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Which faith does someone belong to is one thing, none of your bussiness and next time can be considered as reveleaing personal info about a member of DF on the public forum and will be deleted as such.

shafique wrote:

Bora Bora wrote: So, if Sharia law was recognized and practiced in non-Islamic countries, this guy would walk free.

No he wouldn't.

Even the Saudis lock up wife beaters - and they certainly have severe interpretation of Shariah when it comes to women's rights:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3763123.stm
(Unfortunately, it is only on blogs such as Jihadwatch where 'scholars' like Bob Spencer - who hasn't actually read the whole Quran - issue 'fatwas' saying that Islam allows men to batter their wives. In reality the frightening statistic that in Europe one in five women is subject to violence seems to be a feature of all societies around the world.)

Sorry to burst your bubble there Bora.

Cheers,
Shafique

Geez Shaf, did you miss the ? (as in question) mark???? I was actually asking a question, not making a wish. Nor did I post any smilies. I'm not sure what "bubble" you are referring to Shaf. I guess I'm not allowed a serious moment without someone thinking otherwise.

desertdudeshj wrote:Which faith does someone belong to is one thing, none of your bussiness and next time can be considered as reveleaing personal info about a member of DF on the public forum and will be deleted as such.

Ha ha.

Actually, shafique has a history of asking which faith other members are, as well as if they're male or female, come from a single child home, race, nationality and even age.

And religious identity is not personal info, as in, personally identifiable information.

But posting on a forum with your name, occupation and where you've lived is information that is more identifiable than religious identity.

You seriously don't even know what you're talking about, just making it up as you go along, aren't you, Mr. Bigshot Moderator?

can be considered as reveleaing personal info about a member of DF on the public forum

But revealing where I and another member live isn't?

New rules mate and shaken on

Flying Dutchman wrote:

desertdudeshj wrote:Anyways fine I'll go along for now a little tighter control and editing, but that does mean everybody has to be civil. No MUD SLINGING personal or otherwise. Discussion and arguments will be allowed but just pointless bashing without any actual points being made and plain propaganda won't, will be edited or plain deleted and no arguments and crying foul when done so, total discrection of the mods. Similar threads on same topics will bunched up toghter or split vice versa and I can personaly do this in section I am mod only. Lets see how it goes

Deal ?

Sure dude.

If you don't like them move along. If you continue to whine, thread will either be locked or deleted

Bora Bora wrote:

shafique wrote:

Bora Bora wrote: So, if Sharia law was recognized and practiced in non-Islamic countries, this guy would walk free.

No he wouldn't.
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Geez Shaf, did you miss the ? (as in question) mark???? I was actually asking a question, not making a wish.

Sorry, Bora - I did see the question marks in the previous sentences, but it was the sentence above that I was responding to.

Sharia is indeed based on the Quran and in the various threads about what the Quran says about treatment of spouses and whether the crime this guy is accused of is allowed in Islam or not, this has been discussed to death.

But in response to your specific point (which I didn't take to be a question - but which you imply was) - I hope I have clarified that under Shariah law a guy guilty of the crimes described would not walk free.

Cheers,
Shafique

desertdudeshj wrote:Soap box lady clearly has no idea whats shes talking about.

Did you get an on-line masters degree to become a grease monkey?

DDS I have to say you are probably one of the most miserable people on DF. Negative, negative, negative. Poor you (in many ways).

Move along.

So Bora - just to clarify the other point I made - it is only Islamophobic websites that say Islam teaches that this kind of crime is ok in Islam.

Muslim scholars and indeed anyone reading the Quran in totality all agree that this is not the case. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating - where Shariah is the law of the land, those committing the crime described in the OP are locked up and even lashed.

What is funny though, is when non-Muslim bloggers insist that they know more about the Quran than Muslims and Islamic scholars.

Cheers,
Shafique

Excellent point, This phenomenon is not only restricted to bloggers, but also includes a vast majority of anti-islamic writers and tv personalities, eg- Wafa Sultan

Here's a good thread on the Muslim perspective of wife beating:

dubai-politics-talk/wife-beating-the-muslim-perspective-t39819.html

What's interesting to note, though, was that this cleric justified his wife beating based on the clear passage of the Koran.

-- Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:46 pm --

Edit: It looks like my thread; UAE - Men can up their wives (legally) !!!, (it's still on the bottom of this page) has been deleted by the mods.

Otherwise, I would have linked to that in this thread.

zubber wrote:Excellent point, This phenomenon is not only restricted to bloggers, but also includes a vast majority of anti-islamic writers and tv personalities, eg- Wafa Sultan

Wafa shares much with the bloggers - a wilful misinterpretation of Islamic texts and a wilfully ignoring of Quranic exegesis.

But their favourite tactic is to quote texts and snippets out of context - or to look up minority opinions and insinuate that this is the 'orthodox' view.

Cheers,
Shafique

Thank you Shaf. The same could be said about non-Muslims and non-practicing Muslims who probably never read the Koran. I am a believer that smart people ask questions and know that there isn't always one answer; it's the ignorant ones who don't ask, but think they have the answers.

Bora - you're welcome. Apologies again for misreading your post - sometimes it is too easy to read emotions/motives not intended into posts.

I always welcome questions.. sometimes to a fault!

Edit (oh - and I agree - there are indeed many Muslims who are ignorant of some aspects of their religion..)

Cheers,
Shafique

Bora Bora wrote:.....The same could be said about non-Muslims and non-practicing Muslims who probably never read the Koran. I am a believer that smart people ask questions and know that there isn't always one answer; it's the ignorant ones who don't ask, but think they have the answers.

RIGHT ON ! Bora

desertdudeshj wrote:New rules mate and shaken on

Flying Dutchman wrote:

desertdudeshj wrote:Anyways fine I'll go along for now a little tighter control and editing, but that does mean everybody has to be civil. No MUD SLINGING personal or otherwise. Discussion and arguments will be allowed but just pointless bashing without any actual points being made and plain propaganda won't, will be edited or plain deleted and no arguments and crying foul when done so, total discrection of the mods. Similar threads on same topics will bunched up toghter or split vice versa and I can personaly do this in section I am mod only. Lets see how it goes

Deal ?

Sure dude.

If you don't like them move along. If you continue to whine, thread will either be locked or deleted

Forgot to mention that those "rules" don't apply to you Mr Moderator.

Oh, look mommy, I'm flexing my muscles.

I hate to step into the middle of this fight (my money is on Bora) - but here's a long thread on the topic about what whether the Quran says it is ok to beat up one's wife or not:

philosophy-dubai/wife-beating-the-koran-split-from-politics-forum-t41127.html

..now back to the main bout..


Cheers,
Shafique

This might be a little bit out of context, But Zead Ramadan's points are very well presented . WARNING - There is a comedy segment against a few religions, so if your sensitive dont watch it.

Anything more off topic is going to the bin.

Zead does have a point zubber..

The mistaken view that the crime committed by the Muslim in the OP is condoned by Islam is indeed spread by the same guys who are going around and insisting Obama is a Muslim.

The amazing thing is that 20% of Americans believe this - so I guess it is a good assumption that even more believe the fanciful interpretations about Islam. I mean, if one in five Americans believe Obama may not be an American born Christian, but that there is a conspiracy to conceal his 'true religion' ... well.

Pam Geller and Bob Spencer are at the forefront of bloggers who are Islamophobic - and both have come out and spoken their minds on the topic of Obama's religion. Spencer's own site proudly has him answering this question:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/spenc ... uslim.html

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon wrote:Here's a good thread on the Muslim perspective of wife beating:

dubai-politics-talk/wife-beating-the-muslim-perspective-t39819.html

What's interesting to note, though, was that this cleric justified his wife beating based on the clear passage of the Koran.

-- Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:46 pm --

Edit: It looks like my thread; UAE - Men can up their wives (legally) !!!, (it's still on the bottom of this page) has been deleted by the mods.

Otherwise, I would have linked to that in this thread.

I don't think it is deleted, maybe its in Fight Club?

kanelli wrote:

event horizon wrote:Here's a good thread on the Muslim perspective of wife beating:

dubai-politics-talk/wife-beating-the-muslim-perspective-t39819.html

What's interesting to note, though, was that this cleric justified his wife beating based on the clear passage of the Koran.

-- Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:46 pm --

Edit: It looks like my thread; UAE - Men can up their wives (legally) !!!, (it's still on the bottom of this page) has been deleted by the mods.

Otherwise, I would have linked to that in this thread.

I don't think it is deleted, maybe its in Fight Club?

The page says it was deleted:

dubai-politics-talk/uae-men-can-beat-their-wives-legally-t43855.html

Because there was a thread about the same subject posted in general chat before you. By chocs. Dual thread. You would know that if you ever actually participated in this forum other than posting your baised tripe.

Yes please go start another thread moaning and whining about the same, as usual

dubai-chat/disgusting-uae-court-rules-domestic-discipline-t43793.html?hilit=thenational.ae#p351479