Ok this is my issue. I moved in to this building in Oct last year, great building, new building excellent crowd, al-barsha. Now what has happened is that they had some 3 bedroom apartments in the building that were not being rented, so they have made a contract with some company and are giving the 3 bedroom units on rent to multiple bachelors, like 16 people in one apartment. Not that anything bad has happened or that they make noise or anything AS YET, but who would want to live in a building like that. We are all paying steep rent and want an enviroment as such, I do not want to live next door to 16 people sharing a 3 bedroom apartment.
Do i have any options, can I complian is this not against the law, do they not have places zoned for single family housing or anything of that sort.
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CANADIANLEAFNATION wrote:Ok this is my issue. Not that anything bad has happened or that they make noise or anything AS YET, but who would want to live in a building like that. Why??What have they done!!! Would you have the guts of putting such a question up in your own country if people were doing this??? God at times I wonder what happens to people once they come to the Middle East?? Why do you become so uptight??
We are all paying steep rent and want an enviroment as such, I do not want to live next door to 16 people sharing a 3 bedroom apartment. WHY?? Arent they paying rent as well??? Or are they living for free???
Do i have any options, can I complian is this not against the law, do they not have places zoned for single family housing or anything of that sort. I cant believe this..Look at what you are saying...You RA###T P####
And now coming back to your question. Yes you can complain to the government. Yes they will be evicted and sent back maybe to the labour jails they call camps...
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Devil's Disciple, that is a highly inappropriate response.
If the apartment is a 3 bedroom place, then only 3 bachelors should be living in it, not 16 squeezed into one apartment. If the whole building is full of bachelors, then that is one thing, but if it is a family building then these bachelors can be disruptive. Noise and hygiene is an issue. Yes, there are zoning rules that prevent bachelors from living in "family only" areas. Perhaps you could contact Dubai Municipality and ask for the right contact to complain.
If the apartment is a 3 bedroom place, then only 3 bachelors should be living in it, not 16 squeezed into one apartment. If the whole building is full of bachelors, then that is one thing, but if it is a family building then these bachelors can be disruptive. Noise and hygiene is an issue. Yes, there are zoning rules that prevent bachelors from living in "family only" areas. Perhaps you could contact Dubai Municipality and ask for the right contact to complain.
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kanelli wrote:Devil's Disciple, that is a highly inappropriate response.
If the apartment is a 3 bedroom place, then only 3 bachelors should be living in it, not 16 squeezed into one apartment. If the whole building is full of bachelors, then that is one thing, but if it is a family building then these bachelors can be disruptive. Noise and hygiene is an issue. Yes, there are zoning rules that prevent bachelors from living in "family only" areas. Perhaps you could contact Dubai Municipality and ask for the right contact to complain.
Wanna bet that DD is a batchelor???
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kanelli wrote:Devil's Disciple, that is a highly inappropriate response.
If the apartment is a 3 bedroom place, then only 3 bachelors should be living in it, not 16 squeezed into one apartment. If the whole building is full of bachelors, then that is one thing, but if it is a family building then these bachelors can be disruptive. Noise and hygiene is an issue.
I agree...Sorry abt that!!! But tell me one thing K...Who give you the right to say how many people can stay in a 3BHK.... Would you make a similar request back home asking ur local gov to tell bachelors to move out just bcus they dont fit into your norm of how many people can stay in an apt???
As per canadian they are not being noisy nor distruptive as for hygiene....they may be cleaner than you or me..
As for S&O..No I am not a bachelor..FYI....But this sort of discrimination now a days is gettin me a bit pi##ed off...
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I have contacted the dubai municipality they are mainly closed today, will follow up tomorrow. Thank You for your help.
This building mainly has families and is in Al-Barsha, which is considered to be one of the decent neighbourhoods in Dubai to say the least.
In response to your comments Devil... Where I come from which is Canada, by now I would have called the police and gotten everyone kicked out as there are zoning laws in Canada UAE has not made me more uptight, I would not have put up with all this nonsense there.
I am not being snobbish, but I am not comfortable with 16 men living next door to my place when I am at work and my wife is alone at home...I think you or anyone could appreciate that sentiment.
I will update if I am successful in my battle against the man, THANK YOU all for your advice...
This building mainly has families and is in Al-Barsha, which is considered to be one of the decent neighbourhoods in Dubai to say the least.
In response to your comments Devil... Where I come from which is Canada, by now I would have called the police and gotten everyone kicked out as there are zoning laws in Canada UAE has not made me more uptight, I would not have put up with all this nonsense there.
I am not being snobbish, but I am not comfortable with 16 men living next door to my place when I am at work and my wife is alone at home...I think you or anyone could appreciate that sentiment.
I will update if I am successful in my battle against the man, THANK YOU all for your advice...
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It is against the municipality laws
it is also unhygenic, it is dangerousand brings down the quality of living for all involved.
DD it is not racist - you are rascist - you are assuming that "bachelors" means a particular nationalty or two. Bachelors simply means single men and I have met Arab nationalities that live many in one place. These too are bachelors.
it is also unhygenic, it is dangerousand brings down the quality of living for all involved.
DD it is not racist - you are rascist - you are assuming that "bachelors" means a particular nationalty or two. Bachelors simply means single men and I have met Arab nationalities that live many in one place. These too are bachelors.
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Thank you Scarlet, I couldn't have said it better.
In my country, 16 people don't share one three bedroom apartment. The rents are not so high and salaries so low that people need to cram themselves into far too small accomodation. I'm suprised that I even have to point that out to you DD, or perhaps you think that every country has the same conditions as Dubai? The controversy in many university towns in my country is landlords who rent their houses out to students in residential areas. The neighbours don't appreciate the noise and filth that comes with three to five students sharing a 3-5 bedroom house next door. A valid complaint don't you think, especially if the students throw lots of parties, have too many people coming and going, and don't maintain the cleanliness of the house and property.
In my country, 16 people don't share one three bedroom apartment. The rents are not so high and salaries so low that people need to cram themselves into far too small accomodation. I'm suprised that I even have to point that out to you DD, or perhaps you think that every country has the same conditions as Dubai? The controversy in many university towns in my country is landlords who rent their houses out to students in residential areas. The neighbours don't appreciate the noise and filth that comes with three to five students sharing a 3-5 bedroom house next door. A valid complaint don't you think, especially if the students throw lots of parties, have too many people coming and going, and don't maintain the cleanliness of the house and property.
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Good luck Canadianleafnation. It is great that you are thinking about your wife, because as a woman I too would be quite uncomfortable trying to come and go and make use of building perks like the gym or pool (if it has those) if there is a disproportionate number of single and lonely males around.
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kanelli wrote: I'm suprised that I even have to point that out to you DD, or perhaps you think that every country has the same conditions as Dubai?The neighbours don't appreciate the noise and filth that comes with three to five students sharing a 3-5 bedroom house next door. A valid complaint don't you think, especially if the students throw lots of parties, have too many people coming and going, and don't maintain the cleanliness of the house and property.
I agree with your filth, disturbance and noise issue with students etc... But what if they are minding their own buinsess, not disturbing anybody?
There are people who are against bachelors/single men staying period. Doesnt matter if it 16 or 6 living in a 3 bhk or whatever....Its just what people become here in dubai...It was just a thoght out loud...K...PEACE...
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This place breeds racism, I actually really liked what you wrote above DD and Scarlet, it is sad people come here and become snobs. by the Canadian's own admission the guys living next door haven't caused him any grief but he'll call and complain and suddenly there will be 16 more homeless people in Dubai. I hope he enjoys it and gets a very loud couple with kids moving in next door as replacements.
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Plus CanadianLeaf, Where did you get Barsha was a nice area from? do a search on here and you'll understand that it ain't your wife's a$$ that you need to be worried about but rather your own. 
On a side note I know of 7 people in Barsha sharing a 3 bedroom, all white, English and Germans. and throughout Barsha has a lot of staff accommodation places, there is one home with 22 girls in the area as well. Sadly with wages the way they are and no affordable housing, this will only get worse.
On a side note I know of 7 people in Barsha sharing a 3 bedroom, all white, English and Germans. and throughout Barsha has a lot of staff accommodation places, there is one home with 22 girls in the area as well. Sadly with wages the way they are and no affordable housing, this will only get worse.
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Fayz: u married?....mmm...have kids?....mmmm...worked really hard till now...just to deserver 16 ppl living next to you? mmmm...
Fayz...mmm
u know nothing...u live a life of a soldier (solo) easy for u to say.
When u become older....wiser...and more responsible....you will know...why you and anyone else...deserves more...deserves theyre right.
Plus Dubai is one of the richest cities in the world....16 ppl in 3 bedroom lol....what a joke.
Fayz...mmm
u know nothing...u live a life of a soldier (solo) easy for u to say.
When u become older....wiser...and more responsible....you will know...why you and anyone else...deserves more...deserves theyre right.
Plus Dubai is one of the richest cities in the world....16 ppl in 3 bedroom lol....what a joke.
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fayz wrote:Plus CanadianLeaf, Where did you get Barsha was a nice area from? do a search on here and you'll understand that it ain't your wife's a$$ that you need to be worried about but rather your own.
Agree with you totally Fayz...LOL- devilsdiciple
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Not_Sure wrote:Fayz: u married?....mmm...have kids?....mmmm...worked really hard till now...just to deserver 16 ppl living next to you? mmmm... - 16 people working their butts off 7 days a week to get mmmm...kicked out just b'cus the guy next door doesnt like them..or what ever??? Would he have made noise if there were 16 women next door....
Plus Dubai is one of the richest cities in the world....16 ppl in 3 bedroom lol....what a joke. Says who my friend...Its like any other city with the HAVES always complaining about the HAVE NOTS.....Come on there are much better issues to worry abt than making people homeless just cus they dont fit into your correct way of livin....
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Fayz, I feel that you are way off track and I don't know why you are banging on about racism again. Canadianleafnation said nothing about race - he complained about a crapload of males sharing one apartment.
It is unacceptable for 16 people to share a 3 bedroom apartment in a family building in Barsha (male or female!). Either the whole building is budget accomodation for bachelors and bachelorettes, or it is a family building. I don't agree that it should be both, especially when the apartment pricing is the same as you find in family areas. I've checked on prices in Barsha and it isn't cheap.
And you are not a woman either. Do you know what it is like to live here as a female with a large population of single men? If the building Canadianleafnation lives in has twenty 3-bedroom apartments (hypothetically), and all become filled with 16 single men living - how comfortable is that really going to be for the minority of women living in the building? You have respect for the local culture where women go out in groups with other women, or a male escort, and they cover up to be modest in order to feel comfortable in public around men. However you seem to think that Canadianleafnation's wife, who perhaps does not follow such customs, should feel perfectly comfortable living amongst a horde of single men in the building with all that that might entail (even if she did follow those customs she'd be uncomfortable!).
It would be interesting to see if you would change your tune if the rest of the 5 bedroom villas on each side of your villa became occupied by 25 bachelors and/or bachelorettes each. You might answer, "Well if they don't disturb us..." but 25 or 16 people living next door will cause disruption eventually. If they are all bachelors your wife will certainly feel uncomfortable.
The municipality has made rules because of problems with overcrowding in buildings and villas in family areas. The were issues of unhygienic conditions, too much traffic, drunkeness and fighting, and inappropriate conduct towards women in the neighbourhood. Perhaps you think it is purely about racism, but I give the municipality more credit than that.
It is unacceptable for 16 people to share a 3 bedroom apartment in a family building in Barsha (male or female!). Either the whole building is budget accomodation for bachelors and bachelorettes, or it is a family building. I don't agree that it should be both, especially when the apartment pricing is the same as you find in family areas. I've checked on prices in Barsha and it isn't cheap.
And you are not a woman either. Do you know what it is like to live here as a female with a large population of single men? If the building Canadianleafnation lives in has twenty 3-bedroom apartments (hypothetically), and all become filled with 16 single men living - how comfortable is that really going to be for the minority of women living in the building? You have respect for the local culture where women go out in groups with other women, or a male escort, and they cover up to be modest in order to feel comfortable in public around men. However you seem to think that Canadianleafnation's wife, who perhaps does not follow such customs, should feel perfectly comfortable living amongst a horde of single men in the building with all that that might entail (even if she did follow those customs she'd be uncomfortable!).
It would be interesting to see if you would change your tune if the rest of the 5 bedroom villas on each side of your villa became occupied by 25 bachelors and/or bachelorettes each. You might answer, "Well if they don't disturb us..." but 25 or 16 people living next door will cause disruption eventually. If they are all bachelors your wife will certainly feel uncomfortable.
The municipality has made rules because of problems with overcrowding in buildings and villas in family areas. The were issues of unhygienic conditions, too much traffic, drunkeness and fighting, and inappropriate conduct towards women in the neighbourhood. Perhaps you think it is purely about racism, but I give the municipality more credit than that.
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I was going to respond but really can't be bothered, both of you should re-read your posts and think about the assumptions you have made, you are both sad and not worth my time.
This thread should be locked, Canadian you got your answer, call the police and have them evicted it is as easy as that.
Like I said in my original post, you're a snob.
I will say this though, yes I do live in an amazing place, 3 floors, ridiculously large, backs on to the water, etc.. we do have 7 people sharing the guards quarters across from us, that place is about 500 sqf, we also do have homeless people that live infront of our sun room outside of our walk out basement, you know what we did we fed them, and you know what they did in return, they helped Mrs. Fayz plant flowers, assuming men will rape or harress women simply because they outnumber women is racism.
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This thread should be locked, Canadian you got your answer, call the police and have them evicted it is as easy as that.
Like I said in my original post, you're a snob.
I will say this though, yes I do live in an amazing place, 3 floors, ridiculously large, backs on to the water, etc.. we do have 7 people sharing the guards quarters across from us, that place is about 500 sqf, we also do have homeless people that live infront of our sun room outside of our walk out basement, you know what we did we fed them, and you know what they did in return, they helped Mrs. Fayz plant flowers, assuming men will rape or harress women simply because they outnumber women is racism.
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Mod, please close this thread as it’ll just end up in fight club.
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Agree with Fayz.Everyone to their own....and what they think is right / wrong...
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Well, I think there's got to be a line drawn somewhere.
16 people sharing a 3 bedroom apartment is inhumane, and landlords should not be taking advantage of the situation by offering these kind of sharing conditions. The landlord is probably renting out these spaces for 1000 dh per month, making a tidy profit, and in general ripping everyone off.
Was there not an article about Beds in the Kitchen on the front of Emirates Today the other day? How different is that from this situation?
Then add the other factors:
* 16 people living together in such a small space is not healthy, either for the people, or the other tenants.
* This is forcing the rent up - the same as 10 people sharing a Villa is forcing the rent up.
* These people are in jobs that are obviously not permitting them to afford decent accommodation, and accommodation is unafordable because of the trade in 'sharing'.
I did the math when I got here. I could rent a 5 bedroom Villa in Al Barsha for 220,000, and then charged each person 4500 a month for a room. Bam - 54000 dh a year thank you. Some people are doing this over 4 to 5 villas - this is their job... their sole income.
And this is one (not the only) factor forcing accommodation up.
If the landlord dropped the rent instead of offering it for gross-oversharing, then the apartments would be full. Greed is driving this, and Greed is everything that is wrong with the world.
I see both points of the story, but the fact is, both the OP and his neighbours are being taken advantage of and forced into a situation that neither of them is happy with.
Me, I enjoy living on my own, but I understand not everyone can afford to do this.
16 people sharing a 3 bedroom apartment is inhumane, and landlords should not be taking advantage of the situation by offering these kind of sharing conditions. The landlord is probably renting out these spaces for 1000 dh per month, making a tidy profit, and in general ripping everyone off.
Was there not an article about Beds in the Kitchen on the front of Emirates Today the other day? How different is that from this situation?
Then add the other factors:
* 16 people living together in such a small space is not healthy, either for the people, or the other tenants.
* This is forcing the rent up - the same as 10 people sharing a Villa is forcing the rent up.
* These people are in jobs that are obviously not permitting them to afford decent accommodation, and accommodation is unafordable because of the trade in 'sharing'.
I did the math when I got here. I could rent a 5 bedroom Villa in Al Barsha for 220,000, and then charged each person 4500 a month for a room. Bam - 54000 dh a year thank you. Some people are doing this over 4 to 5 villas - this is their job... their sole income.
And this is one (not the only) factor forcing accommodation up.
If the landlord dropped the rent instead of offering it for gross-oversharing, then the apartments would be full. Greed is driving this, and Greed is everything that is wrong with the world.
I see both points of the story, but the fact is, both the OP and his neighbours are being taken advantage of and forced into a situation that neither of them is happy with.
Me, I enjoy living on my own, but I understand not everyone can afford to do this.
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Well written Ian, My views on this matter became emotional after reading the 2 fellow Canadian’s posts and all of the incorrect assumptions they made. But hey maybe it’s because I’m a Saddam loving coconut
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I am here representing the landlords.
J/k
Seriously, you have to bring this matter to the owner of the residential building and not to your neighbors. Of course, you have to read very well your contract if there's any article/clause stated that a unit can't be shared with X number of people, or if the building is exclusive for families only, or any prohibitations etc. If there's none, you may suggest to the owner of the building (but i doubt if they'll do such).
There are options you know. Don't just come here and whine.
Do your assignments. 
If there's none and you can't stay in that situation, there are more villas and units available. See classified ads. Don't blame the poor people who can't afford to rent a decent place like your so called standard of living or your own lifestyle.
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Spoke to the dubai municipality they say that the LAWS ARE ONLY for OR VILLAS, according to them there are no restrictions on apartment building. I spoke to a women. I go the number for the rental committee and left them a message.
Will call the police tomorrow and check
Will call the police tomorrow and check
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step back, read your posts in a calm manner, look at all the pot shots and assumptions you made about me.
Look through your threads and look at how many hypocritical posts you've made, look at your inability to answer back on valid points and tell me who scurries.
Listen some of my closest friends, including my best friend is white Canadian so don’t go around making another assumption that I have a hate on for whites now.
The Saddam pot shot was specific to my thread before it was deleted where I said I didn’t believe he should be executed. Your immediately following post was calling people on the thread Saddam Lovers, That really angered me, I have no love for Saddam I’m just Canadian and was raised that the death penalty and an eye for an eye are not the right approach.
I didn’t confront you then and likely I should have. Your also the main reason I don’t venture into the politics forums. You take things to personal and need to separate reality from forum life, If I mention something like anyone who buys an SUV because it is a safer vehicle does not have correct reasoning, because statistically they are not safe vehicles if doesn’t mean I’m singling you out for owning one, you may remember I own one as well.
You need to relax and really take things in context.
Anyway I’m done with this issue.
Look through your threads and look at how many hypocritical posts you've made, look at your inability to answer back on valid points and tell me who scurries.
Listen some of my closest friends, including my best friend is white Canadian so don’t go around making another assumption that I have a hate on for whites now.
The Saddam pot shot was specific to my thread before it was deleted where I said I didn’t believe he should be executed. Your immediately following post was calling people on the thread Saddam Lovers, That really angered me, I have no love for Saddam I’m just Canadian and was raised that the death penalty and an eye for an eye are not the right approach.
I didn’t confront you then and likely I should have. Your also the main reason I don’t venture into the politics forums. You take things to personal and need to separate reality from forum life, If I mention something like anyone who buys an SUV because it is a safer vehicle does not have correct reasoning, because statistically they are not safe vehicles if doesn’t mean I’m singling you out for owning one, you may remember I own one as well.
You need to relax and really take things in context.
Anyway I’m done with this issue.
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Deleted. Thanks for the "lovely" chat on Messenger Fayz (which I initiated of course!). You are so off-base with your judgements that it isn't funny. In any case, I'm glad to finally see the real you, and offload a scaly "friend" who really wasn't a "friend" in the first place.
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Ok I know I am going to get the short end from both K and F but!!!! Guys dont you think that we are moving away from the actual topic and again talking about each other.....
Ok I am ready for the hurtin now..LOL....
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Ok I am ready for the hurtin now..LOL....
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kanelli wrote: In any case, I'm glad to finally see the real you,
Likewise, every word you wrote speaks the quality of person you are, too bad I spent so much time defending you to others, turns out they were right.
and DD, you are right, way off base, looks like Canadian is exercising his rights and moving forward, I stooped to an idiots level and then lost to experience.
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Defending me to other people (like Liban? ), that is hilarious! Your favourite line is that you don't like to talk about others, yeah right! Sitting on the fence is what you do best because you want everyone to like you. Some of your male Muslim friends can lie to their wives, say really racist and harsh things on this forum, and have affairs with married women - but I seem to be the person who faces your harsh judgement of character. Very interesting Fayz... I asked you flat out for examples to prove your claims that I come off as racist, classist and snobby, and you didn't provide anything. I've certainly seen other people on this forum come off as all those things, yet you are as quiet as a mouse. Very interesting indeed... In any case, I have TONS of friends and they never misjudged my character like you have done. I know exactly what kind of person I am and it is not at all what you said about me. Good riddance!
), that is hilarious! Your favourite line is that you don't like to talk about others, yeah right! Sitting on the fence is what you do best because you want everyone to like you. Some of your male Muslim friends can lie to their wives, say really racist and harsh things on this forum, and have affairs with married women - but I seem to be the person who faces your harsh judgement of character. Very interesting Fayz... I asked you flat out for examples to prove your claims that I come off as racist, classist and snobby, and you didn't provide anything. I've certainly seen other people on this forum come off as all those things, yet you are as quiet as a mouse. Very interesting indeed... In any case, I have TONS of friends and they never misjudged my character like you have done. I know exactly what kind of person I am and it is not at all what you said about me. Good riddance!- kanelli
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