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Looks like it bothers you, though

Bora Bora wrote:

DearJohn wrote:Immigration exists in every country and has proved beneficial in all cases.

If you are talking about immigrating to a country where you can apply for citizenship, that is not the case with every country. As for it being beneficial, that may have been the case 100 years ago, maybe even 50 years ago, but not in the present.

In places where it is causing social problems I agree but as whole still provides benefits where it is needed. Countries like Australia and Canada have over the last few years been promoting immigration of skilled workers. I think Toronto got the prize as the most culturally diverse city on the planet.

Flying Dutchman wrote:

DearJohn wrote:Immigration exists in every country and has proved beneficial in all cases.

Thats a very bold statement DJ!

Yes I suppose it is but I feel that immigration when measured as whole has been more beneficial than bad for all countries. You only need to look across music, arts, sports and even cuisine to see its benefits which every society has derived.

DearJohn wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

DearJohn wrote:Immigration exists in every country and has proved beneficial in all cases.

If you are talking about immigrating to a country where you can apply for citizenship, that is not the case with every country. As for it being beneficial, that may have been the case 100 years ago, maybe even 50 years ago, but not in the present.

In places where it is causing social problems I agree but as whole still provides benefits where it is needed. Countries like Australia and Canada have over the last few years been promoting immigration of skilled workers. I think Toronto got the prize as the most culturally diverse city on the planet.

Flying Dutchman wrote:

DearJohn wrote:Immigration exists in every country and has proved beneficial in all cases.

Thats a very bold statement DJ!

Yes I suppose it is but I feel that immigration when measured as whole has been more beneficial than bad for all countries. You only need to look across music, arts, sports and even cuisine to see its benefits which every society has derived.

I don't understand how countries that have thousands upon thousands of citizens unemployed can't find qualified people within their own country to fill jobs, Aside from the fact that outsiders work on a limited contract as opposed to a citizen where no contract exists, do employers get tax breaks by hiring from the outside?

While on vacation in the states, I had a conversation with a woman who was from Canada. They certainly have their problems with immigration - legal and illegal, but it is not as widely known as that of the UK and the US. There is great resentment in Canada over the immigration problem and it appears that Canada's welfare system is just as generous as the UK, if not more so. Many Canadians would like to see a cutback on immigration and something done about the illegals. She said that in her company they are not allowed to use the word "Christmas" but have to refer to it as a "holiday" so as to be political correct and not to offend the sensibilities of non-Christians. Yet, they also have to work around someone who leaves meetings or stops working so that he can pray. She, as a Canadian, thinks like many a Brit and American - why does a country have to make so many changes to accommodate people who immigrated, rather than immigrants making changes to fit into the society they chose to live in?

I don't think music, arts, sports and cuisine are benefits to a nation. Exactly what is the percentage of those benefits and how do they contribute to making a country better or stronger??

The US is having is own problem of keeping the burger and fries as the national dish from being replaced with tacobobs.

Bora Bora wrote:I don't understand how countries that have thousands upon thousands of citizens unemployed can't find qualified people within their own country to fill jobs, Aside from the fact that outsiders work on a limited contract as opposed to a citizen where no contract exists, do employers get tax breaks by hiring from the outside?

I think thats a very good question in this economic climate. I don't think its because of tax breaks but rather the "skill" that they would bring. From my understanding (and I could be wrong) immigration to Canada and Australia (the only two developed states that are still encouraging it) are not for people to flip burgers but doctors, engineers, etc from developing countries such as India, Malaysia, etc.

Bora Bora wrote:While on vacation in the states, I had a conversation with a woman who was from Canada. They certainly have their problems with immigration - legal and illegal, but it is not as widely known as that of the UK and the US. There is great resentment in Canada over the immigration problem and it appears that Canada's welfare system is just as generous as the UK, if not more so. Many Canadians would like to see a cutback on immigration and something done about the illegals. She said that in her company they are not allowed to use the word "Christmas" but have to refer to it as a "holiday" so as to be political correct and not to offend the sensibilities of non-Christians. Yet, they also have to work around someone who leaves meetings or stops working so that he can pray. She, as a Canadian, thinks like many a Brit and American - why does a country have to make so many changes to accommodate people who immigrated, rather than immigrants making changes to fit into the society they chose to live in?

I think it always causes social problems particularly if the immigrants don't integrate. Integration itself always takes time sometimes generations and if there are immigrant communities then integration is a lot slower causing more social problems. Political correctness has gone completely nuts in my opinion.

Bora Bora wrote:I don't think music, arts, sports and cuisine are benefits to a nation. Exactly what is the percentage of those benefits and how do they contribute to making a country better or stronger??

I think they are benefits but I have no way on how it should be measured.
Generally immigrants get a very bad wrap on stealing benefits and jobs but I am not that convinced.
http://www.immigrationforum.org/images/ ... dFacts.pdf

Bora Bora wrote:The US is having is own problem of keeping the burger and fries as the national dish from being replaced with tacobobs.

The curry has been the most popular dish in the UK for some time. No reason for it to be fish & chips if more people prefer curry.

herve wrote:

shafique wrote:But just one point of correction - I've never said I don't support British troops. My dad was in the Territorials and my uncles fought in the British Army in WW2. BM knows this and is now ranting. Indeed, I once asked her whether she hated the Muslim English soldiers serving in the army today.. the back pedal was stunning.

Cheers,
Shafique

al shafique...it s not that you never said you don't support British troops, you are too hypocrite to admit it, it's that you never said anything to support them.

Oh dear, herve is having a rant and is about to be punked - yet again.

Herve, your memory is letting you down again. You once asked me about the British troops and I replied that I would indeed fight along side them - if that isn't supporting them, tell me what is? :

yes, I'd fight alongside the other British soldiers - just like the Muslim soldiers who are in the British Army right now, and those who have laid down their lives in the Mid East already.

dubai-politics-talk/arab-league-full-membership-for-palestine-t46484.html#p378327

There are other examples to BM where I expressed my support for our troops. And as for your imagining I bashed the troops - well, I guess there are strange realities in your imagination. Being critical of our foreign policy and politicians is different from bashing troops. If you were English, you'd know that.

Fail. Again.

Cheers,
Shafique

oh , I remember what you said, I just don't beleive you.
Did you swear allegiance to the UK, or would you? Eventhough I still would not beleive you, because moslems are allowed to lie out of necessity, you proved it once.

herve, you've been punked. You didn't say that you didn't believe me - you said that I'd never expressed support for British troops.

herve wrote:you never said anything to support them.

You admit now that you lied.

herve wrote:oh , I remember what you said, I just don't beleive you.

herve - you must tell us when you're describing your fantasy world and when you're on planet earth.

It would make it much easier for us to reply - it appears in your fantasy world that all Muslims are terrorists and lie when they disagree with your view of Islam.

Back on planet earth, we read and understand what people actually write.

Cheers,
Shafique

Shafique has already said he supports the Ummah equally as his own countrymen. Which means that if there's a conflict between Muslims and Britain, shafique's rooting for the Islamists.

I said I view my religion and my nationality equally. What's wrong with that?

42% of American Christians say they are Christian first. If we ever find out what eh's new religion is - then we can ask him whether he's one of the 42% Christians who put their religion above their nationality.

(Oh, eh isn't going to give us a lecture about the loon version of Islam is he? That would be fun.)

But herve has been caught lying, so it is no surprise that fellow loon eh is trying to help out.

Cheers,
Shafique

Yes, you've said you support the Ummah as much as 'your' homeland.

And you said you support hamas.
You can't support British troops and hamas at the same time.

LOL - you're dreaming (again) herve and have been caught out in one lie already. Do you want to go for another lie?

If so, please quote me saying what you accuse me of, and show how that equals not supporting our troops. I absolutely did support the winner of the 2006 Israel/Lebanon war - but that wasn't Hamas, and did not involve British troops. I've never voted for any Palestinian political party, but do oppose the Israeli Military occupation - again, these don't involve British troops.

Give us facts, not fiction - herve.

Cheers,
Shafique

al shafique.
I did not lie, let me repeat: YOU DO NOT SUPPORT BRITISH TROOPS
it takes a little more than "yeah I support UK troops" to convince anybody. you are deceitful, but many on DF don't buy it.
You are a supporter of hamas, a terrorist organization, period, from there, anything you say is questionable.
If a conflict involved British troops against muslims in the ME, I would not wish US soldiers to have you behind their back.

You lied. Period.

Now you're going for another lie.

As I said, facts, not fiction.

Cheers,
Shafique

herve wrote:al shafique.
You are a supporter of hamas, a terrorist organization, .

Israel is a terrorist state occupying Palestine for 60 years. I don't see you object on this kind of terrorism.

The perfect western approach of double standards

Man, Herve really has a major crush on you Shaf !

And yes you support Israel and the IDF one of IF not the biggest terrorist organisation and war criminal, but ofcourse will just hear more fanatical and fantastical drivel from you.

Your strawmen, loon fantasies, trying to dig up dirt and the funniest of all passing judgement on Islamic matters on shaf, spending hours studying posting patterns just makes even more desperate and pathetic than you really are.

Boy your awfully thin skinned for a supposed military man, oh but there is a reason why even google suggest french military defeats than victories ! LOOOOOOL !!!

LOL

Hervey baby - I'm still struggling to see how your fantasy about a Palestinian political party fits in with your theory that I don't support UK troops.

Did they not teach you geography in the French intelligence service? Or perhaps do you think anyone opposing the Israeli Military Occupation is opposing the British Armed Forces?? The last time I looked, it wasn't our boys who were occupying Palestinian land. WTF herve - you seem to have lost it big time this time.

(And I'm still waiting to see your quote about me supporting Hamas. We have your quotes denying Israeli terror groups are terrorists - even though the Occupying forces called them a terror centre.)

Facts herve, not fantasies.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:LOL - you're dreaming (again) herve and have been caught out in one lie already. Do you want to go for another lie?

If so, please quote me saying what you accuse me of, and show how that equals not supporting our troops. I absolutely did support the winner of the 2006 Israel/Lebanon war - but that wasn't Hamas, and did not involve British troops. I've never voted for any Palestinian political party, but do oppose the Israeli Military occupation - again, these don't involve British troops.

Give us facts, not fiction - herve.

Cheers,
Shafique

Why! Shafique! Stop telling porkie pies! You do not support our troops, you make that quite clear from the things you avoid saying. You litttle liar, you. Shame on you!
All you harp on about is your dad being in the territorials (pan basher?) and the Muslim soldiers involved in WW2
What about the Iraq/Afghan campaign? Do you support our heros in that campagn? Would you contribute to the 'Help For Heroes' charity?

A very intresting article

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Current-Affa ... c00590bdb9

BM - stop it with your fantasies.

Of course I'd contribute to 'Help for Heroes' charity. I make a clear distinction between our troops who have to fight and the politicians who send them there.

Your fantasies are getting weirder by the day BM. You seem to be confusing my opposition to the Israeli Military Occupation force with our troops.

Cheers,
Shafique

And you were hoping what from windbag Shaf ? Something logical or something that made sense ? But now herve has competetion for your affections !

Windbag loves cross dressing french man, Windbag also loves you, while cross dressing french man also loves you. Both of them love John aswell because they see you in him because if they can't have you the'll settle for the next best thing ! Boy what a complicated love triangle, or would this be a square ! LOL

Join us tommorow for the next episode of Deseperate Windbags !

It hurts to be the 2nd choice

Form a queue boys! Behind Herve.

I can telll you"re all used to sloppy seconds

And who said you didn't have class.

Bethsmum wrote:What about the Iraq/Afghan campaign? Do you support our heros in that campagn? Would you contribute to the 'Help For Heroes' charity?

Heros? LOL
Ones that were forced to leave home to kill civilians, because their own western nation's demands (protests against war) were simply ignored as per the western democracy

You seem to have a lot of fantasies

DearJohn wrote:And who said you didn't have class.

Everything's left at the door when you enter DF sunshine! I thought you would have got that after so many years posting on this forum.

I wouldn't call it particularly classy to mock the afflicted either!

Bethsmum wrote:Everything's left at the door when you enter DF sunshine!

Apparently as you are offering up sloppy seconds. No thank you BTW.

Bethsmum wrote:I wouldn't call it particularly classy to mock the afflicted either!

Did I mock you? I think I just responded to your insults. Whats your affliction anyway? Apart from the obvious lack of common sense. FYI losing your temper and offending people can not be considered an affliction.

DearJohn wrote:

Bethsmum wrote:Everything's left at the door when you enter DF sunshine!

Apparently as you are offering up sloppy seconds. No thank you BTW.

Bethsmum wrote:I wouldn't call it particularly classy to mock the afflicted either!

Did I mock you? I think I just responded to your insults. Whats your affliction anyway? Apart from the obvious lack of common sense. FYI losing your temper and offending people can not be considered an affliction.

I don't remember offering you anything. What I said was that you were used to sloppy seconds when you said you didn't like being second best.
I was refering to your alter ego insulting my daughter.

Cheers
BM

Ah right, so you were offering it up to Herve but just insinuating that we would like sloppy seconds. Gotcha.

Where is Herve BTW? Its quite disappointing that he has not followed up his Al Shafique aka DearJohn investigation at all. What about you Clouseau - any progress?