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zubber wrote: if they willingly put themselves in a vulnerable position, Something is going to happen.

Blaming the victims of statutory rape is very ing!

Flying Dutchman wrote:

zubber wrote: if they willingly put themselves in a vulnerable position, Something is going to happen.

Blaming the victims of statutory rape is very ing!

I'm with you FD, again we have the "she-asked-for-it" logic here!

Flying Dutchman wrote:The targets are vunerable white girls. Within the Finnish community this is excused with "she asked for it". It is not the fault of the Finnish boys or their upbringing. Again, there is apparently nothing wrong with you if you rob and harass women, its society's fault.

Who is a vunerable girl FD?, I presume all girls go to school to get some sort education on life, to wake up?
Do you think men can also be vulnerable as well?

Berrin wrote:Who is a vunerable girl FD?

Girls who are desperate for love and attention.

Berrin wrote:Do you think men can also be vulnerable as well?

Yes. Interesting question though. I havent seen the argument yet that "he asked for it", when a guy in shorts is gay gang raped.

These men are most probably inbred themselves so they're already mentally dysfunctional to begin with.

"Flying Dutchman"]

Berrin wrote:Who is a vunerable girl FD?

Girls who are desperate for love and attention.

OK why do you think girls are desperate for love and attention? Couse Christianity/Islam teaches affection/compassion of humans, parents mate and have kids as part of they love towards one another, families continue to exist on condition that members continue to care about eachother and that individual and social needs of each member assesed early on and met before they trouble..

Berrin wrote:Do you think men can also be vulnerable as well?

Yes. Interesting question though. I havent seen the argument yet that "he asked for it", when a guy in shorts is gay gang raped.

Why do you have to look at it from s.ex point of you only... certainly s.ex as part of street grooming is not the cause or the starter of a series of problems but one that is led by, amongst many social problems (in case of men)...

So just can you pls tell me how a man (who happens to be a heterosexual) can be vulnerable?

Berrin wrote:OK why do you think girls are desperate for love and attention?

A lot have daddy issues I assume.

Berrin wrote:So just can you pls tell me how a man (who happens to be a heterosexual) can be vulnerable?

Sexual frustation, and desparation for female attention.

"Flying Dutchman"]OK why do you think girls are desperate for love and attention
A lot have daddy issues I assume.

Daddy issues what? All daddies love their daughters more so than sons I'd say..

"Berrin"]So just can you pls tell me how a man (who happens to be a heterosexual) can be vulnerable

Sexual frustation, and desparation for female attention.

Why is that? an educated, well groomed, high flyer, unreachable or else, say, a sincere pious men raised on high moral grounds don't have that frustration and desperation... So what's this sexual frustration and desperation of you about?

Berrin wrote:Why is that? an educated, well groomed, high flyer, unreachable or else, say, a sincere pious men raised on high moral grounds don't have that frustration and desperation... So what's this sexual frustration and desperation of you about?

By sexual frustation I mean people who cannot deal with their sexuality. Men who get aroused (or can understand that somebody gets aroused) by a naked toe or the sight of female hair are sexually frustated imo. Typically sexually frustated men use the argument "she asked for it", they cannot fantom by the lives of them that a woman who is proud of herself isnot asking not to be raped. The only way they can do that is viewing women as a commodity, not as a person with her own will and desires.

[quote="Flying Dutchman By sexual frustation I mean people who cannot deal with their sexuality. Men who get aroused (or can understand that somebody gets aroused) by a naked toe or the sight of female hair are sexually frustated imo.

Hohh hoo You chicken you know you're gonna be trashed.. now your description of vulnerable girls changed course to be those with naked toes and hair. LOL. But hey I wonder what you name those vulnerable girls who are hunted by the well groomed, high flyer men with social status...LOL..

Typically sexually frustated men use the argument "she asked for it", they cannot fantom by the lives of them that a woman who is proud of herself isnot asking not to be raped.

But hey it was you talking about animalist side of humans unable to resist fornication...
If a girl agrees to an indefinite friendship(relationship)before a marriage that comes with s.ex in it , you cannot call it a rape, can you?

The only way they can do that is viewing women as a commodity, not as a person with her own will and desires.

I am afraid this is the radiating attitude of Men in all societies where marriage is not required for intimate relationships...(At least if it was, you could somehow reduce the numbers of men who's intentions aren't sincere and comitted...

Berrin wrote:Hohh hoo You chicken you know you're gonna be trashed.. now your description of vulnerable girls changed course to be those with naked toes and hair.

The vunerability of a girl and the reason for sexual arousal by sexual frustated men are two completely different things.

Berrin wrote:LOL. But hey I wonder what you name those vulnerable girls who are hunted by the well groomed, high flyer men with social status...LOL..

I call them vunerable.

Berrin wrote:But hey it was you talking about animalist side of humans unable to resist fornication...

Huh?

Berrin wrote:If a girl agrees to an indefinite friendship(relationship)before a marriage that comes with s.ex in it , you cannot call it a rape, can you?

If it consensual between two adults, no. Keywords are consensual and adult!

Berrin wrote: you could somehow reduce the numbers of men who's intentions aren't sincere and comitted...

This thread is about groomers/loverboys, by definition their intentions are not sincere! And it appears that those loverboys come from a certain cultural background.

So, cutting through the musings of armchair psychologists.. I note:

1. No actual evidence to back up theory
2. No confirmation that these 17 trials of 56 British men since the 1990s is for only one region or a National figure.
3. No explanation of whether the 3 white men, in this sample, and the unmarried men were indeed influenced by 'cousin marriages' to commit their crimes.

So, a lot of hot air and suppositions. Apart from contributing to global warming - what's the point?

Cheers,
Shafique

Flying Dutchman"]quote="Berrin"]Hohh hoo You chicken you know you're gonna be trashed.. now your description of vulnerable girls changed course to be those with naked toes and hair.


The vunerability of a girl and the reason for sexual arousal by sexual frustated men are two completely different things.

LOL.. What happened to your vulnerable girl who was desperate for love and attention.
This is where we are left...

Flying Dutchman"]OK why do you think girls are desperate for love and attention
A lot have daddy issues I assume.

Daddy issues what? All daddies love their daughters more so than sons I'd say..

Berrin wrote:LOL. But hey I wonder what you name those vulnerable girls who are hunted by the well groomed, high flyer men with social status...LOL..

I call them vunerable.

This contradicts you specific target of those hunted in streets...So now are you saying that in reality there are no vulnerable girls...They simply get it becouse they all want it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Berrin wrote:But hey it was you talking about animalist side of humans unable to resist fornication...

Huh?

So true isn't it? it makes no difference if we are men or women...Once a need is a need it is a need to be satisfied under whatever circumstances it may be found (That's of course if you don't care for it be within marriage)

Berrin wrote:If a girl agrees to an indefinite friendship(relationship)before a marriage that comes with s.ex in it , you cannot call it a rape, can you?

If it consensual between two adults, no. Keywords are consensual and adult!

How can you say that the relationship of a vulnerable girl is not a consensual one? What proof do you have when it's starting?

Berrin wrote: you could somehow reduce the numbers of men who's intentions aren't sincere and comitted...

This thread is about groomers/loverboys, by definition their intentions are not sincere! And it appears that those loverboys come from a certain cultural background.

If this thread is about loverboys/groomers you should not adress woman as vulnerable in a society where they are found to be free in which s.ex and relationships practised without the concent of parents or without the authentication of marriage...As you proved us that description of a vulnerable woman cannot be narrowed down to those walking astray on streets!!!..

Just read again what you said...

Flying Dutchman wrote:
The targets are vunerable white girls. Within the Finnish community this is excused with "she asked for it". It is not the fault of the Finnish boys or their upbringing. Again, there is apparently nothing wrong with you if you rob and harass women, its society's fault.

Berrin wrote:They simply get it becouse they all want it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats the mind set of a rapist.

Berrin wrote:How can you say that the relationship of a vulnerable girl is not a consensual one? What proof do you have when it's starting?

Loverboys encourage/force girls to prostitution, thats the whole point. Duh!

Flying Dutchman wrote:

zubber wrote: if they willingly put themselves in a vulnerable position, Something is going to happen.

Blaming the victims of statutory rape is very ing!

The victim should have been more careful

quote="Flying Dutchman"]

Berrin wrote:They simply get it becouse they all want it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats the mind set of a rapist.

Ohhh boy, who are you and me to tell those girls and boys that they are cheating rapists fornicators in a free society eh! freedoooom hureeeeey....freedom makes everthing perfect....doesn't it? FD..since I have no other toll or means to acesss who is a bad guy or else shall we say who is a bad girl.....

quote="Berrin"]How can you say that the relationship of a vulnerable girl is not a consensual one? What proof do you have when it's starting?

Loverboys encourage/force girls to prostitution, thats the whole point. Duh!

Ohh dear, like fornicating man who wish to not marry or stay in a marriage or not loyal to one partner...
FD Who the hell are men to force free girls into prostitution eh....You kidding me man it's a freeeeee society and what they do is freeee and just none of your or my business alrite...They have mums and dads, intellectual capacity and churches and registary offices to rash for!
Otherwise you know, I asked you who a vulnerable girl was and reasons behind their vulnerablity and
to this moment you deny to elaborate on this issue since you know what's waiting you around the corner from my side...

zubber wrote:Every parent advises their children not accept candy from strangers, in the case of young women it would mean -
Dont accept rides/drugs/alochol/invitations of whatever from people you dont know.

This is the basic teaching given from the home.

Predatory nature of people will never go away, such a problem existed in the past, does presently exist, and will continue to exist.

The victims are the women, therefore they are under focus, they should take the precautionary measures, and if they willingly put themselves in a vulnerable position, Something is going to happen.

You know what, my friend at university was out playing pool with her roommates. She had only one drink. It was a coctail in a cup that was sitting on the side when she took her shots playing pool. Two guys who were chatting up the girls were not just being friendly... They put rohypnol in her drink when she wasn't looking. It started to take effect and when she was coming back from the bathroom she was staggering around. The bouncers thought she was too drunk so they kicked her out, by herself, without finding any of her friends. She was slumped over in the side alley of the bar. Luckily her roommates went looking for her after she was gone for so long and they found her in the alley. The guys were acting weird, seems they got freaked out at seeing the state she was in (this was likely their first time using the drug) and they drove the girls home and vanished. She was very ill, was totally incapacitated, and remembered nothing.

According to your logic, she is to blame because she was putting herself out there like a lamb in front of a tyrannosaurus, right?

I only agree with you to an extent, that women or men can do things to lower their chances of being preyed on, but ultimately, if a predator is determined enough he can catch his prey.

However, why is it that men get a write off for being predators? Is it just in men's nature to abuse women? How is that generalization for you?

You likely think that is why women should stay home, cover in a black tent, and not mix with members of the opposite s.e.x.