water when it comes to Dubai as he really has no "real" first hand Dubai experience. All of it second hand hearsay. And really has no "right" be a critic on Dubai.

Sorry G but thats the way it is.

I consider myself not a critic! I only have my (slightly negative) opinion on the human rights issue about the construction workers from Pakistan and India. But then I always support the weaker part of people in society. I do that here in Holland too.

Thats not criticism, that striving for equal rights perhaps. And I think we can all agree on the issues that surround Dubai with the cheap labourers, dont you agree?

With so many reports coming on the table, and a government now admitting work on the final dots, I think this is a good issue that can be spoken about on an even keel.

I find that more than normal in my society. Thats doesn't make me a critic on Dubai! That is opinion that differs from you perhaps. I have every right to speak Desertdude. And don't you ever think of taking that right away from me.

If the words aren't being heard, the fist goes on the table. And thats how it works. Respect is key.

we are correcting you robbyG thats all. you seem to have an outdated info here thats all, and you can keep your rights for your self. your opinion is more like a used toilet paper. no ones cares for wrong information robbyG. but if it's matter of sucking up to others here then thats a diff issue but I'm just doing you a favor not to embarrass your self in front of an actual intelligent audience.

and I'm still waiting for your respond to my last post. you seem speechless for ones, need help typing ?

sage & onion wrote:

3- salaries must be paid throw banks... holding a labor passport is not legal now and so on ....

For instance this is simply not being followed or enforced

they just passed this law sage and you are talking 5000,000 salaries transactions here be realistic and give our poor performance labor office time to do 100%

uaekid wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

desertdudeshj wrote:Have to agree with Naruto here. Although G speaks inteligently and makes some very valid points, but most of his arguments really don't hold much water when it comes to Dubai as he really has no "real" first hand Dubai experience. All of it second hand hearsay. And really has no "right" be a critic on Dubai.

Sorry G but thats the way it is.

I consider myself not a critic! I only have my (slightly negative) opinion on the human rights issue about the construction workers from Pakistan and India. But then I always support the weaker part of people in society. I do that here in Holland too.

Thats not criticism, that striving for equal rights perhaps. And I think we can all agree on the issues that surround Dubai with the cheap labourers, dont you agree?

With so many reports coming on the table, and a government now admitting work on the final dots, I think this is a good issue that can be spoken about on an even keel.

I find that more than normal in my society. Thats doesn't make me a critic on Dubai! That is opinion that differs from you perhaps. I have every right to speak Desertdude. And don't you ever think of taking that right away from me.

If the words aren't being heard, the fist goes on the table. And thats how it works. Respect is key.

we are correcting you robbyG thats all. you seem to have an outdated info here thats all, and you can keep your rights for your self. your opinion is more like a used toilet paper. no ones cares for wrong information robbyG. but if it's matter of sucking up to others here then thats a diff issue but I'm just doing you a favor not to embarrass your self in front of an actual intelligent audience.

and I'm still waiting for your respond to my last post. you seem speechless for ones, need help typing ?

The intelligent on DF (as you like to call it) are not correcting me. The biased ones are. You, for instance.

How can you expect a proper discussion if I "only look out my tiny window" for instance. I think that says enough about your respect to me or my likes.

You go play with your mindset, then I will response on the likes of mine. You are not really 'intelligent' in my perspective. You should work on your approach first I would say.

Its your reputation that speaks for itself, not the words coming out of your mouth. Might consider working on that one also...

Just 2 'intelligent' tips.

to further correct you it's just 5 or 6 members who got those wrong info out of the 100's of members here, haven't you noticed ? but hey if are running away from responding to my last post where I approved you were wrong and outdated and just settled for the above reply then yes I should wipe my ass with it. you are weak when proven wrong. Just like choc and her girlfriend. .

bye for now

uaekid wrote:to further correct you it's just 5 or 6 members who got those wrong info out of the 100's of members here, haven't you noticed ? but hey if are running away from responding to my last post where I approved you were wrong and outdated and just settled for the above reply then yes I should wipe my a#s with it. you are weak when proven wrong. Just like choc and her girlfriend. .

bye for now

Right. Dream on Kid.

uaekid wrote:disagree here, locals worked in or started working in privet business but the pay is just not enough. 5000-8000 just won't do it

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but why not ! The Majority of Emaratis do not pay rent. Pay half the rate of electricity and water, health care is free etc etc Basically you have the least amount of expenditure and then you want a huge package + all the benfits for the below average pencil pushing skills.

If you are qualified and have specialised skills then you can demand a highend package. The average emarati has pushed himself so far into the lazy, good for nothing, rude and arogant stereotype that no one wants to touch them with ten foot pole when it comes hiring in the private sector and the few qualified ones also suffer due to this, call it reverse racsim if you will.

You will have to agree though most demand a salary which is way beyond than what they can bring to the table. Turn the tables around for a minute. You run a succesfull bussiness, will you hire anyone regardless of nationality who has very basic skills and is a know lousy employee and demands a salalry which equals to some of your highly skilled and experienced staff. When knowing very well you can get a highly qualified with a know good record demanding 1/3 rd or less of that salary ?

I know properly educated hard working very smart Emaratis working in the private to semi private sectors who are getting paid a little more for their position because they are emaratis but that is acceptable. But the point is you will be hired and get what your worth. Just being an emarati is not qualification enough although many might think so.

If the tables were turned and god forbid there were tough times on this country do you think majority of the Emarati population could migrate to other countries of the world and get similar paying employement that they enjoy here. Would you call yourself a attractive potential employee in the world labour market ? Could you realistically today move to another country outside the gulf and get what you think you deserve ?

It was the great vision of the late rulers like H.H Shk Zayed and H.H Shk Rashid that they made this country a heaven for its people and put policies into effect that their people would never have to see the tough times they saw in their early lives. But instead of taking full advantage of those and making yourselves into the most highly educated and highly competitive nation with the most potential on this planet. The majority have turned into what we see today.

Sorry UAE kid statements like 4 to 6k won't cut it just don't gel any more.

desertdudeshj wrote:

uaekid wrote:disagree here, locals worked in or started working in privet business but the pay is just not enough. 5000-8000 just won't do it

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but why not ! The Majority of Emaratis do not pay rent. Pay half the rate of electricity and water, health care is free etc etc Basically you have the least amount of expenditure and then you want a huge package + all the benfits for the below average pencil pushing skills.

If you are qualified and have specialised skills then you can demand a highend package. The average emarati has pushed himself so far into the lazy, good for nothing, rude and arogant stereotype that no one wants to touch them with ten foot pole when it comes hiring in the private sector and the few qualified ones also suffer due to this, call it reverse racsim if you will.

You will have to agree though most demand a salary which is way beyond than what they can bring to the table. Turn the tables around for a minute. You run a succesfull bussiness, will you hire anyone regardless of nationality who has very basic skills and is a know lousy employee and demands a salalry which equals to some of your highly skilled and experienced staff. When knowing very well you can get a highly qualified with a know good record demanding 1/3 rd or less of that salary ?

I know properly educated hard working very smart Emaratis working in the private to semi private sectors who are getting paid a little more for their position because they are emaratis but that is acceptable. But the point is you will be hired and get what your worth. Just being an emarati is not qualification enough although many might think so.

If the tables were turned and god forbid there were tough times on this country do you think majority of the Emarati population could migrate to other countries of the world and get similar paying employement that they enjoy here. Would you call yourself a attractive potential employee in the world labour market ? Could you realistically today move to another country outside the gulf and get what you think you deserve ?

It was the great vision of the late rulers like H.H Shk Zayed and H.H Shk Rashid that they made this country a heaven for its people and put policies into effect that their people would never have to see the tough times they saw in their early lives. But instead of taking full advantage of those and making yourselves into the most highly educated and highly competitive nation with the most potential on this planet. The majority have turned into what we see today.

Sorry UAE kid statements like 4 to 6k won't cut it just don't gel any more.

Kid is crazy by saying 8000 dirhams tax free isn't enough. Majority of people in Holland earn that as a salary AND pay 30 percent taxes of it. Then comes the 1,60 petrol per liter etc. etc.

The guys is NUTS and lives in a dreamworld

uaekid wrote:

worldguy wrote:they will when the value of the oil starts to drop and they will need expat money to run the show. Otherwise the rich emiratis will just move to Europe or US and leave the rest behind.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

Currently the government is sharing their wealth with locals by making them come to work rather than sit at home.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

yes yes and yes but what they are doing now is sending the upoard local students toUS,UK and Aus to study those fields, an approximate of 100 locals graduate a year, small number but it is a start. and no more business studies.


Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

disagree here, locals worked in or started working in privet business but the pay is just not enough. 5000-8000 just won't do it

If locals were integrated into the private sector and entered it like anyone else then I would say fine. Instead Dubai has quotas forcing people to hire locals. This is in spite of the fact that all ethics of HR and recruiting used all over the world should not discriminate by race, gender, religion, etc. Besides if 5000-8000 just "won't do it" for locals, why are there people here still being paid 700 dhs per month?
I defend Dubai when defence is due and I have had my share of arguments with ppl on this forum who will attest to that but you can't call a pineapple a hedgehog and expect people to respect your opinion. Defending your country is one thing but denying its biggest faults even exist is plain hypocrisy that only sets your country backwards.

dee7o wrote:

uaekid wrote:

worldguy wrote:they will when the value of the oil starts to drop and they will need expat money to run the show. Otherwise the rich emiratis will just move to Europe or US and leave the rest behind.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

Currently the government is sharing their wealth with locals by making them come to work rather than sit at home.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

yes yes and yes but what they are doing now is sending the upoard local students toUS,UK and Aus to study those fields, an approximate of 100 locals graduate a year, small number but it is a start. and no more business studies.


Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

disagree here, locals worked in or started working in privet business but the pay is just not enough. 5000-8000 just won't do it

If locals were integrated into the private sector and entered it like anyone else then I would say fine. Instead Dubai has quotas forcing people to hire locals. This is in spite of the fact that all ethics of HR and recruiting used all over the world should not discriminate by race, gender, religion, etc. Besides if 5000-8000 just "won't do it" for locals, why are there people here still being paid 700 dhs per month?
I defend Dubai when defence is due and I have had my share of arguments with ppl on this forum who will attest to that but you can't call a pineapple a hedgehog and expect people to respect your opinion. Defending your country is one thing but denying its biggest faults even exist is plain hypocrisy that only sets your country backwards.

Thats the only reason I put out my arguments here. Just to point out the vast differences in 'fantasy view' some of us have. And trust me, it aint the Western world that is ful of them, I can tell you that.

^^^for once, you hit the nail without going in circles.^^^

desertdudeshj - great post.

desertdudeshj wrote:

uaekid wrote:disagree here, locals worked in or started working in privet business but the pay is just not enough. 5000-8000 just won't do it

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but why not ! The Majority of Emaratis do not pay rent. Pay half the rate of electricity and water, health care is free etc etc Basically you have the least amount of expenditure and then you want a huge package + all the benfits for the below average pencil pushing skills.

If you are qualified and have specialised skills then you can demand a highend package. The average emarati has pushed himself so far into the lazy, good for nothing, rude and arogant stereotype that no one wants to touch them with ten foot pole when it comes hiring in the private sector and the few qualified ones also suffer due to this, call it reverse racsim if you will.

You will have to agree though most demand a salary which is way beyond than what they can bring to the table. Turn the tables around for a minute. You run a succesfull bussiness, will you hire anyone regardless of nationality who has very basic skills and is a know lousy employee and demands a salalry which equals to some of your highly skilled and experienced staff. When knowing very well you can get a highly qualified with a know good record demanding 1/3 rd or less of that salary ?

I know properly educated hard working very smart Emaratis working in the private to semi private sectors who are getting paid a little more for their position because they are emaratis but that is acceptable. But the point is you will be hired and get what your worth. Just being an emarati is not qualification enough although many might think so.

If the tables were turned and god forbid there were tough times on this country do you think majority of the Emarati population could migrate to other countries of the world and get similar paying employement that they enjoy here. Would you call yourself a attractive potential employee in the world labour market ? Could you realistically today move to another country outside the gulf and get what you think you deserve ?

It was the great vision of the late rulers like H.H Shk Zayed and H.H Shk Rashid that they made this country a heaven for its people and put policies into effect that their people would never have to see the tough times they saw in their early lives. But instead of taking full advantage of those and making yourselves into the most highly educated and highly competitive nation with the most potential on this planet. The majority have turned into what we see today.

Sorry UAE kid statements like 4 to 6k won't cut it just don't gel any more.

Well said, especially if it were reverse and they wanted to expand their experience outside of the UAE.

Two sayings I hate:

Locals: I'm local. (Said when they think it's an entitlement due them)
Expats: Do you know who I am? (So many of them seem to forget who they are and have to ask)

RobbyG wrote:Kid is crazy by saying 8000 dirhams tax free isn't enough. Majority of people in Holland earn that as a salary AND pay 30 percent taxes of it. Then comes the 1,60 petrol per liter etc. etc.

The guys is NUTS and lives in a dreamworld

A few notes:

I think when UAE kid says 5k-8k will just not do it, he does not mean to live. He means it is not enticing enough to stimulate the majority of the local population to enter into the private sector.

Secondly,
Dubai is a relatively new place. It has not had the benefits of first class education systems until recent times (arguably not even now). It will take a few generations until the education system trickles down and the youth of today who are getting educated will see the youth of tomorrow follow the same path.. and so on and so on...
Eventually most local's will be fully educated (in one way or another) and be experts in various professions. I think that is a part of the dream and vision of the Ruling Sheik Mo.

Since the growth is relatively new, it is important to put into place certain systems to ensure prosperity for the future generations of the local population. I.e. quota's for hiring locals, etc. etc. Many of them are not qualified to do the work now; but that will not be forever. Look at it this way, it can be argued that the older arab population did not have the freedom to go to top notch schools etc. Therefore they are at a bit of a disadvantage compared to most expats who come from other well established countries. (Lets not get into specifics like expats lying about credentials, or take my statements as an insinuation that Arabs are dumb).
I'm willing to bet that a lot of companies would stray away from hiring locals if it were not for the law. It would be pretty sad to see Dubai filled with expats and no working locals. Not everyone works to live...

My perspective on how the system and Dubai itself works has taken a 180 turn in the last few months. I took a step back and looked at the bigger picture, and suddenly a lot of things started to make sense; whether I liked it or not.

Having said all of that, there are still a lot of things I disagree with. The most publicized is treatment of labourers and lack of free press. But I can understand why these things happen.

Just imagine if Robby was the newspaper journalist. LOL
Just kiddin Rob.

oh god not again with the locals lazy and unqualified story again !! I believe 80% of the jobs here consists of administration and finance, give me a break ppl ,you are not exactly rocket scientists here. not to mention the mass numbers of fack degrees most of expats brings to the country. trust me if companies here do a back ground check on most of you and their CVs, you wont be working here neither. I got ton's of stories if you wana hear them.

I understand some ppl defense toward the working locals and them starting to be a threat in taking over expat jobs, everyone is trying to survive after all, right?

and in regard of the salary issue, you simply can not tell anyone how much is enough for him, it is a personal choice and goal, aren't all of you here to upgrade yours ???

private companies don't want the locals as their employees simply bcz they prefer to 3000-4000 for an expat that a local with 15,000 and above to simply make more profit. it is a problem that those companies are using most of the expats as a cheap labor not bcz they are experts, face it ppl.

but if the UAE will take an action regarding this issue like what KSA just did in hiring locals in privet businesses and the GOV is paying the the rest of the salary for the giving job, I'm sure I'll see many of you leaving.

I seriously see locals more suitable for the jobs here than the expats, graduated from better schools,speaks arabic and english, less corrupted and may I add most of them are respectful to expats that an expat to another. for some reason you are more aggressive to each other than as you clam us to expats !!.


lets take an example Banks runs mostly by locals , is there are any problems in banks ? they are running perfectly ,don't you think ? expats in banks are mostly telemarketing and speaks a poor English even worst than me LOL

and look at the3 biggest investments companies in AD and probably top 10 world wide is also runs by 90% locals ,those companies if you don't know made a big diff in stabilizing the recession impact and in the UK.

AD government within 5 years is to be one of the best 5 governments in the world with 100% local labors and they have reached 60% of this goal but yes by the on going further academic specialized education other than their degrees.

yes some locals needs to improve their skills , the market needs diff kind of it and needs to varietals their degrees fields in order to keep up with the diff market changes, but don't you dare call them lazy or not up to the jobs here, they have proved to be better than expats . .


and most of you really need to do the same ,make sometime to improve yourselves instead of crying on forum threads of why and how you lost your jobs and got sacked

dee7o wrote:

uaekid wrote:

worldguy wrote:they will when the value of the oil starts to drop and they will need expat money to run the show. Otherwise the rich emiratis will just move to Europe or US and leave the rest behind.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

Currently the government is sharing their wealth with locals by making them come to work rather than sit at home.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

yes yes and yes but what they are doing now is sending the upoard local students toUS,UK and Aus to study those fields, an approximate of 100 locals graduate a year, small number but it is a start. and no more business studies.


Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

disagree here, locals worked in or started working in privet business but the pay is just not enough. 5000-8000 just won't do it

If locals were integrated into the private sector and entered it like anyone else then I would say fine. Instead Dubai has quotas forcing people to hire locals. This is in spite of the fact that all ethics of HR and recruiting used all over the world should not discriminate by race, gender, religion, etc. Besides if 5000-8000 just "won't do it" for locals, why are there people here still being paid 700 dhs per month?
I defend Dubai when defence is due and I have had my share of arguments with ppl on this forum who will attest to that but you can't call a pineapple a hedgehog and expect people to respect your opinion. Defending your country is one thing but denying its biggest faults even exist is plain hypocrisy that only sets your country backwards.

woow hold on ..
who said that locals are denying the GOV. faults ..the thing is we dont like it when some1 who didnt live in the country to come and point fingers on us about ..you know the term mind you own business..
im not refering to expact who live here ..im refering to so called RObby G..and yes i agree with the GOV. when they enforced the privet company to hire local , can u beleive that more than 50,000 locals are unemployed here in the land of opportinities , in the land where ppl with no education can become specialist in mejor fileds, the problem is with the privet company they give hight salary to some nationalities and they want to give locals less than them, plus they are hiring indians like locals do not exisit anymore..explain to me why we have a high rate on unemployment akthough we bring expact to work in our country..

^ Uaekid

Judging from the first sentence of your post, you obviously did not read mine in its entirety.

Lets not get into specifics like expats lying about credentials, or take my statements as an insinuation that Arabs are dumb

uaekid wrote:oh god not again with the locals lazy and unqualified story again !! I believe 80% of the jobs here consists of administration and finance, give me a break ppl ,you are not exactly rocket scientists here. not to mention the mass numbers of fack degrees most of expats brings to the country. trust me if companies here do a back ground check on most of you and their CVs, you wont be working here neither. I got ton's of stories if you wana hear them.

I understand some ppl defense toward the working locals and them starting to be a threat in taking over expat jobs, everyone is trying to survive after all, right?

and in regard of the salary issue, you simply can not tell anyone how much is enough for him, it is a personal choice and goal, aren't all of you here to upgrade yours ???

private companies don't want the locals as their employees simply bcz they prefer to 3000-4000 for an expat that a local with 15,000 and above to simply make more profit. it is a problem that those companies are using most of the expats as a cheap labor not bcz they are experts, face it ppl.

but if the UAE will take an action regarding this issue like what KSA just did in hiring locals in privet businesses and the GOV is paying the the rest of the salary for the giving job, I'm sure I'll see many of you leaving.

I seriously see locals more suitable for the jobs here than the expats, graduated from better schools,speaks arabic and english, less corrupted and may I add most of them are respectful to expats that an expat to another. for some reason you are more aggressive to each other than as you clam us to expats !!.


lets take an example Banks runs mostly by locals , is there are any problems in banks ? they are running perfectly ,don't you think ? expats in banks are mostly telemarketing and speaks a poor English even worst than me LOL

and look at the3 biggest investments companies in AD and probably top 10 world wide is also runs by 90% locals ,those companies if you don't know made a big diff in stabilizing the recession impact and in the UK.

AD government within 5 years is to be one of the best 5 governments in the world with 100% local labors and they have reached 60% of this goal but yes by the on going further academic specialized education other than their degrees.

yes some locals needs to improve their skills , the market needs diff kind of it and needs to varietals their degrees fields in order to keep up with the diff market changes, but don't you dare call them lazy or not up to the jobs here, they have proved to be better than expats . .


and most of you really need to do the same ,make sometime to improve yourselves instead of crying on forum threads of why and how you lost your jobs and got sacked

This is exactly what I wanted to say. In Europe, if you want to apply for a visa,you must succeed in several tests and undergoing a lot of procedures that identify the State in which those who to give the residence. For example, in France you must master the French language in order to get the visa, thats why we do not see a lot of Indians living there, and do not forget that France had expelled many of the migrants, especially the Arabs simply beacuz they are taking over most opf the jobs there therefor reducing employment opportunities, and this thing is happening here.

naruto wrote:

uaekid wrote:oh god not again with the locals lazy and unqualified story again !! I believe 80% of the jobs here consists of administration and finance, give me a break ppl ,you are not exactly rocket scientists here. not to mention the mass numbers of fack degrees most of expats brings to the country. trust me if companies here do a back ground check on most of you and their CVs, you wont be working here neither. I got ton's of stories if you wana hear them.

I understand some ppl defense toward the working locals and them starting to be a threat in taking over expat jobs, everyone is trying to survive after all, right?

and in regard of the salary issue, you simply can not tell anyone how much is enough for him, it is a personal choice and goal, aren't all of you here to upgrade yours ???

private companies don't want the locals as their employees simply bcz they prefer to 3000-4000 for an expat that a local with 15,000 and above to simply make more profit. it is a problem that those companies are using most of the expats as a cheap labor not bcz they are experts, face it ppl.

but if the UAE will take an action regarding this issue like what KSA just did in hiring locals in privet businesses and the GOV is paying the the rest of the salary for the giving job, I'm sure I'll see many of you leaving.

I seriously see locals more suitable for the jobs here than the expats, graduated from better schools,speaks arabic and english, less corrupted and may I add most of them are respectful to expats that an expat to another. for some reason you are more aggressive to each other than as you clam us to expats !!.


lets take an example Banks runs mostly by locals , is there are any problems in banks ? they are running perfectly ,don't you think ? expats in banks are mostly telemarketing and speaks a poor English even worst than me LOL

and look at the3 biggest investments companies in AD and probably top 10 world wide is also runs by 90% locals ,those companies if you don't know made a big diff in stabilizing the recession impact and in the UK.

AD government within 5 years is to be one of the best 5 governments in the world with 100% local labors and they have reached 60% of this goal but yes by the on going further academic specialized education other than their degrees.

yes some locals needs to improve their skills , the market needs diff kind of it and needs to varietals their degrees fields in order to keep up with the diff market changes, but don't you dare call them lazy or not up to the jobs here, they have proved to be better than expats . .


and most of you really need to do the same ,make sometime to improve yourselves instead of crying on forum threads of why and how you lost your jobs and got sacked

This is exactly what I wanted to say. In Europe, if you want to apply for a visa,you must succeed in several tests and undergoing a lot of procedures that identify the State in which those who to give the residence. For example, in France you must master the French language in order to get the visa, thats why we do not see a lot of Indians living there, and do not forget that France had expelled many of the migrants, especially the Arabs simply beacuz they are taking over most opf the jobs there therefor reducing employment opportunities, and this thing is happening here.

Between the two of you nothing you both say makes sense.

Bora Bora wrote:

naruto wrote:

uaekid wrote:oh god not again with the locals lazy and unqualified story again !! I believe 80% of the jobs here consists of administration and finance, give me a break ppl ,you are not exactly rocket scientists here. not to mention the mass numbers of fack degrees most of expats brings to the country. trust me if companies here do a back ground check on most of you and their CVs, you wont be working here neither. I got ton's of stories if you wana hear them.

I understand some ppl defense toward the working locals and them starting to be a threat in taking over expat jobs, everyone is trying to survive after all, right?

and in regard of the salary issue, you simply can not tell anyone how much is enough for him, it is a personal choice and goal, aren't all of you here to upgrade yours ???

private companies don't want the locals as their employees simply bcz they prefer to 3000-4000 for an expat that a local with 15,000 and above to simply make more profit. it is a problem that those companies are using most of the expats as a cheap labor not bcz they are experts, face it ppl.

but if the UAE will take an action regarding this issue like what KSA just did in hiring locals in privet businesses and the GOV is paying the the rest of the salary for the giving job, I'm sure I'll see many of you leaving.

I seriously see locals more suitable for the jobs here than the expats, graduated from better schools,speaks arabic and english, less corrupted and may I add most of them are respectful to expats that an expat to another. for some reason you are more aggressive to each other than as you clam us to expats !!.


lets take an example Banks runs mostly by locals , is there are any problems in banks ? they are running perfectly ,don't you think ? expats in banks are mostly telemarketing and speaks a poor English even worst than me LOL

and look at the3 biggest investments companies in AD and probably top 10 world wide is also runs by 90% locals ,those companies if you don't know made a big diff in stabilizing the recession impact and in the UK.

AD government within 5 years is to be one of the best 5 governments in the world with 100% local labors and they have reached 60% of this goal but yes by the on going further academic specialized education other than their degrees.

yes some locals needs to improve their skills , the market needs diff kind of it and needs to varietals their degrees fields in order to keep up with the diff market changes, but don't you dare call them lazy or not up to the jobs here, they have proved to be better than expats . .


and most of you really need to do the same ,make sometime to improve yourselves instead of crying on forum threads of why and how you lost your jobs and got sacked

This is exactly what I wanted to say. In Europe, if you want to apply for a visa,you must succeed in several tests and undergoing a lot of procedures that identify the State in which those who to give the residence. For example, in France you must master the French language in order to get the visa, thats why we do not see a lot of Indians living there, and do not forget that France had expelled many of the migrants, especially the Arabs simply beacuz they are taking over most opf the jobs there therefor reducing employment opportunities, and this thing is happening here.

Between the two of you nothing you both say makes sense.

and the reason is???

The both of you seem to always lose the plot and wander off somewhere that only the two of you know about.

What are you talking about regarding the French visa? Or were you talking about the requirements to obtain the passport? If you are an expat and work in France speaking French is not a requirement nor do you have to go through a battery of tests or procedures. Nor do you need the speak French to get a travel visa and again no tests are required; procedures are submitting documentation requesting a visa.

And are you saying that the UAE should expel expats because "they are taking over the jobs"? I am sure you are aware of the fact that there are more jobs than locals in Dubai, so expats are needed.

I am not going to continue to point out the obvious to you.

Bora Bora wrote:The both of you seem to always lose the plot and wander off somewhere that only the two of you know about.

What are you talking about regarding the French visa? Or were you talking about the requirements to obtain the passport? If you are an expat and work in France speaking French is not a requirement nor do you have to go through a battery of tests or procedures. Nor do you need the speak French to get a travel visa and again no tests are required; procedures are submitting documentation requesting a visa.

And are you saying that the UAE should expel expats because "they are taking over the jobs"? I am sure you are aware of the fact that there are more jobs than locals in Dubai, so expats are needed.

I am not going to continue to point out the obvious to you.

umm I thought there were judging the locals abilities in privet businesses so I responded to that !

naruto wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

naruto wrote:

uaekid wrote:oh god not again with the locals lazy and unqualified story again !! I believe 80% of the jobs here consists of administration and finance, give me a break ppl ,you are not exactly rocket scientists here. not to mention the mass numbers of fack degrees most of expats brings to the country. trust me if companies here do a back ground check on most of you and their CVs, you wont be working here neither. I got ton's of stories if you wana hear them.

I understand some ppl defense toward the working locals and them starting to be a threat in taking over expat jobs, everyone is trying to survive after all, right?

and in regard of the salary issue, you simply can not tell anyone how much is enough for him, it is a personal choice and goal, aren't all of you here to upgrade yours ???

private companies don't want the locals as their employees simply bcz they prefer to 3000-4000 for an expat that a local with 15,000 and above to simply make more profit. it is a problem that those companies are using most of the expats as a cheap labor not bcz they are experts, face it ppl.

but if the UAE will take an action regarding this issue like what KSA just did in hiring locals in privet businesses and the GOV is paying the the rest of the salary for the giving job, I'm sure I'll see many of you leaving.

I seriously see locals more suitable for the jobs here than the expats, graduated from better schools,speaks arabic and english, less corrupted and may I add most of them are respectful to expats that an expat to another. for some reason you are more aggressive to each other than as you clam us to expats !!.


lets take an example Banks runs mostly by locals , is there are any problems in banks ? they are running perfectly ,don't you think ? expats in banks are mostly telemarketing and speaks a poor English even worst than me LOL

and look at the3 biggest investments companies in AD and probably top 10 world wide is also runs by 90% locals ,those companies if you don't know made a big diff in stabilizing the recession impact and in the UK.

AD government within 5 years is to be one of the best 5 governments in the world with 100% local labors and they have reached 60% of this goal but yes by the on going further academic specialized education other than their degrees.

yes some locals needs to improve their skills , the market needs diff kind of it and needs to varietals their degrees fields in order to keep up with the diff market changes, but don't you dare call them lazy or not up to the jobs here, they have proved to be better than expats . .


and most of you really need to do the same ,make sometime to improve yourselves instead of crying on forum threads of why and how you lost your jobs and got sacked

This is exactly what I wanted to say. In Europe, if you want to apply for a visa,you must succeed in several tests and undergoing a lot of procedures that identify the State in which those who to give the residence. For example, in France you must master the French language in order to get the visa, thats why we do not see a lot of Indians living there, and do not forget that France had expelled many of the migrants, especially the Arabs simply beacuz they are taking over most opf the jobs there therefor reducing employment opportunities, and this thing is happening here.

Between the two of you nothing you both say makes sense.

and the reason is???

You and Naruto on the same page - different discussions.

FYI I have also been a strong supporter of locals being given opportunities, but life anywhere else, qualifications, education, experience count. Be realistic Kid, how many of these supposedly highly education, (un)experienced, (un)qualified locals could get employment say in the UK, Germany, US, Singapore? Unfortunately very, very few.

There are many expats in Dubai holding jobs that they are unqualified to do as well, although many years ago, most were unqualified. Actually they came from big companies that used Dubai as a "dumping" ground for those employees they didn't know what to do with so they sent them off to Dubai. Locals came out of (local) universities thinking that it was due them to start at the top of employment rather than work their way up.

This is one of the differences between Oman and Dubai. The Sultan told all locals that he would provide for them the highest education they sought. But when they returned they were to start at the bottom and learn the business up.

I am sure you have been to Oman and found Omanis doing work that few UAE locals would do. And they are very, very proud people, rightfully.

Things have changed and education, qualification, experience count now and in the future more than ever.

I had an HR Director in a govt company told me years ago: Most of the expats that are in Dubai are unemployable worldwide. They were kicked out of Saudi Arabia and came here because it was a developing country. Funny thing, he was from the UK and had been out of his country for many years. I guess he was one of the few who faced his own reality.

Bora Bora wrote:

naruto wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

naruto wrote:

uaekid wrote:oh god not again with the locals lazy and unqualified story again !! I believe 80% of the jobs here consists of administration and finance, give me a break ppl ,you are not exactly rocket scientists here. not to mention the mass numbers of fack degrees most of expats brings to the country. trust me if companies here do a back ground check on most of you and their CVs, you wont be working here neither. I got ton's of stories if you wana hear them.

I understand some ppl defense toward the working locals and them starting to be a threat in taking over expat jobs, everyone is trying to survive after all, right?

and in regard of the salary issue, you simply can not tell anyone how much is enough for him, it is a personal choice and goal, aren't all of you here to upgrade yours ???

private companies don't want the locals as their employees simply bcz they prefer to 3000-4000 for an expat that a local with 15,000 and above to simply make more profit. it is a problem that those companies are using most of the expats as a cheap labor not bcz they are experts, face it ppl.

but if the UAE will take an action regarding this issue like what KSA just did in hiring locals in privet businesses and the GOV is paying the the rest of the salary for the giving job, I'm sure I'll see many of you leaving.

I seriously see locals more suitable for the jobs here than the expats, graduated from better schools,speaks arabic and english, less corrupted and may I add most of them are respectful to expats that an expat to another. for some reason you are more aggressive to each other than as you clam us to expats !!.


lets take an example Banks runs mostly by locals , is there are any problems in banks ? they are running perfectly ,don't you think ? expats in banks are mostly telemarketing and speaks a poor English even worst than me LOL

and look at the3 biggest investments companies in AD and probably top 10 world wide is also runs by 90% locals ,those companies if you don't know made a big diff in stabilizing the recession impact and in the UK.

AD government within 5 years is to be one of the best 5 governments in the world with 100% local labors and they have reached 60% of this goal but yes by the on going further academic specialized education other than their degrees.

yes some locals needs to improve their skills , the market needs diff kind of it and needs to varietals their degrees fields in order to keep up with the diff market changes, but don't you dare call them lazy or not up to the jobs here, they have proved to be better than expats . .


and most of you really need to do the same ,make sometime to improve yourselves instead of crying on forum threads of why and how you lost your jobs and got sacked

This is exactly what I wanted to say. In Europe, if you want to apply for a visa,you must succeed in several tests and undergoing a lot of procedures that identify the State in which those who to give the residence. For example, in France you must master the French language in order to get the visa, thats why we do not see a lot of Indians living there, and do not forget that France had expelled many of the migrants, especially the Arabs simply beacuz they are taking over most opf the jobs there therefor reducing employment opportunities, and this thing is happening here.

Between the two of you nothing you both say makes sense.

and the reason is???

You and Naruto on the same page - different discussions.

FYI I have also been a strong supporter of locals being given opportunities, but life anywhere else, qualifications, education, experience count. Be realistic Kid, how many of these supposedly highly education, (un)experienced, (un)qualified locals could get employment say in the UK, Germany, US, Singapore? Unfortunately very, very few.

There are many expats in Dubai holding jobs that they are unqualified to do as well, although many years ago, most were unqualified. Actually they came from big companies that used Dubai as a "dumping" ground for those employees they didn't know what to do with so they sent them off to Dubai. Locals came out of (local) universities thinking that it was due them to start at the top of employment rather than work their way up.

This is one of the differences between Oman and Dubai. The Sultan told all locals that he would provide for them the highest education they sought. But when they returned they were to start at the bottom and learn the business up.

I am sure you have been to Oman and found Omanis doing work that few UAE locals would do. And they are very, very proud people, rightfully.

Things have changed and education, qualification, experience count now and in the future more than ever.

I had an HR Director in a govt company told me years ago: Most of the expats that are in Dubai are unemployable worldwide. They were kicked out of Saudi Arabia and came here because it was a developing country. Funny thing, he was from the UK and had been out of his country for many years. I guess he was one of the few who faced his own reality.

Thats probably because he was kicked out. I personally do not subscribe to such generalisations.

sage & onion wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

naruto wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

naruto wrote:

uaekid wrote:oh god not again with the locals lazy and unqualified story again !! I believe 80% of the jobs here consists of administration and finance, give me a break ppl ,you are not exactly rocket scientists here. not to mention the mass numbers of fack degrees most of expats brings to the country. trust me if companies here do a back ground check on most of you and their CVs, you wont be working here neither. I got ton's of stories if you wana hear them.

I understand some ppl defense toward the working locals and them starting to be a threat in taking over expat jobs, everyone is trying to survive after all, right?

and in regard of the salary issue, you simply can not tell anyone how much is enough for him, it is a personal choice and goal, aren't all of you here to upgrade yours ???

private companies don't want the locals as their employees simply bcz they prefer to 3000-4000 for an expat that a local with 15,000 and above to simply make more profit. it is a problem that those companies are using most of the expats as a cheap labor not bcz they are experts, face it ppl.

but if the UAE will take an action regarding this issue like what KSA just did in hiring locals in privet businesses and the GOV is paying the the rest of the salary for the giving job, I'm sure I'll see many of you leaving.

I seriously see locals more suitable for the jobs here than the expats, graduated from better schools,speaks arabic and english, less corrupted and may I add most of them are respectful to expats that an expat to another. for some reason you are more aggressive to each other than as you clam us to expats !!.


lets take an example Banks runs mostly by locals , is there are any problems in banks ? they are running perfectly ,don't you think ? expats in banks are mostly telemarketing and speaks a poor English even worst than me LOL

and look at the3 biggest investments companies in AD and probably top 10 world wide is also runs by 90% locals ,those companies if you don't know made a big diff in stabilizing the recession impact and in the UK.

AD government within 5 years is to be one of the best 5 governments in the world with 100% local labors and they have reached 60% of this goal but yes by the on going further academic specialized education other than their degrees.

yes some locals needs to improve their skills , the market needs diff kind of it and needs to varietals their degrees fields in order to keep up with the diff market changes, but don't you dare call them lazy or not up to the jobs here, they have proved to be better than expats . .


and most of you really need to do the same ,make sometime to improve yourselves instead of crying on forum threads of why and how you lost your jobs and got sacked

This is exactly what I wanted to say. In Europe, if you want to apply for a visa,you must succeed in several tests and undergoing a lot of procedures that identify the State in which those who to give the residence. For example, in France you must master the French language in order to get the visa, thats why we do not see a lot of Indians living there, and do not forget that France had expelled many of the migrants, especially the Arabs simply beacuz they are taking over most opf the jobs there therefor reducing employment opportunities, and this thing is happening here.

Between the two of you nothing you both say makes sense.

and the reason is???

You and Naruto on the same page - different discussions.

FYI I have also been a strong supporter of locals being given opportunities, but life anywhere else, qualifications, education, experience count. Be realistic Kid, how many of these supposedly highly education, (un)experienced, (un)qualified locals could get employment say in the UK, Germany, US, Singapore? Unfortunately very, very few.

There are many expats in Dubai holding jobs that they are unqualified to do as well, although many years ago, most were unqualified. Actually they came from big companies that used Dubai as a "dumping" ground for those employees they didn't know what to do with so they sent them off to Dubai. Locals came out of (local) universities thinking that it was due them to start at the top of employment rather than work their way up.

This is one of the differences between Oman and Dubai. The Sultan told all locals that he would provide for them the highest education they sought. But when they returned they were to start at the bottom and learn the business up.

I am sure you have been to Oman and found Omanis doing work that few UAE locals would do. And they are very, very proud people, rightfully.

Things have changed and education, qualification, experience count now and in the future more than ever.

I had an HR Director in a govt company told me years ago: Most of the expats that are in Dubai are unemployable worldwide. They were kicked out of Saudi Arabia and came here because it was a developing country. Funny thing, he was from the UK and had been out of his country for many years. I guess he was one of the few who faced his own reality.

Thats probably because he was kicked out. I personally do not subscribe to such generalisations.

That was him talking, not me!

uaekid wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:The both of you seem to always lose the plot and wander off somewhere that only the two of you know about.

What are you talking about regarding the French visa? Or were you talking about the requirements to obtain the passport? If you are an expat and work in France speaking French is not a requirement nor do you have to go through a battery of tests or procedures. Nor do you need the speak French to get a travel visa and again no tests are required; procedures are submitting documentation requesting a visa.

And are you saying that the UAE should expel expats because "they are taking over the jobs"? I am sure you are aware of the fact that there are more jobs than locals in Dubai, so expats are needed.

I am not going to continue to point out the obvious to you.

umm I thought there were judging the locals abilities in privet businesses so I responded to that !

You THOUGHT wrong...again. Try to be less assumptive. Trust me, gains more respect!

naruto wrote:

dee7o wrote:

uaekid wrote:

worldguy wrote:they will when the value of the oil starts to drop and they will need expat money to run the show. Otherwise the rich emiratis will just move to Europe or US and leave the rest behind.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

Currently the government is sharing their wealth with locals by making them come to work rather than sit at home.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

yes yes and yes but what they are doing now is sending the upoard local students toUS,UK and Aus to study those fields, an approximate of 100 locals graduate a year, small number but it is a start. and no more business studies.


Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

disagree here, locals worked in or started working in privet business but the pay is just not enough. 5000-8000 just won't do it

If locals were integrated into the private sector and entered it like anyone else then I would say fine. Instead Dubai has quotas forcing people to hire locals. This is in spite of the fact that all ethics of HR and recruiting used all over the world should not discriminate by race, gender, religion, etc. Besides if 5000-8000 just "won't do it" for locals, why are there people here still being paid 700 dhs per month?
I defend Dubai when defence is due and I have had my share of arguments with ppl on this forum who will attest to that but you can't call a pineapple a hedgehog and expect people to respect your opinion. Defending your country is one thing but denying its biggest faults even exist is plain hypocrisy that only sets your country backwards.

woow hold on ..
who said that locals are denying the GOV. faults ..the thing is we dont like it when some1 who didnt live in the country to come and point fingers on us about ..you know the term mind you own business..
im not refering to expact who live here ..im refering to so called RObby G..and yes i agree with the GOV. when they enforced the privet company to hire local , can u beleive that more than 50,000 locals are unemployed here in the land of opportinities , in the land where ppl with no education can become specialist in mejor fileds, the problem is with the privet company they give hight salary to some nationalities and they want to give locals less than them, plus they are hiring indians like locals do not exisit anymore..explain to me why we have a high rate on unemployment akthough we bring expact to work in our country..

Do you have any idea why 50,000 locals are unemployed? You yourself say it's the land of opportunities, so why? Please don't tell me people don't employ locals because they have a bad image about them. Even if that were true, why don't locals employ locals?!?!?! It's not for lack of business owners, that's for sure

dee7o wrote:

naruto wrote:

dee7o wrote:

uaekid wrote:

worldguy wrote:they will when the value of the oil starts to drop and they will need expat money to run the show. Otherwise the rich emiratis will just move to Europe or US and leave the rest behind.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

Currently the government is sharing their wealth with locals by making them come to work rather than sit at home.

This is a serious issue with this place and if they really want UAE to progress than they need to give talent a consideration. They could start by giving citizenship to doctors, scientist, R&D specialist ... otherwise the base will stay weak.

yes yes and yes but what they are doing now is sending the upoard local students toUS,UK and Aus to study those fields, an approximate of 100 locals graduate a year, small number but it is a start. and no more business studies.


Secondly they need to ensure that locals do not get jobs on platter. Otherwise, they are just creating locals to be less competitive to expats. This is apparent from stories running in various news papers, re why locals do not want to work in private sector.

disagree here, locals worked in or started working in privet business but the pay is just not enough. 5000-8000 just won't do it

If locals were integrated into the private sector and entered it like anyone else then I would say fine. Instead Dubai has quotas forcing people to hire locals. This is in spite of the fact that all ethics of HR and recruiting used all over the world should not discriminate by race, gender, religion, etc. Besides if 5000-8000 just "won't do it" for locals, why are there people here still being paid 700 dhs per month?
I defend Dubai when defence is due and I have had my share of arguments with ppl on this forum who will attest to that but you can't call a pineapple a hedgehog and expect people to respect your opinion. Defending your country is one thing but denying its biggest faults even exist is plain hypocrisy that only sets your country backwards.

woow hold on ..
who said that locals are denying the GOV. faults ..the thing is we dont like it when some1 who didnt live in the country to come and point fingers on us about ..you know the term mind you own business..
im not refering to expact who live here ..im refering to so called RObby G..and yes i agree with the GOV. when they enforced the privet company to hire local , can u beleive that more than 50,000 locals are unemployed here in the land of opportinities , in the land where ppl with no education can become specialist in mejor fileds, the problem is with the privet company they give hight salary to some nationalities and they want to give locals less than them, plus they are hiring indians like locals do not exisit anymore..explain to me why we have a high rate on unemployment akthough we bring expact to work in our country..

Do you have any idea why 50,000 locals are unemployed? You yourself say it's the land of opportunities, so why? Please don't tell me people don't employ locals because they have a bad image about them. Even if that were true, why don't locals employ locals?!?!?! It's not for lack of business owners, that's for sure

Where do you get your numbers from?

I guess one good example is the locals that Al Fattim (sp?) let go during the bit redundency a few months ago, and they went to court and because of that employment laws were changed.

Why so many don't want to work? Welfare mentality. Why should I get out of bed and work when all I have to do is go to the bank and make sure the government deposited my monthly stipend. Or: all the government jobs are taken.

The government placement office: Over 10,000 registered and many have probably been registered since the office opened 8 years ago. Very, very few get placed. But there are those few who take training courses and take a job knowing that they will have to work and learn in order to succeed. Most don't even show up for arranged interviews.

Bora Bora wrote:I guess one good example is the locals that Al Fattim (sp?) let go during the bit redundency a few months ago, and they went to court and because of that employment laws were changed.

Why so many don't want to work? Welfare mentality. Why should I get out of bed and work when all I have to do is go to the bank and make sure the government deposited my monthly stipend. Or: all the government jobs are taken.

The government placement office: Over 10,000 registered and many have probably been registered since the office opened 8 years ago. Very, very few get placed. But there are those few who take training courses and take a job knowing that they will have to work and learn in order to succeed. Most don't even show up for arranged interviews.

To be honest, with the example of Al Futaim that you gave, if you had your own Company who would you employ?