Muslims and Education

mraph33

The fact the the killer of Daniel Pearl went to LSE kind of proves what the problem is in the Arab world. When people want a good education they go to western universities. And those that can afford it, send their high school age children to European boarding school. Unfortunately, the level of the local school here are far below those in the west.

sara_uk

The fact the the killer of Daniel Pearl went to LSE kind of proves what the problem is in the Arab world. When people want a good education they go to western universities. And those that can afford it, send their high school age children to European boarding school. Unfortunately, the level of the local school here are far below those in the west.

Yes yes all this is true but again you forgetting history, Muslims are not against education, the corrupted leaders are, if people become too smart then some royal family would not exist. This education system is that way for a reason in most Islamic courtiers. It certainly nothing to do with Islam because it is encouraged, that why Muslims were the leaders in most science fields in history, and it also not a money issue.

rvp_legend

The fact the the killer of Daniel Pearl went to LSE kind of proves what the problem is in the Arab world. When people want a good education they go to western universities. And those that can afford it, send their high school age children to European boarding school. Unfortunately, the level of the local school here are far below those in the west.

Mraph33
Dude, your statement above was seriously weak.

The fact that the killer of Daniel Pearl went to LSE was not because the Universities in the Arab World are below standard, but because HE WAS A BRITISH - BORN PAKISTANI!

So what has he to do with the arab world?

sniper420

The fact the the killer of Daniel Pearl went to LSE kind of proves what the problem is in the Arab world. When people want a good education they go to western universities. And those that can afford it, send their high school age children to European boarding school. Unfortunately, the level of the local school here are far below those in the west.

lol u mean universities yeah they are better....... skools i felt dubai skools were good

mraph33

The fact the the killer of Daniel Pearl went to LSE kind of proves what the problem is in the Arab world. When people want a good education they go to western universities. And those that can afford it, send their high school age children to European boarding school. Unfortunately, the level of the local school here are far below those in the west.

Mraph33
Dude, your statement above was seriously weak.

The fact that the killer of Daniel Pearl went to LSE was not because the Universities in the Arab World are below standard, but because HE WAS A BRITISH - BORN PAKISTANI!

So what has he to do with the arab world?

To be honest....I don't know anything about his killers other than what was written here.

But the fact that those who can afford to study overseas choose to do so says something about the level of the education system here.

kanelli

It is not Islam that is the problem, it is a country's political system, wealth, infrastructure, and even geography that are the problems.

hillaryrowley

let muslims stop thinking that west is the best, western people are good, western degrees are good, give them equal importance. I have been to Asia, Europe and US. But the best country i ever lived was UAE except the racism and bias.
people who are responsible for western countries' achievement are the people from the 3rd world.
Its only that we don't recognize them and somebody else does.

rudeboy

talking about muslims and education does anyone know if there is a good library in dubai which is massive and doesnt need to check your documents like your passport or id or wots so ever :p

hillaryrowley

talking about muslims and education does anyone know if there is a good library in dubai which is massive and doesnt need to check your documents like your passport or id or wots so ever :p

thats a good one rude boy, my brother who lives in Dubai says he always carries a bundle of passport copies in his car. he says they might ask for a copy for using rest rooms too.

kanelli

let muslims stop thinking that west is the best, western people are good, western degrees are good, give them equal importance. I have been to Asia, Europe and US. But the best country i ever lived was UAE except the racism and bias. people who are responsible for western countries' achievement are the people from the 3rd world. Its only that we don't recognize them and somebody else does.

Give me a break. My family worked hard to achieve things in their home countries and where they settled - why should the credit go to 3rd world countries or people? Your statement is absurd.

sniper420

talking about muslims and education does anyone know if there is a good library in dubai which is massive and doesnt need to check your documents like your passport or id or wots so ever :p

good point rude...i ddnt get any........while the budget spent on those tourists projects is over 20-30 billion the budget for education is very small less than a billion. 🙄

sniper420

let muslims stop thinking that west is the best, western people are good, western degrees are good, give them equal importance. I have been to Asia, Europe and US. But the best country i ever lived was UAE except the racism and bias. people who are responsible for western countries' achievement are the people from the 3rd world. Its only that we don't recognize them and somebody else does.

Give me a break. My family worked hard to achieve things in their home countries and where they settled - why should the credit go to 3rd world countries or people? Your statement is absurd.

erm.....well if u see how us west rose is bcose of industrial revolution and thks to bunch of intelligensia ppl who took ppl out of dark ages. if u notice during dark ages western countries due to over production seeked market in present third world countries and then they turned to colonial powers from merchants then they looted them constanly like never b4 done by any colonial power...left most of the colonial countries after retrogade poverty has been set in th ecountry. After independence of these colonial countried most ppl were unemployed seeked job in western countries who used em as cheap labor, in NY, canada etc. Even now globalisation is rampant and neocolonialism is trend. That doesnt mean ppl in the west were just slumbering all day...they did infact work hard but not compared to thousands of immigrants from poor background or third world countries

Intimacy

Read, Read, Read.

It was the first word was sent to the prophet thru Gabriel.

Education is extremely spread in the islamic world... you can ask the taxi drivers you see in dubai ... you will find that most of them are a uni. degree holders... at the sametime .. there is nothing wrong with being a taxi driver.

naivety of many makes them feel that if they new couple of things about something... likethey know everything about it.

Its better we get mature and learn how to be humans before we start learning... getting certificate ... and start feeling that we are better than others. i have stumbled across many who have very unique certificates but they are worse than animals.

noni

Adding to what Sniper said above....after colonialization there was a huge mess. Countries in Africa, the Middle East, and more into Asia recieved their independence in the 20th century and they were now left to start an entire system themselves. They were ruled under colonial rule for so many years, adjusted to a system, granted independence (well deserved) and now had to start from scratch. And to add to that, the imperial colonists didn't help with the maintainment/building of an infrastructre, government, education system, etc. A lot of people wonder why much of Africa is so in shambles, yes there is poverty, political instability, but the colonialists squeezed the resources out (diamonds, ivory, etc etc) and left them to create their "independent country." These countries are babies with huge economic and political problems and that is reflected in issues such as the lack of empasis given on education. I think it is just important to look at the historical backgrounds of these issues.
Further, ever wonder why Muslims were so ahead of the game back in the day? They developed algebra and contributed to the foundations of analytical geometry. They were the founders of spherical trigonometry. They translated thousands of significant greek/roman works in philsophy, science, math, literature, medicine etc...Christian scholastics borrowed direct works from original Arabic sources and the Latin translations of the works of Al- Ghazali, Ibn Sina, Ibn Rushd, etc. Islamic art style was also transcient in the west with calligraphy, tiling, and geometric patterns. Muslim farmers introduced Spain to many crops such as sugar cane, rice, oranges, apricots, eggplant, ..etc . Even in term of cleanliness, when the Christian crusaders came over, the Muslims were horrified at their lack of hygiene! Even Christian first-hand crusader accounts elaborate on the cleanliness/hygeine of the Muslims they encountered. It is just very interesting how in a way we are going backwards from the developments that have been made. Sorry if I digressed too much, I just have read a lot on this subject.... 😳

raidah

i think we r getting back to the "women in the arab and/or muslim world have no (equal) rights" issue. sure, literacy or the lack of it is a problem among the male population also, but in many of these countries an educated wife is not a good wife, so better keep her in the kitchen and as a baby making mashine. as long as she is kept in dark, she will not know how sad her situation is.

but this is just part of the problem, the whole package is more complex.

on the other hand, might be just my luck of meeting the right ppl, but all my arab friends are more educated, speak several languages and generally more opened to different things than most of the europeans i know.

rvp_legend

on the other hand, might be just my luck of meeting the right ppl, but all my arab friends are more educated, speak several languages and generally more opened to different things than most of the europeans i know.

Luck or Bad Luck?
Arab are more open minded than Europeans..... you clearly havent met many Europeans!

rvp_legend

Adding to what Sniper said above....after colonialization there was a huge mess. Countries in Africa, the Middle East, and more into Asia recieved their independence in the 20th century and they were now left to start an entire system themselves. They were ruled under colonial rule for so many years, adjusted to a system, granted independence (well deserved) and now had to start from scratch. And to add to that, the imperial colonists didn't help with the maintainment/building of an infrastructre, government, education system, etc. A lot of people wonder why much of Africa is so in shambles, yes there is poverty, political instability, but the colonialists squeezed the resources out (diamonds, ivory, etc etc) and left them to create their "independent country." These countries are babies with huge economic and political problems and that is reflected in issues such as the lack of empasis given on education. I think it is just important to look at the historical backgrounds of these issues. Further, ever wonder why Muslims were so ahead of the game back in the day? They developed algebra and contributed to the foundations of analytical geometry. They were the founders of spherical trigonometry. They translated thousands of significant greek/roman works in philsophy, science, math, literature, medicine etc...Christian scholastics borrowed direct works from original Arabic sources and the Latin translations of the works of Al- Ghazali, Ibn Sina, Ibn Rushd, etc. Islamic art style was also transcient in the west with calligraphy, tiling, and geometric patterns. Muslim farmers introduced Spain to many crops such as sugar cane, rice, oranges, apricots, eggplant, ..etc . Even in term of cleanliness, when the Christian crusaders came over, the Muslims were horrified at their lack of hygiene! Even Christian first-hand crusader accounts elaborate on the cleanliness/hygeine of the Muslims they encountered. It is just very interesting how in a way we are going backwards from the developments that have been made. Sorry if I digressed too much, I just have read a lot on this subject.... 😳

History is wonderfull if more people made the effort to learn it.

But guess what.... its about how a country picks itself up and looks to improve it.

Look at Malaysia and India. compare them to the Middle East.

Malaysia has turned successfull. India is working its way to challenge superpower status despite its huge population and lack of natural resources.

Then look at the middle east.... Puppet Kingdoms, no sign of democracy , Human rights violations mainly to their fellow "Muslim brothers and sisters" and limited education to suppress knowledge.

Even Iran had a democracy in the 50's!!!

noni

History is wonderfull if more people made the effort to learn it.

But guess what.... its about how a country picks itself up and looks to improve it.

Look at Malaysia and India. compare them to the Middle East.

Malaysia has turned successfull. India is working its way to challenge superpower status despite its huge population and lack of natural resources.

Then look at the middle east.... Puppet Kingdoms, no sign of democracy , Human rights violations mainly to their fellow "Muslim brothers and sisters" and limited education to suppress knowledge.

Even Iran had a democracy in the 50's!!!

Yeah I agree with you. I was just stating that these are historical backgrounds for the occurance of these problems. I would have loved to see these countries build themselves in to strong economic and political powers. It would be a different world.

rvp_legend

Yeah I agree with you. I was just stating that these are historical backgrounds for the occurance of these problems. I would have loved to see these countries build themselves in to strong economic and political powers. It would be a different world.

Yes 100% agree with you.

What i wanted to mention was that, only AFrica was looted much as the Mughal region (India/Pakistan/Bangladesh).

The Mughal Empire was the wealthiest Empire in history yet, was left to dust by the time the British Left. Since then... although tackled by huge population issues India has surfaced very well. Pakistan has the opportunity now to follow the lead. Bangladesh is hit by way too many natural disasters to keep up.

These countries got their independance after the middle east with hardly any oil - yet they are racing ahead. Their students are exceptional and annually thousends are offered Jobs in Europe and USA/Canada. Then there is the outsourcing which takes place there.

Management within the countries is vital for Education to improve.

noni

Yes 100% agree with you.

What i wanted to mention was that, only AFrica was looted much as the Mughal region (India/Pakistan/Bangladesh).

The Mughal Empire was the wealthiest Empire in history yet, was left to dust by the time the British Left. Since then... although tackled by huge population issues India has surfaced very well. Pakistan has the opportunity now to follow the lead. Bangladesh is hit by way too many natural disasters to keep up.

These countries got their independance after the middle east with hardly any oil - yet they are racing ahead. Their students are exceptional and annually thousends are offered Jobs in Europe and USA/Canada. Then there is the outsourcing which takes place there.

Management within the countries is vital for Education to improve.

Exactly 😀

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