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Kanelli, this thread is about muslims, today, not 1400 years ago, who force young girls into marriage and having $ex with baby girls, you read about the thighing $exual practice, it is not made up. An Australian court has barred a teenage girl from going to Lebannon to marry an old fart.
The same happens in the UK, where young girls are forced to be married to muslims.
Now, what do you think about the fact that this never happens in a muslim country, you never hear of a girl going to court to seek protection from being forced to marry a muslim. Why dont you hear about it?
Because there is nothing is sharia law that makes it illegal for a man to have $ex with a child or to marry a baby girl.
It is in Western law, it is a crime. Western laws provide harsh punishment for these sexual offenders.
Where is it in sharia law? show me one article of the sharia law that provides a specific punishment for pedophiles, show me one.
The fact that sharia law does not provide punishment for these crimes is evidence, among many others in the quran, that islam condones forced marriage and Sex with children.
If you dont punish it, you support it. al shafique repeats what is on islamic website, i dont know if you saw it, but EH exposed him already, he caught him duplicating quotes for himself from websites.
I really beleive he has not read the quran, or he does not understand it, and worst, he tries to deceit people about it. kanelli my best advocate, is the quran, in the US when people read the quran they walk away from islam, reading the quran is the best way to understand how appalling it is. if you have not read it, read it.
The double standards, the double language, the morbidity, death, hell, all over, it is di$gusting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaP_sGRs ... re=related

However, the fact still remains - Islam does not condone forced marriages or s.ex outside of marriage.

The rest is loon hype. The video clearly exposes the loon tactics of taking some isolated and condemned practices by some people, and then trying to generalise this to all Muslims or to Islam.

Take Caps major error - his video is of a critique of Khomeni, criticising him for alleged paedophillia - and yet the loons are presenting it as proof Islam condones paedophillia.

Herve's rant is in essence saying 'some Muslims break the rules, therefore Islam is corrupt' - that's the bottom line with loons. When presented with God actually says and what Islam actually teaches, suddenly loons become sheikhs and start preaching about Islam. Except it is the loon version.

Sad really.

Cheers,
Shafique

al shafique....does sharia law provide punishment for pedophiles and for those who force young girls into marriage. please elaborate.

Yes.

The video has references - God clearly states that s.ex outside marriage is forbidden and marriage should only be made/consummated after the parties are of appropriate maturity.

God also clearly states that consent for marriage is required. Therefore forced marriages are not allowed. Again references in video.

Any s.ex outside these parameters are subject to the punishment God has ordained in the Quran.

Cheers,
Shafique

do you think anyone is going to take for granted your "yes"
show us some links and quotes, we know you are confused and a liar, so bring us some proof and specific articles from sharia law which provides punishment for peadophiliacs

How can a 6 years old not consent , are you insane?

See video for full references (and see edit above).

If still confused, let me know which specific reference to Quran, Hadith etc you are having problems understanding.

It is not difficult. God's instructions are quite clear.

Cheers,
Shafique

-- Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:37 am --

Here's the video again, for handy reference:

so if someone rapes your little daughter, you will leave it to god? no punishment for the perpetrator? i knew you were a coward, you just confirmed it
You are incapable to show us an article of sharia law which provides punishment for peadophiliac, therefore muslims condone peadophelia. in a case of peadophelia, nobody gives a $hit of god, how about punishment on earth?
If a woman cheats on her husband, sharia , not god, provides punishment, where is the punishment for peadophelia? are you failing to show us?


..30 min later, still nothing from al shafique, what happened ?, you can't find any article of sharia that provides punishment in case of peadophelia?

No, paedophiles are harshly sentenced.

In Saudi a paedophile was sentenced to crucifixion and beheading:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... esert.html

Is Google not working where you are, or are you just allergic to facts?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:No, paedophiles are harshly sentenced.

In Saudi a paedophile was sentenced to crucifixion and beheading:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... esert.html

Is Google not working where you are, or are you just allergic to facts?

Cheers,
Shafique

You are wrong again, and you misquote an article ....again.....read the article, no where the word peadophelia is mentionned, you put that word in your post trying to spin the debate but you fail, the sicko was beheaded for murder and rape, not peadophelia. These are three different things.
Keep looking, you are too slow al shafique, come on, you were not prepared for that one?
pedophelia, not murder, not rape, we already know about that.

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...al shafique is desperate right now he is googling like crazy. he cant find anything

You are allergic to facts! 'no where is peadophellia mentioned' (sic) - lol. Herve - what is the first word in the headline?

Iran explicitly lists paedophillia as punishable by death (look it up), and Saudi beheads paedophiles who go through with their paedophillia (which is the crime described here). duh.

God is clear - s.ex outside marriage is not allowed. Forced marriages not allowed. No room for paedophillia - and full references given in video above. Why continue to deny the facts herve?

Cheers,
Shafique

God is clear - s.ex outside marriage is not allowed. Forced marriages not allowed. No room for paedophillia - and full references given in video above. Why continue to deny the facts herve?

If it's not allowed, then why is it practiced?

It is very clear, there is no legal age of marriage under Sharia and a girl can be given in marriage as young as the age of one. But marriage can only be lawfully consummated with a girl when she reaches the age of nine.

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah between 1979 and 1989, said in an official statement, which appears in his own book, "Tahrirolvasyleh": (have you read his book al shafique)

"A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. $odomizing the baby is halal (allowed by Sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives, It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.

Also, in June 2008, Saudi marriage official Dr. Ahmad Al Mubi said in an interview aired on LBC TV: There is no minimal age for entering marriage the Prophet Mohammed is the model we follow.
Mohammed supposedly married his wife Aisha when she was six years old and consummated their marriage when she was nine.

Herve, please explain how anything Khomeini said is relevant to what the Quran and Hadith say? As we have seen in many religions, people come up with crazy religious justifications for their deviant actions. Islam is no different than Christianity, Judaism or any other religion in that respect.

The video that Shaf posted clearly states that in this day in age it is not appropriate for children to marry or consummate a marriage as children, because they are not deemed se.xually mature in this day in age at the same time as they were in the past following the criteria and definitions in the Quran, Hadith, and Islamic law.

Shaf also clearly states that s.ex outside of marriage is not allowed and we all know how much that's adhered to, don't we?

^No one disputes that there are Muslims who don't follow what Islam says they should do, just as there are Jews, Christians etc who don't follow all the 10 commandments and other requirements of their religion.

Forced marriages aren't that common - and where they do occur, they do so AGAINST the teachings of Islam, and not because of them. That's the whole big thing point, and has been clearly stated from the first posts on this thread.

What Khomeni is alleged to have said (I'd like to hear what Iranian Shia have to say about these alleged quotes), is only relevant to Shia muslims who believe in his leadership. The majority of Muslims are not Shia and would not follow his rulings. Indeed, remember that the video posted was a critique by Saudis AGAINST Khomeni. (And I'm not shia, and haven't verified the quotes or read them in context - I don't read persian for a start)

The video I linked to above shows clearly what Islam does teach on the subject. Quran and Hadith will trump anything Khomeni is alleged to have said.

Cheers,
Shafique

kanelli wrote:Herve, please explain how anything Khomeini said is relevant to what the Quran and Hadith say? As we have seen in many religions, people come up with crazy religious justifications for their deviant actions. Islam is no different than Christianity, Judaism or any other religion in that respect.

The video that Shaf posted clearly states that in this day in age it is not appropriate for children to marry or consummate a marriage as children, because they are not deemed se.xually mature in this day in age at the same time as they were in the past following the criteria and definitions in the Quran, Hadith, and Islamic law.

Action speaks more than words, muslims can say all day they do not condone forced marriage and $ex with baby girls, it is double language. They say something but do the exact opposite.
"If" the teachings of the quran forbade peadophelia and forced marriage (it does not anyways), there would be provisions in sharia law to punish offenders. There are none what so ever. I challenge you to show me any articles, otherwise your words are like hot air.
Sharia provides punishment for thieves, murderers, adulterers, whatever but none for someone who force a young girl into marriage or having $ex with a child.
In the absence of punishment, one can tell islam condone such practises, I dont care what al shafique , you or any moslem say, today, in any muslim country , a grown man can have $ex with a child and get away with it.
If he does that in the UK or the US, or in Australia, he will be jailed for a long time.
I will point to you, that western laws provide punishments for these offenses.

kanelli wrote:The video that Shaf posted clearly states that in this day in age it is not appropriate for children to marry or consummate a marriage as children, because they are not deemed se.xually mature in this day in age at the same time as they were in the past following the criteria and definitions in the Quran, Hadith, and Islamic law.

Hummmmm.....not appropriate for a muslim?
How about a mass wedding of 450 muslim mens with little girls?

"The International Center for Research on Women now estimates that there are 51 million child brides now living on planet earth and almost all in Muslim countries"

Hamas plays host to pedophelia, 450 grooms wed girls under 10 years old in Gaza.
http://www.bajanreporter.com/2009/11/pa ... edophilia/

Look, the video does explain the differences in se.xual maturity across the ages that might reflect why a marriage or consummation at 9 may have been acceptable back then. What I still have problems with are why the men who are significantly older are allowed to marry such young brides? What would 53 yr old Muhammed have in common with 9 yr old Aysha? It is still warped in my opinion.

In this article they talk about three Indian sisters being married off, 15, 13, and 5. The 5 yr old was being married off to a 10 yr old, and the sisters' grooms were a couple of years older than them. In other examples, the men have been significantly older. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/ ... ney-text/1

The nitty gritty of forced child marriage is that groups of adults are marrying off their kids to tie families together, pay off debts, or simply get another one of their dozens of kids out of the house so that there is one less mouth to feed. Young girls are also married off so that they don't have se.x or get raped out of wedlock and therefore shame their families. It is all an abuse of female and male children, but especially female since they are often married off to significantly older men. People from these cultures that practice child marriage really do shock me. They treat children as possessions which they can do what they please with.

Herve, you focus so much on Islam, but fail to acknowledge that so many other cultures and religions also have high rates of forced child marriage in segments of their societies (e.g. rural segments seem most guilty of this!). They also use religion to support them, like the polygamist Mormons for example.

I'm agreeing that forced child marriage is very wrong, but I see it primarily as a women and children's rights issue, not a religious one.

capsicum wrote:"The International Center for Research on Women now estimates that there are 51 million child brides now living on planet earth and almost all in Muslim countries"

Hamas plays host to pedophelia, 450 grooms wed girls under 10 years old in Gaza.
http://www.bajanreporter.com/2009/11/pa ... edophilia/

OK, that's pretty sick stuff. No matter if it is religious, to pay off a house, to keep it in the family, it boils down to one thing - it's sick $hit. The parents of these children as just as sick for selling off their daughters.

capsicum wrote:Hamas plays host to pedophelia, 450 grooms wed girls under 10 years old in Gaza.
http://www.bajanreporter.com/2009/11/pa ... edophilia/

Are you sure you are correct about that? http://www.hoax-slayer.com/mass-muslim-marriage.shtml



You'll believe any anti-Islamic propaganda out there. That is clear from your posts capsicum.

-- Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:08 pm --

Bora Bora wrote:

capsicum wrote:"The International Center for Research on Women now estimates that there are 51 million child brides now living on planet earth and almost all in Muslim countries"

Hamas plays host to pedophelia, 450 grooms wed girls under 10 years old in Gaza.
http://www.bajanreporter.com/2009/11/pa ... edophilia/

OK, that's pretty sick stuff. No matter if it is religious, to pay off a house, to keep it in the family, it boils down to one thing - it's sick $hit. The parents of these children as just as sick for selling off their daughters.

They didn't. Those weren't the brides.

caps is his own worse enemy. Sheesh!

Cheers,
Shafique

kanelli wrote:

capsicum wrote:Hamas plays host to pedophelia, 450 grooms wed girls under 10 years old in Gaza.
http://www.bajanreporter.com/2009/11/pa ... edophilia/

They didn't. Those weren't the brides.

Deny, deny...and who are they kanelli? you seem to know better than the "Bajan Reporter". any link to support your post or is it just another of your freudian complex.

-- Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:18 pm --

shafique wrote::D

caps is his own worse enemy. Sheesh!

Cheers,
Shafique

How's that al shafique, what do you think of this article, it must tough for you to swallow that, for a hamas supporter and peadophilia advocate.
what is your real name by the way

LOL - were you ever really an intelligence officer herve?

A picture of grooms with bridesmaids was passed off by loons as evidence of paedophillia, and loons like you believed it. Incredible.

Why don't you do some research and see if you can find out my real name. Clue, it begins with shaf and ends with ique.. ..

(BTW - you are looking extremely silly herve, asking kanelli for a link which she has already given above.. there's no fool like a loony fool it seems)

Cheers,
Shafique

I did a research on this article.
The little girls were the bribes, not the bridesmaids, not the pool guy, they may be the cousins though since moslems marry their close relatives.
Then I looked up the picture, I enhanced them and ohhhh look what I found (despite the poor resolution): .........a wedding band. Are bridesmaids usually wear a wedding band al shafique You are so busted al shafique.
And why do you hide behind an avatar, it is because you are a coward al shafique, one of the vilest kind. I write here under my real name, but you don't have that courage.

You are so funny herve - are you being serious, do you really believe this hoax? Tell me you do really believe it.

LOL

I can only imagine how sorry you will be when someone tells you how foolish you are to believe this.

(What's your latest conspiracy theory now.. that I'm not who I say I am? LOL)

Cheers,
Shafique

Of course I beleive it, it has been proven that Islam allows and condones peadophelia . You condone it yourself!
We all know that All muslims strive to follow Muhammad and his example, muhammad was himself a paedophile. That is a fact. He married a 6 years baby girl.

herve wrote:Of course I beleive it

Excellent.

There's no fool like an unrepentant loon who is insisting a hoax is real. I love it.

(And also the fact that my name is indeed Shafique, is going to drive you even more crazy - especially when BM drops you a line and tells you that is my name. LOL)

You've really shown how stupid you are herve. You've excelled yourself this time.

Cheers,
Shafique

We all are waiting for you indisputable evidence to show that it is a hoax, where all these men are actors, and the young girls digital animation, and the wedding band a reflection on the camera lense.

it is all over internet, I just found this article of this moslem who got caught buying an underage bride.

An Emirati man has been arrested in India on suspicion of buying an underage wife he planned to bring back to the UAE to double up as his spouse and housemaid.


http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... m=1&itbs=1

LOL - yeah, herve your brilliant analysis of a wedding band disproves all the evidence in kanelli's link.

Are you drunk?

Do you have any other crazee theories.. perhaps you think I'm a 6 year old girl?

Cheers,
Shafique

no I think you would like to marry a 6 years old girl to follow the example of your master, peadopheliac muhammad.