Poll: Muslims less likely to justify violence

shafique

Interesting facts are revealed in a recent Gallup poll - Muslims are less likely to justify violence and killings of civilians than Jews and Christians polled. Atheists are closer to the Muslim point of view when it comes to violence:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/08/a-fascinating-look-at-the-political-views-of-muslim-americans/242975/

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/03/poll-muslims-atheists-most-likely-to-reject-violence/

Hat tip to Loonwatch:
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/08/gallup-poll-jews-and-christians-way-more-likely-than-muslims-to-justify-killing-civilians/

Now, I could be wrong, but I expect the loon brigade here will jump in and deny the facts - and decide to quote screeds copied from loon sites. 😉

Cheers,
Shafique

Bethsmum

Or the wrong muslims on a good day?

Or the right muslims on a 'feel good' day?

Dillon

Interesting facts are revealed in a recent Gallup poll - Muslims are less likely to justify violence and killings of civilians than Jews and Christians polled. Atheists are closer to the Muslim point of view when it comes to violence:...

Now, I could be wrong, but I expect the loon brigade here will jump in and deny the facts - and decide to quote screeds copied from loon sites. 😉

Cheers,
Shafique

Yes, as evidenced recently by Zine Ben Ali, Muammar Gaddafi, Hosni Mubarak, Hamad Al Khalifa, Qaboos Bin Said, Ali Abdullah Saleh, Bashar al Assad AND all their private and public armies, AND the peoples of their States, or are you suggesting that American Muslims are different somehow from Muslims Worldwide?

You really do need to work on the credibility of your overtly biased posts and manipulated deceptive thread titles Shaf.

🙄 I've given you the rolling eyes only because I couldn't find the tutting, shaking head!

Flying_Dutchman

I do have the notion that Islam in the US has less violent tendencies. I still would like to see their working definition of a 'civilian' though.<br /><br />-- Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:56 am --<br /><br />

are you suggesting that American Muslims are different somehow from Muslims Worldwide?

I think they are. Islam manifests itself different in the US than Europe IMO.

You really do need to work on the credibility of your overtly biased posts and manipulated deceptive thread titles Shaf.

True that!

Red_Chief

In the Bolton borough? :blackeye:

First time, It was Europe instead of EU to connect his stat with Norvegian Breviek.

We are watching you. 😉

event_horizon

But Small Pockets of Support and Doubts About Sept. 11

Of course, although American Muslims largely reject extremist ideologies, results from the 2007 survey do reveal small pockets of support for extremism. And the survey found that younger Muslims in the U.S. are slightly more accepting of Islamic extremism than are older Muslims. Those under age 30 are more than twice as likely as those age 30 and older to believe that suicide bombings in the defense of Islam can often or sometimes be justified (15% vs. 6%). This pattern is consistent with findings from Europe -- Muslims under age 30 in Britain, France, Germany and Spain are slightly more likely than those in older age groups to endorse suicide attacks.

The survey also finds that native-born African-American Muslims are less likely than other U.S. Muslims to condemn al Qaeda completely. Only 9% express a favorable view of the organization, but at the same time, just 36% give it a very unfavorable rating.

And fewer than half of Muslim Americans -- just four-in-10 -- accept the fact that groups of Arabs carried out the Sept. 11 attacks. Roughly a third (32%) express no opinion as to who was behind the attacks, while 28% flatly disbelieve that Arabs conducted the attacks. Fewer highly religious Muslim Americans believe that groups of Arabs carried out the attacks than do less religious Muslims. The survey also finds that those who say suicide bombings in defense of Islam can often or sometimes be justified are more disbelieving than others that Arabs carried out the Sept. 11 attacks.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1445/little-support-for-terrorism-among-muslim-americans

shafique

Yes, as evidenced recently by Zine Ben Ali, Muammar Gaddafi, Hosni Mubarak, Hamad Al Khalifa, Qaboos Bin Said, Ali Abdullah Saleh, Bashar al Assad AND all their private and public armies, AND the peoples of their States, or are you suggesting that American Muslims are different somehow from Muslims Worldwide?

LOL - what is it with false analogies when faced with facts?

Let's face it, the poll showed that the Muslims in the poll were less likely to justify violence (and that would apply to violence committed by Muslim dictators) than the Jews and Christians polled.

They were justifying the killing of civilians, the Muslims were less likely to justify these killings.

🙄

Facts, not spin. 😉

(Oh, and no, my view isn't that American Muslims hold different views from the other billion or so Muslims elsewhere in the world - just that reality and Guru Bob's fantasies about Muslims aren't good friends. )

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

Oh, and no, my view isn't that American Muslims hold different views from the other billion or so Muslims elsewhere in the world - just that reality and Guru Bob's fantasies about Muslims aren't good friends. )

I guess we're to believe British Muslims are the anomaly, then:

A new report released Monday by the London-based Center for Social Cohesion reveals that British Muslim students are not far behind their Middle Eastern peers in their social values, especially those who are members of on-campus Islamic societies.

The report, entitled "Islam on Campus: A Survey of UK Student Opinion," reveals that approximately a third of those surveyed supported the idea that one can kill in the name of religion, a finding that has raised alarm bells....

Among the Muslim students surveyed, 32 percent said killing in the name of religion could be justified. However, almost double that number, 60 percent of those who are active members of Islamic student organizations, supported the idea.

Only 2 percent of non-Muslims felt killing in the name of religion was justified.

British Muslim students are not far behind their Middle Eastern peers in their social values

Indeed.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126973

Any guesses as to why shafique would try to claim American Muslims are more representative of the Muslim world than his fellow citizens?

herve

If Al shafique was polled by Gallup he would not admit he supports Hamas the terrorist organization.This is why these polls are totally unreliable because muslims have a double language and they lie to their teeth.
For them beating up a wife is not violence, it is discipline, suicide is not allowed in islam , so they call it martyrdom, cant cheat on your wife, they marry one for 1 hour and so forth
Fact is that muslim violence is seen everywhere , everyday, they can claim and poll all day that they are peaceful no one is buying.
And again al shafique started a thread trying to convince some of the complete opposite.

shafique

So herve doesn't believe the poll results. No surprises there.

herve - only Islamophobes share your twisted view of Islam, and they already hate Muslims. Repeating your views just exposes you as a sad, bitter twisted individual. You're not annoying me with your views - they are so mistaken and wrong they are funny. So why bother?

As for the poll, it doesn't say that there aren't Muslims who agree with people like you that celebrate killings (you celebrate murders carried out in Dubai by Mossad, for example) - only that there are more Jews and Christians who share your views than Muslims and Atheists. The posts on DF actually bear this out as well!

The most extreme religious fanatic poster here is actually a Christian. 😮

Cheers,
Shafique

Bethsmum

The most extreme religious fanatic poster here is actually a Christian.

Well I'd certainly disagree with that!

shafique

Eh shot himself in the foot by referring to the Pew surveys etc. When we take a look at all the available polls we get a stunning conclusion.

Surveys Show Muslims in Every Country Less Likely to Justify Killing Civilians than Americans and Israelis

Percentage of people who said it is sometimes justifiable to target and kill civilians:

Mormon-Americans 64%
Christian-Americans 58%
Jewish-Americans 52%
Israeli Jews 52%
Palestinians* 51%
No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
Nigerians* 43%
Lebanese* 38%
Spanish Muslims 31%
Muslim-Americans 21%
German Muslims 17%
French Muslims 16%
British Muslims 16%
Egyptians* 15%
Indonesians* 13%
Jordanians* 12%
Pakistanis* 5%
Turks* 4%
*refers to Muslims only

Therefore, Muslims in every country are less likely than U.S. Jews and Christians (and Israeli Jews) to believe that it is sometimes justified to target and kill civilians.

Fuller commentary here:
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/08/surveys-show-muslims-in-every-country-less-likely-to-justify-killing-civilians-than-americans-and-israelis/

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

Do you expect anyone to believe only 5% of Pakistanis or 4% of Turks support targeting civilians?

At least try to believe in your own polls before you post them.

shafique

I wouldn't expect Islamophobes to believe the facts when they disagree with their dogma - that would be too much.

However, you're the one that quoted the surveys referenced, and that is what they show. Just because you don't want to believe the evidence doesn't make it wrong.

As a group, you Christian Americans are more likely to justify killings than even Palestinian Muslims (who are living under a Military Occupation, remember). Now that is saying something!

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

Danios never supplies the link for his claims.

The % of Muslims in Muslim countries in his list appears to come from polls asking Muslims if they approve of the killing of civilians in the context of suicide attacks. The poll % of Westerners is a more abstract question and is not limited to groups killing civilians.

These are the 'facts' Danios is currently using, otherwise known as slop.

Anyways, do you actually expect anyone to believe Pakistani Muslims are several times more 'moderate' than European and American Muslims?

Spanish Muslims 31% Muslim-Americans 21% German Muslims 17% French Muslims 16% British Muslims 16% ... Pakistanis* 5%

Pakistan: 100's of thousands rally nationwide to support the bodyguard who assassinated Salman Taseer for his opposing Pakistan's blasphemy law

In other news, 5% of Pakistanis oppose murdering civilians.

herve

al shafique, you can't rely on polls, it s non sense, even your self you dont speak the truth.
what would you say if gallup asked you if you support HAMAS

shafique

LOL - never mind eh, continue to believe in the propaganda and ignore the facts.

BTW, when you quoted the pew survey did you not have the link? Can't you find and verify the figures in the surveys cited?

Unlike the loon websites which make up stats, these survey results are real.

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

LOL - never mind eh, continue to believe in the propaganda and ignore the facts.

BTW, when you quoted the pew survey did you not have the link? Can't you find and verify the figures in the surveys cited?

Unlike the loon websites which make up stats, these survey results are real.

Cheers,
Shafique

That's why the results of two different survey questions are compared. That's what you call ignoring the 'facts'.

Bethsmum

al shafique, you can't rely on polls, it s non sense, even your self you dont speak the truth. what would you say if gallup asked you if you support HAMAS

Silence speaks a million words, Herve.

shafique

Unlike the loon websites which make up stats, these survey results are real.

Percentage of people who said it is sometimes justifiable to target and kill civilians:

Mormon-Americans 64%
Christian-Americans 58%
Jewish-Americans 52%
Israeli Jews 52%
Palestinians* 51%
No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
Nigerians* 43%
Lebanese* 38%
Spanish Muslims 31%
Muslim-Americans 21%
German Muslims 17%
French Muslims 16%
British Muslims 16%
Egyptians* 15%
Indonesians* 13%
Jordanians* 12%
Pakistanis* 5%
Turks* 4%
*refers to Muslims only

Therefore, Muslims in every country are less likely than U.S. Jews and Christians (and Israeli Jews) to believe that it is sometimes justified to target and kill civilians.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/08/surveys-show-muslims-in-every-country-less-likely-to-justify-killing-civilians-than-americans-and-israelis/

No hype, just facts.

Cheers,
Shafique