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You understand their meanings. If you don't then please use wikipedia or something similar. I'm not a teacher I just want to have some sensible debate, not educate.

Please show me where I said anything was under threat. Those are your words I am afraid, typically you have misread me to start some kind of argument I guess. I only mentioned that a national identity grows and changes with time. Did I say it was good or bad? Tell me. Also, surely you don't disagree?

Why do you question others and not make whatever point is inside your head? What do you actually want to say about this topic? Come on, any opinions?

Sorry, Speedy.
I thought you wanted to say something original making disagreement with and I still believe that you have been getting knowledge about Dubai not only from wikipedia.

I wasn't disagreeing with anyone, read again. Does everything have to be a disagreement?

I told you to read wikipedia, I don't need it to understand concepts.

Tell me what Mohammed Al-Fahim says about the influx of Persians into the western Trucial States? Did you ever read his book?

I don't believe you have anything to contribute to this subject, do you.....

OK let's start you off. What does it mean to you to be Russian?

Sorry, Speedy.
It was my fault. Probably I didn't understand your sentence properly. "I don't disagree" is too heavy for me.

Speedhump wrote:

Tom Jones wrote:The UAE lost this guy forever, even though he was effectively an Emarati in every aspect except for his nationality papers. People like these should rightfully be entitled to the UAE citizenship. Giving them citizenship is also in the best interest of this country which needs to combat the fact that the Emarati nationals are becoming, more and more, a very tiny minority in their own country.

I don't disagree with the idea at all, it would be a nice reward to the people who have worked here for a long time, and also would keep skilled labour from leaving, but isn't the actual wish of the UAE probably to keep their Arab identity, and giving citizenship to Pakistanis, British, Australians, etc. is in fact diluting this aim?

No problem.

Tom Jones said it was a good idea to give citizenship to some specific long term residents. I said I don't disagree.

It's a double negative and it's a normal part of English language. Don't disagree means agree. Sorry if it confused you. I just wrote as I would speak.

Speedhump wrote:It's a double negative and it's a normal part of English language. Don't disagree means agree. Sorry if it confused you. I just wrote as I would speak.

I either had bad teachers or was a bad student about double negative in English language.

Thanks for education.

As I have no Russian language skill at all I would be very stupid to criticise your English!

Speedhump wrote:As I have no Russian language skill at all I would be very stupid to criticise your English!

Why? You are a native speaker. Your language is absolute standart for me.

I said that current argument happened only due to my conservative language, not permanent desire bashing you as you had thought.

Red Chief wrote:

Speedhump wrote:As I have no Russian language skill at all I would be very stupid to criticise your English!

Why? You are a native speaker. Your language is absolute standart for me.

I said that current argument happened only due to my conservative language, not permanent desire bashing you as you had thought.

Its not standarT Chief...its standarD



Education...education...educaaation

"Who are you to f@cking lecture me?"- asked Mr. Lavrov to Mr. Miliband in the phone conversation just after Georgian war.

Red Chief wrote:"Who are you to f@cking lecture me?"- asked Mr. Lavrov to Mr. Miliband in the phone conversation just after Georgian war.

Mr. Miliband replied to Mr. Lavrov; "Cause you are being ignorant and could use a proficiency tutoring"...

Which was well founded and the two men agreed to shake hands once again...

You defInItely should write pulp fiction, Rob. Oh, sorry, you always do so...

Red Chief wrote:You defInItely should write pulp fiction, Rob. Oh, sorry, you always do so...

I see you can't appreciate my sublime response.

I'm sorry you are that limited.

...sigh they'll never learn it.

Is he really oblivious of the fact that those laborers came here on high hopes and false promises?
If these people knew what they are really getting themselves in to, they wouldn't come here, that's for sure. But it's not the UAE's problem right?

pinoy1 wrote:Is he really oblivious of the fact that those laborers came here on high hopes and false promises?
If these people knew what they are really getting themselves in to, they wouldn't come here, that's for sure. But it's not the UAE's problem right?

michaeldubai wrote:Answer is simple: People coming to work here is a two way thing - we provide a service for which we get paid. In simple words we get the money, you get the place built up. So we have millions of labourers who have honoured their end of the contract - toiling day and night. But someone (the employer - the bigshots) have not kept their end of the promise, no or low salaries and providing inhuman living conditions.

Although they bear the biggest part of the responsibility, we can’t just blame the local employers for the plight of the abused laborers in the UAE.

Let’s not forget that these poor laborers also get lied to, exploited and deceived by their own people who represent the recruitment agencies in their home countries. Those greedy and crooked recruiters know about the working conditions over here, but they lie to the workers giving them unrealistic and false hopes, not to mentin slapping them with exorbitant fees!!

In addition, and as someone mentioned earlier, their own governments do not actively lobby for them and stand by them either!

It seems like it’s a no win situation for these poor fellows!

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Well this might not be in context but I don't know why anyone woud want to leave Canada to work in the desert? I guess the draw of money does it. In Canada we accept everybody no matter the color of skin or previous nationality, or religion. Just from reading the forums, I feel there is alot of problems in Dubai with the locals and foreigners. I came here to learn about Dubai as it's in the news alot. I might visit one day to take in a camal race. I have no desire to live there. I couldn't take the heat!

canuckbid wrote:Hello. I think alot of people forget that they are in a different country than their own and don't respect the local laws and customs. They think everything should be the same as their home country. Wake up and smell the coffee. You shoud respect the countries culture or don't be there.

In my opinion you are mistaken here. What is been discussed is the poor condition of the labours in a country who promised them something in return for their work and dedication.
It wont corrupt or interferes a country's culture.
....or you are stating that the culture of Arabs is still keeping slaves???

Sk.Mohahammad said it very clearly that there is problem in some areas and they are going to do something about it but the issue is implementing.
The government can expel iranian companies from their place just to please a so called super power but will not take proper actions to improve the situation of poor workers by making and implying a law for their security.

Why agents have a free hand in terms of hiring labours????

we all should respect any human who is doing labour to improve our life style and playing as an anonymous milestone in the development of the developed countries.

It's funny how people take words and twist them. I never stated that at all. How would I know what is happening in your country? I merely stated when you visit a different country you should respect their ways and culture. It's not worth posting here if people want to jump on you when you make a post. If you are not a part of the solution, then you are a part of the problem. Actions speak louder than words on a blog. Have a good day.

daisy wrote:

canuckbid wrote:Hello. I think alot of people forget that they are in a different country than their own and don't respect the local laws and customs. They think everything should be the same as their home country. Wake up and smell the coffee. You shoud respect the countries culture or don't be there.

In my opinion you are mistaken here. What is been discussed is the poor condition of the labours in a country who promised them something in return for their work and dedication.
It wont corrupt or interferes a country's culture.
....or you are stating that the culture of Arabs is still keeping slaves???

Sk.Mohahammad said it very clearly that there is problem in some areas and they are going to do something about it but the issue is implementing.
The government can expel iranian companies from their place just to please a so called super power but will not take proper actions to improve the situation of poor workers by making and implying a law for their security.

Why agents have a free hand in terms of hiring labours????

we all should respect any human who is doing labour to improve our life style and playing as an anonymous milestone in the development of the developed countries.

With respect, canuckbid was on topic, this thread is about the UAE and people coming to live here or visit, and complaining about it. The thread has been hijacked to YET AGAIN make another thread about workers' rights.

I suggest you misunderstood his post.

From my point of nonsense this is not just about laborarers, expats and locals nor the government or employers here in Dubai. Every where we see a lame argument of human rights or i want this i want that, why is it better like this or like that...The fact is we humans our selves are hungry for power or just about anything, we are never content with anything, as we have or get what we want. We keep on bargaining for a better one, thus our hunger and thirst for dominance keeps on growing and growing.

Human is like a virus of the earth we keep on consuming every thing 'till one day we can no longer consume anything but our selves. "Original Quote by Me. hehehe

portland wrote:From my point of nonsense this is not just about laborarers, expats and locals nor the government or employers here in Dubai. Every where we see a lame argument of human rights or i want this i want that, why is it better like this or like that...The fact is we humans our selves are hungry for power or just about anything, we are never content with anything, as we have or get what we want. We keep on bargaining for a better one, thus our hunger and thirst for dominance keeps on growing and growing.

Human is like a virus of the earth we keep on consuming every thing 'till one day we can no longer consume anything but our selves. "Original Quote by Me. hehehe

It's what I always say too. We are battling against human nature. The only difference is I don't agree human rights' arguments are always 'lame'; we can't just let human nature take its course, laws have to protect the weak from the strong.

In the UAE it IS happening, but it seems it's not fast enough for critics of the UAE. The fact that the Arab way is naturally slow and unrushed (this is just fact) is not accepted by the critics. But change is happening.

Speedhump wrote:

portland wrote:From my point of nonsense this is not just about laborarers, expats and locals nor the government or employers here in Dubai. Every where we see a lame argument of human rights or i want this i want that, why is it better like this or like that...The fact is we humans our selves are hungry for power or just about anything, we are never content with anything, as we have or get what we want. We keep on bargaining for a better one, thus our hunger and thirst for dominance keeps on growing and growing.

Human is like a virus of the earth we keep on consuming every thing 'till one day we can no longer consume anything but our selves. "Original Quote by Me. hehehe

It's what I always say too. We are battling against human nature. The only difference is I don't agree human rights' arguments are always 'lame'; we can't just let human nature take its course, laws have to protect the weak from the strong.

In the UAE it IS happening, but it seems it's not fast enough for critics of the UAE. The fact that the Arab way is naturally slow and unrushed (this is just fact) is not accepted by the critics. But change is happening.

HEHEHE Brilliant...you got my point with the lame thing...

I did?

Speedhump wrote: The fact that the Arab way is naturally slow and unrushed (this is just fact) is not accepted by the critics. But change is happening.

In average they are a little bit slow. If you mean the people who speak Arabic they differ each other very much.
Syrian guy I work to is rather energetic and quick as soon as he needs to compete with Indian guys. He graduated from Russian university and get married Russian wife though.
In cargo industry Brits are considered as the biggest retards among Europeans due to the their islander's mentality.

@speed hehehe did so...

@red chief nice comment with the retards there...

LOL

How clever of you to mention Brits in reply to me, you dolt.

What is islanders' mentality? Who believes it, other Europeans? In my industry Brits are considered the most trustworthy and professional, or maybe it's just me.

In my industry for example Russians and their satellite countries are generally crooked and heavy drinkers (apart from the women). I know a few myself. They bought half of Cyprus with cash out of suitcases. Not too trustworthy. In fact not trustworthy at all and very bad business partners.

What does it have to do with this thread?

It was only about generalization about things you don't have enough experience with.
So don't be upset if somebody thinks the same about your nation in some business fields.
As for crude industry I've never said that Brits are retards, they are most likely sharks

The answer is simple they come for work. But Dubai will die without all foreigners around. And Dubai must rethink its economic model because its showing sign of cracking according to news property price will go down by 50% this year.
Beside Dubai must understand that this economic meltdown will not sapre even the smartest countries.