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chevaliers-de-sion · Jun 26, 2010

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event horizon · Jun 26, 2010

Also, judging by the numbers of prisoners in Holland, it is a pretty good bet that rednecks and other non-Muslims in prison in eh's home state form a greater proportion of their respective populations than of Moroccans in Dutch prisons (the one's that haven't been closed due to a shortage of offenders, that is). But I now know better than to ask eh to look up stats!

Uh oh.

Perhaps you didn't read what FD wrote - more than *half* of Moroccans living in the Netherlands under the age of 22 have a criminal record.

According to what the internet sez, a third of that group are repeat offenders.

So, no. I don't think that 'rednecks' are statistically more likely to be in jail or prison than Dutch citizens of African ancestry.

You can read a lengthy and informative post on the findings of Dutch researchers below:

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2010/ ... crime.html

The article is too long to copy-paste, but it does show that Dutch citizens of Moroccan origin are much more likely to be in trouble with the law than ethnic Dutch citizens.

Over to you to show that a larger percentage of 'rednecks' in the US have a criminal record than Dutch Moroccans.

shafique · Jun 27, 2010

This according to the Dutch National Police (KLPD) in a study on Moroccan criminals in the Netherlands, which had not been made public until now. In total, 14,462 Moroccan criminals were included in the study, in the 181 municipalities with five or more Moroccan criminals. They make up 8.1% of the 177,487 known criminals in these places. The number of ethnic Dutch criminals is 101,437, or 57.1% of the total. Formally, the study is only about suspects: people on whom the public prosecution received a file and for which the police is 'convinced that they've committed a certain crime'.

In absolute number, Amsterdam has the most Moroccan criminals: 2,497 of a total of 14,844 arrested criminals. Taking into consideration the total population, the KLPD made up a classification of the 'gravity of the Moroccan problem'. Amsterdam is in first place, Gouda second and Utrecht third. Culemborg is in 14th place, Zaltbommel in 35th. Taking into account recidivism (the average number of crimes per Moroccan suspect aged 12 to 24), Gouda has the largest Moroccan problem nationally: the 332 suspects in Gouda commit on average 1.4 crimes a year. Using this classification, Utrecht is runner-up, the Hague is 3rd and Culemborg is in 10th place.
...

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2010/ ... crime.html

Numbers dear, eh, numbers. If you click on the link it gives the numbers of Morrocans who have criminal records. Given that there are in total about 350,000 Morrocans in Holland, we can work out the %'s.

Total number of Morrocan criminals = 14,844
Total number of ethnic dutch criminals = 101,437

% of Morrocans who criminals = 14,462 / 350,000 = 4.2%

So, now we have to compare this with the numbers of rednecks in your state and the numbers of rednecks with criminal records, and work out that %. Why don't you just do quick survey of your redneck friends with criminal records and divide by the total number of redneck friends you have.

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Jun 27, 2010

Sigh, there is a difference between a criminal and someone with a criminal record.

More than fifty percent of Moroccans who are at least 22 yo have a criminal record.

As far as the demographic breakdown of criminals in the Netherlands, it's interesting to note that Moroccans make up more than eight percent of the number of active criminals - while they are only two percent of the population.

In other words, Moroccans are greatly over represented in certain strata of Moroccan society.

Who says that multiculturalism doesn't work?

Flying Dutchman · Jun 27, 2010

shafique wrote:Total number of Morrocan criminals = 14,844
Total number of ethnic dutch criminals = 101,437

Err..the total of arrested Moroccans in a year is by no means the total amount of ethnic Moroccan criminals.

Also third generation Moroccans were considered ethnic Dutch in the study. There is a difference between a Moroccan national and an ethnic Moroccan. The study did try to take that into account, but did not succeed completely.
In Utrecht 80% of the crime is committed by ethnic Moroccans, while they make up 8,5% of the local population.

The latest however, purely based on ethnicity, shows the majority of Moroccan youth in Holland have a criminal record.

Contrary to what your previous posted link implies, the amount of convicted criminals in Dutch prisons is still growing.

shafique · Jun 27, 2010

The data appeared to be the total numbers of criminals, not just those arrested in 2007.

FD - did you confirm that 8 prisons were closed last year because of a lack of criminals in Netherlands? Did you also confirm that the Halaal food issue was a cost cutting measure?

Anyway, I'm feeling generous today - when eh calculates the criminality rates amongst his redneck neighbours, let us exclude all the cases of incest - just to make it a fair fight!

shafique · Jun 27, 2010

event horizon wrote:As far as the demographic breakdown of criminals in the Netherlands, it's interesting to note that Moroccans make up more than eight percent of the number of active criminals - while they are only two percent of the population.

Therefore in Holland, 92% of the criminals are not Morrocan. Nationality is only one factor when it comes to crime - a bigger factor is the level of income and prospects. When you standardise for these factors, you will find that the Morrocans are no different from other groups within the 92% of criminals.

If you look at professional dutch people - and compare the criminality rates amongst Morrocan Dutch professionals (doctors, teachers, lawyers etc) with their non-Morrocan Dutch professional peers, you'll find that there's not difference between the groups.

Look at other groups who are in effective ghettos and where youth are going around gangs, and you'll find higher rates of crime.

But, let's put all this in context. In Holland, they are closing prisons.

And overall the crime rate is one of the lowest in the world (eg they have about 12,000 prisoners in a population of 16 million, whilst California has a prison population of over 170,000 with a population of about double that of Holland).

I therefore refer you back to my initial statements about loon exagerations.

Cheers,
Shafique

Flying Dutchman · Jun 27, 2010

shafique wrote:The data appeared to be the total numbers of criminals, not just those arrested in 2007.

The number 14,844 is ONLY from the year 2007. So yes, it are those arrested in 2007.

shafique wrote:When you standardise for these factors, you will find that the Morrocans are no different from other groups within the 92% of criminals.

If you look at professional dutch people - and compare the criminality rates amongst Morrocan Dutch professionals (doctors, teachers, lawyers etc) with their non-Morrocan Dutch professional peers, you'll find that there's not difference between the groups.

Nope, figures show that Morocanns actions do not comply with that logic at all. There is something 'special' about Moroccan culture. That's why there are decoy jews in Amsterdam-West and decoy grannies in Gouda.

I will repeat myself again, the amount of convicted criminals in prisons is rising. Despite that 8 prisons are supposed to be closed. The total amount of prison population consist of convicted criminals and suspects waiting there trial (not convicted yet). The first one is growing, the latter declining. Punishment with civil duties alse becomes more and more popular.
Also, the overall crime rate or prison population doesn't say a thing about the problems Moroccans cause.

event horizon · Jun 27, 2010

Take it easy on shafique.

Google must have a bug or something - so he can't pontificate up to his full potential today.

What is interesting is that Moroccans make up at least eight percent of the total criminal population even though they are only two percent of the total population of the Netherlands.

Therefore in Holland, 92% of the criminals are not Morrocan. Nationality is only one factor when it comes to crime - a bigger factor is the level of income and prospects. When you standardise for these factors, you will find that the Morrocans are no different from other groups within the 92% of criminals.

Well, assuming this is true, your point is meaningless when we take into account that Moroccans are only two percent of the overall population!

It's also interesting to note what FD has pointed out, O wise one. Do you think poverty or 'ghettoization' is the reason that Moroccan youth single out Jews for attack?

Flying Dutchman · Jun 27, 2010

event horizon wrote:What is interesting is that Moroccans make up at least eight percent of the total criminal population even though they are only two percent of the total population of the Netherlands.

Because of recent studies the problem appears to be much larger. For years the PC left brigade blocked studies based an ethnicity, only nationality. Now, even the left acknowledges there is a huge problem and it has be charted. The study showing that 54% of Moroccan youth has a criminal record is only the tip of the ice berg. More in depth studies show for example that 70% of Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals.
Overall figures about Holland, also don't do justice to Morroccans terrorizing certain cities/neighborhoods with a large Morrocan population. Amsterdam-West, Utrecht, Gouda are just a few examples.

shafique · Jun 28, 2010

We all now agree that 92% of criminals in Holland are not Moroccan, and FD confirmed that 8 prisons were indeed closed last year (but he says crime is increasing, never-the-less).

The Dutch police are dressing up as grannies, prostitutes and now Jews - and FD blames the dark skinned dutch people. Hmm.

As for the study showing 54%, :

Some 54% of Dutch Moroccan youths have come into contact with the police, compared with 23% of young men in general, according to research published in a criminology magazine.

Just 5% of girls have been quizzed about a crime, but 13% of girls with a Moroccan background have been questioned, the researchers say.

The researchers say it is not clear why Moroccan Dutch youth should be so over-represented in the figures, but say their low social economic status and cultural aspects could play a role.

They also point to Belgian research which indicates police are more likely to question immigrant youths than white natives.

The researchers do not say how many of the youths questioned by police are actually convicted of a crime.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... r_repr.php

So, this 54% is people stopped by police and not criminals, and may actually reflect bias by the police. Tut tut tut - FD, what did I tell you about loon exageration?

This comment to the article is interesting:

Is this a reflection of the criminality of Dutch Moroccan youth, or the prejudice of the police (and society)? I would think the latter.

The following extract from the Financial Times Deutchland is interesting;
"The sad reality is: the liberal multicultural Netherlands, in which everyone can live how -- and smoke what -- they want, is largely a foreign myth. The economic crisis has only strengthened and made visible the actually conservative and at times narrow-minded tendencies in the society."

It appears that not all Dutch people share your views of the Moroccans FD - and is rather pointing the finger at the prejudice that you have demonstrated in this thread.

Cheers,
Shafique

Flying Dutchman · Jun 28, 2010

shafique wrote:We all now agree that 92% of criminals in Holland are not Moroccan

No.

shafique wrote:So, this 54% is people stopped by police and not criminals

Nope, its 54% having a criminal record. And this number is most probably the tip of the ice-berg.

As for playing the prejudice/racist card, this of course in no surprise. FYI, Deutchland is Germany, not Holland. So having a problem with people foaming:

Belgiummoroccan" wrote:we muslims are taking over europe.there is even a shari'a court.what a blessing from ALLAH.alhamdulilah!

This forum member is from Belgium but you can hear the same thing from Moroccans in Holland.

“Dirty Jew, go back to your own country,”

"Too bad Hitler didn't kill you, but allah will slaughter you all"

Or greating jews with a nazi-salute (which Shaffy doesn't consider anti-semitic btw).

...is considered racist. :roll:

shafique · Jun 28, 2010

The only hard evidence you've presented is that 92% of criminals aren't Morrocan and the only reference I could find for your 54% figure was as in my previous post.

What is it like to live an alternative reality to the rest of us FD?

It is interesting to note that the suggestion for police to act as decoys was raised by a Moroccan Dutch politician

Also, a justice minister had this to say:

The number of instances of reported anti-Semitism in Amsterdam rose in 2009 from the previous year, according to government data, from 17 to 41. Discrimination cases on the basis of skin color or country of origin rose from 232 to 336 in the same period, while anti-gay cases rose to 89 from 55.

But those rises may reflect a public campaign encouraging people to report hate crimes. Hirsch Ballin told parliament Thursday police had seen no real increase in anti-Semitism.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100625/ap_on_re_eu/eu_netherlands_decoy_jews/print;_ylt=AkZZmwSXMVTthqDjpuhrLZtbbBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTBycjdqNWs0BHBvcwMxNQRzZWMDYm90dG9tBHNsawNwcmludA

Cheers,
Shafique

Flying Dutchman · Jun 28, 2010

If more than 10% (if second generation Moroccans are counted in the number is higher of course) of the prison population in Moroccan, it doesn't mean around 90% of criminals in Holland are not Moroccan. Not all criminals are convicted to prison, only 20% of crime in Holland is solved and 50,000 criminals are currently at large.
And indeed more in depth studies show the problem with Moroccan crime is way bigger. Most people donot try to obscure that fact anymore, including the mayor of Rotterdam, Ahmed Marcouch. He realizes the law-abiding Moroccans also suffer from the actions of the majority of Moroccans. A very small minority however still thinks we should build a camp fire and sing Kumbaya with nazi-saluting granny robbers. Good thing the Moroccans on the good side of law, like Ahmed Marcouch, don't think this is the way handle them anymore. Good thing, they also consider saluting jews with a nazi-salute is anti-semitic.

shafique · Jun 28, 2010

This according to the Dutch National Police (KLPD) in a study on Moroccan criminals in the Netherlands, which had not been made public until now. In total, 14,462 Moroccan criminals were included in the study, in the 181 municipalities with five or more Moroccan criminals. They make up 8.1% of the 177,487 known criminals in these places. The number of ethnic Dutch criminals is 101,437, or 57.1% of the total. Formally, the study is only about suspects: people on whom the public prosecution received a file and for which the police is 'convinced that they've committed a certain crime'.

'known criminals' does not equal 'prisoners'.

92% of known criminals are not Moroccan according to the Dutch Police.

Cheers,
Shafique

Flying Dutchman · Jun 28, 2010

* sigh *

The total amount of arrested Morrocans in 2007, by no means is the total of Moroccans criminals.

shafique · Jun 28, 2010

Flying Dutchman wrote:The study showing that 54% of Moroccan youth has a criminal record is only the tip of the ice berg. More in depth studies show for example that 70% of Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals.

Ok, I'll bite - please provide the links to the survey that shows 54% of Moroccan youths have criminal records.

And secondly please provide the link for the second allegation - which shows that over 47,000 Moroccans are criminals in Amsterdam ( given that there are around 68,000 in total there: http://www.os.amsterdam.nl/english/amsterdaminfigures2009/population/ )

Thirdly, what proportion of criminals, do you think, are Moroccan, and what are you basing this on? Could it not be the prejudice referred to in quote I gave above (which said 54% of Morrocan youth were questioned by Police - not had criminal records).

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Jun 28, 2010

msterdam - More than half of young Dutch nationals of Moroccan origin in Rotterdam have a criminal record, according to a study published in the Dutch daily Volkskrant on Thursday.

The study, performed by researchers of Rotterdam's Erasmus University and the Royal University of Utrecht, said 55 per cent of Dutch-Moroccans aged 18 to 24 in Rotterdam have a criminal record.

Among young men from the Dutch Antilles and Surinam living in Rotterdam, 40 per cent have a criminal record, compared with 36 per cent of Dutch-Turks in the city.

Among native Dutch nationals from Rotterdam, 18.4 per cent have a police record.

The study found that once they have a police record, 90 per cent of Dutch-Moroccans return to criminal activity, compared with 60 per cent of ethnic Dutch nationals.

The study's crime statistics among ethnic groups in the Netherlands are far higher than those estimated so far by the Dutch Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS).

This can partly be explained by the fact that Rotterdam is the only Dutch city which has registered the ethnicity of criminals since 2002.

In addition, the study's methodology differed from other studies.

Contrary to the CBS, the study also included children of migrants, the so-called 'second generation' born in the Netherlands, among each ethnicity.

With a population of almost 600,000, Rotterdam is second largest city of the Netherlands. Half of its inhabitants are not native or have at least one foreign-born parent. Some 40,000 inhabitants are ethnic Moroccans.(dpa)

http://www.topnews.in/majority-rotterda ... dy-2174400

shafique · Jun 28, 2010

Thanks.

So the article says the study shows 55% of 18 to 24 year old Dutch Morrocans in Rotterdam have criminal records.

Total Dutch Morrocan population in Rotterdam in 2008 was 37,476 (that's of all ages) - out of a total of 600,000. So we are really talking about a few thousand criminals out of a population of 600,000.

Now, I refer you back to my previous comments about exagerations.

Also interesting to note what those conducting the survey said:

Bovekerk is also dead set against having ethnicity play a role in social work or sentencing. Since when can a crime be explained by origin? Is certain behavior typically Moroccan or does it come from street culture? He points to a visit to Morocco of Dutch police agents and officials , where they heard that the boys for which they wanted to get a cultural explanation were not Moroccan, but Dutch. "These boys are the product of North-European cities."

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2009/ ... roups.html

The boys in question were not Moroccan but Dutch. 'nuff said?

I look forward to your evidence that 70% of Amsterdam's Moroccan population are criminals.

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Jun 28, 2010

Whatever happened to comparing the percentage of rednecks who have criminal records to the percentage of Dutch-Moroccans with criminal records?

Don't want to embarrass yourself (further)?

Going back to the OP, one wonders what will happen if police officers actually do follow through and dress up as Jews.

After all, is verbally harassing a person based on their race/ethnicity/se.xual orientation or religion an arrestable offense?

I mean, it's completely legal to verbally abuse heterosexual white males. But it would be interesting to see how these decoys will be treated given the deep seated hatred Dutch Moroccans have for whites and Jews.

If the decoys will be videotaped or have visual/audio on them, hopefully these recordings will be released to the news stations and aired on TV or online.

-- Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:09 pm --

The boys in question were not Moroccan but Dutch. 'nuff said?

Snowball, is your point that Dutch-Moroccans are three times more likely to have a criminal record than white Dutch citizens?

If so, I totally agree with you.

Now, the question is, why are Moroccans more prone to criminal activity than other immigrant groups - Turks, etc. ?

BTW, do you know the percentage of Polish youth in Britain who have a criminal record ?

shafique · Jun 29, 2010

event horizon wrote:Whatever happened to comparing the percentage of rednecks who have criminal records to the percentage of Dutch-Moroccans with criminal records?

Don't want to embarrass yourself (further)?

Try and keep up eh. FD is disputing the figure you quoted of 8% of Dutch criminals being Dutch Moroccan - which equated to 4.2% of the Morrocan population being criminals. You were asked to produced the equivalent figures from your redneck neighbours. I see that you are trying to wriggle your way out of some work. Sigh.

event horizon wrote:
The boys in question were not Moroccan but Dutch. 'nuff said?

Snowball, is your point that Dutch-Moroccans are three times more likely to have a criminal record than white Dutch citizens?

If so, I totally agree with you.

Now, the question is, why are Moroccans more prone to criminal activity than other immigrant groups - Turks, etc. ?

The quote is from those who have done the survey and they concluded that the disproportionate levels of crime was not down the fact the boys' parents or grandparents came from Morocco per se - it related to how they were raised in Holland (they discovered this after visiting Morocco and concluded that it was a Dutch issue).

Therefore it is a problem, according to the academics, of a sub-section of Dutch youth. The levels of education, employment, family wealth etc are all likely factors - given that this section of Dutch society has lower education, higher unemployment, lower wealth etc. There are allegations of discrimination etc.

It appears to largely stem from the social background of the original immigrants - effectively little better than peasants from rural Morocco who came to work in manufacturing. There are indeed parallels here between the ghettos and gangs in Northern England - eg in Bradford, and the contrast with Ugandan Asians (Muslim and Hindu and Sikh) - the former are less socially mobile whilst the latter are now mostly middle and upper class professionals.

In Holland there are about equal amounts of Indonesian Dutch and others from the Antilles, and they don't have the 'Moroccan' problem. So it appears that the issue is not one of race or religion (Indonesians would also be discriminated against).

Therefore, the issue - as the academics conclude- is a problem with a sub-section of Dutch society, the problem being created in Holland and needs to be resolved in Holland.

In the meantime, we're awaiting the statistics to establish the % of Dutch Moroccans who are criminals (then we can compare this with equivalent stats in similarly deprived groups in the US - i.e. the 'redneck neighbours of yours' previously mentioned.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique · Jun 29, 2010

event horizon wrote:BTW, do you know the percentage of Polish youth in Britain who have a criminal record ?

There isn't a sizeable Polish youth population in the UK. The influx of Polish workers was mainly men, and families that did come over were mainly young families (with small children).

Large numbers of these Poles have now moved back to Poland, and the kids of those who are still in the UK are still in schools etc.

Now, what % of Brit chavs (or the 'feral underclass' as some call them) have criminal record would have been a more appropriate question.

Alternatively, you could also have asked about the relative criminality by race - and asked why the West Indian community has a higher proportion of criminals. Or perhaps even looked that long history of gang culture in the UK (and looked for the common factors):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_t ... ed_Kingdom

Cheers,
Shafique

Flying Dutchman · Jun 29, 2010

60% of Moroccan criminals in Holland are officially mentally deficient.

Indonesians are a very interesting example. They intregated very well and became valuable contributors to society.

shafique · Jun 29, 2010

FD - instead of throwing up new statistics, you could try and give us the evidence for the previous statistics (such as the claim that 70% of Dutch-Morrocans in Amsterdam are criminals).

But, in this case you've brought up a valuable figure that is quite useful.

You say 60% of Dutch-Moroccan criminals are officially mentally deficient - this is a great stat, presumably you'll be able to produce the study and from that we can work out what number represents 100% of Morrocan criminals and then finally be able to work out what percentage of the Dutch-Moroccan population is a criminal. (And this will therefore answer the third question I posed above)

Looks like we'll be able to do the comparison with other groups (such as eh's redneck neighbours) after all.

So:
1. Your evidence/study which shows 70% of Amsterdam's Dutch-Moroccans are criminals
2. Your evidence/study which shows 60% of Dutch-Moroccan criminals are officially mentally deficient.

Cheers,
Shafique

Flying Dutchman · Jun 29, 2010

From the municipal report "Marokkanen in Amsterdam, Dienst O+S, 2006": A third of the population of youth prisons is from Moroccan decent. The amount second generation Moroccans is double compared to first generation Moroccans.

From the same report: 70% of Moroccans are drop outs from high school.
Talking about schools: many teachers donot dare to teach the holocaust anymore in classes with many Muslims, because of violent reactions and angry parents.

shafique · Jun 29, 2010

Thanks FD, but which question are you answering?

Can we at least work get the numbers of Dutch-Moroccan criminals from your '60% of Dutch-Moroccan criminals are officially mentally deficient' statistic.

Hey, I'll even convert the 60% to 100% for you - just give me the figure for all the 'officially mentally deficient' Dutch Moroccans.

Then we can examine the evidence for your statistic that 70% of Amsterdam's Dutch-Moroccans are criminals (I make 70% to be around 47,000).

Thanks for introducing even more stats though - I can come back to those later if needed.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique · Jun 29, 2010

FD - I forgot to ask you about another stat you brought up earlier.

Flying Dutchman wrote:In Utrecht 80% of the crime is committed by ethnic Moroccans, while they make up 8,5% of the local population.

Which report did you get this from?

(But please provide the answers to the previous questions first 1. the number of Dutch-Moroccan criminals who make up the 60% who are mentally deficient and 2. evidence for 70% of Dutch-Moroccans living in Amsterdam being criminals:

Flying Dutchman wrote:The study showing that 54% of Moroccan youth has a criminal record is only the tip of the ice berg. More in depth studies show for example that 70% of Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals.

)

Cheers,
Shafique

Flying Dutchman · Jun 29, 2010

Obvious is that Moroccan crime in Holland is a big problem. Especially in areas with a large Moroccan population, the problem appear to be epidemic. Moreover, second generations Moroccans are 'performing' way worse, so the problem will grow further. What makes Moroccan crime even more visible, is that they specialize in terrorizing neighborhoods: harassing women, gays and jews, stealing from grannies etc. It is no coincidence decoy jews are opted in Amsterdam-West, where they can join the decoy grannies and decoy gays.
Holland 'absorbed' several immigrant groups. Some intregated better than others and the Moroccans certainly stand out on the negative side.
The reason? Of course, the racist card is still played by a diminishing minorty. The fact that 70% are drop outs has nothing to do with discrimination IMO. If you drop out of high school, of course your chances on the labor market decreases. Religion (Islam) maybe? Might well be, certain Moroccan crimes are certainly related to their religion: hatred for jews and hatred for gays. Lack of parental supervision is also an important reason. The reason for that I dunno.

shafique · Jun 29, 2010

Ok. Thanks for sharing your views (I'll happily come back and address these - I may agree with a lot of what you say).

However, can we get back to the statistics you threw out earlier in this thread.

Can you please provide:
1. Evidence for 60% of Dutch-Moroccan criminals being officially mentally deficient (so we can then work out how many Dutch Moroccan criminals there are in total)

2. Evidence for your assertion that 70% of Dutch-Moroccans living in Amsterdam are criminals (which would amount to about 47,000 people, by my simple arithmetic)

3. Evidence for 80% of all crime in Utrech being carried out by Dutch-Moroccans.

Once we've established the extent of the problem, we can then of course examine what the reasons may be. You've thrown out the word epidemic and high percentages above, so it is quite reasonable for us to check that these aren't figures picked out of thin air or pulled out of some dark place where the sun doesn't shine..

Cheers,
Shafique

Flying Dutchman · Jun 29, 2010

Those were official police statements.

Facts are that the majority of young Morrocans has a criminal record and that a third of the youth prison population consists of Moroccans.

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