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Flying Dutchman wrote:I dont know DDS. Perhaps if you can explain yourself why you need to use derogatory terminology for people who disgaree with you, you can find the answer

Flying Dutchman wrote:Shafique is a geniune troll. He is obsessed with Israel bashing, baiting and cannot help himself with some serious mud throwing when somebody annoys him with pointing out his lies and bigotry. Event horizon certainly focusses on Islam. Then again, I think Islam is a more valid discussion point on DF than the constant Israel bashing. I dont agree with everything that event horizon posts, but he does have some good points. When those points are made count on some mud slinging from Shafique and DDS. Although DDS is not a full blown troll, he certainly shows some trolly behaviour. In general, mods (with a very few exceptions) are doing a very bad job in here imo.

Bora Bora wrote:
I have to agree with you on all points.

Shafique: I give you credit for seeing yourself as contributing to the same behavior as EH, but somehow I think you were a bit mild in critiquing yourself. You are not just a troll-baiter, you are a troll. You start as many threads as EH does. Although you are not a cut and paste kind of guy, it doesn't make you any less of a troll than EH. You always seem to rise to the occasion when EH posts something, and vice versa. I think alot of what you post is for the benefit of EH and seeing what his reaction is, again vice versa.

DDS: You claim that you get a reaction from some people when they don't agree with you. Well I have seen your reaction when YOU don't agree with people, without explaining your opinion as to why you disagree in a conversational matter. It generally ends up being put forth with a twist of you being nasty. One of the understandings should be: we agree to disagree. Even by disagreeing and having a discussion, people may just have something to say that can allow one to think and see something from a different view.

Islam: could make for very interesting discussions if it isn't used 99% of the time to be compared with Jews. Islam is a religion, and could be discussed in a religion vs. religion sense, as in Judism. There are discussion about Islam as a religion, but general reference to Muslims is a reference to the religion. Whereas Jews are Jews - people, not reference to religion. People are quick to refer to Islam or the Koran to justify arguments, but I don't think I have ever seen the Torah referred to. Jewish people live their lives based on the Torah as Muslims live their lives based on the Koran. I caught a partial discussion on the radio today about an Egyptian who has translated the Koran where he attempts to give a translation for the here and now - basically taking it out of the dark ages. He hasn't rewritten it, just gave it his interpretation through translation to help people - Muslims and non-Muslims. Apparently it will be quite a crowd-drawer and certainly will help non-Muslims to have a better understanding of Islam. (I will be looking for it as I am sure it will an interesting read.)

Mods: When I first joined DF I questioned one mod about behavior (posting comments). I was told "just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I can't participate and I am free to say what I want" (something to that effect). DF is a forum that gives alot of leeway to the members in their expression of speech. I have yet to see forums that have "fight club" and that is because they are strictly monitored. I have to say, what has been expressed on DF would have probably caused other forums to have been shut down (those operating in the UAE) either by choice or force. Every moderator here, those that actually exist, is at fault to one degree or another, sometimes more, sometimes less, and that includes threads that should have gone to fight club earlier than they did.

kanelli wrote:Moderation definitely needs an overhaul here.

event horizon wrote:I don't think you can call someone like shafique an actual troll. Trolling is a deliberate attempt to stifle or disrupt discussion - kind of how Desert throws his fits in the Politics forum whenever someone posts a topic he doesn't like, that's trolling.

For shafique's part, and as someone who knows how shafique has behaved on the other forum with complaints coming from all the members who posted in the sub-forum against him, it's hard to believe that anyone could deliberately be that dumb.

To me, it seems like shafique's 'denseness' is definitely something that was ingrained in him from early on and that he has little control over now.

And really, it isn't just non-Muslims who have complained about his posting style. Anyone who disagrees with him notices that he's very far from rational or capable of understanding the position of his opponents, often deliberately taking their arguments out of context and saying, 'I'm glad you agree with me, blah blah blah'.

As I said before, I encourage anyone to challenge him on an issue in the politics forum just to witness first hand what a loon this guy is. I'm not trying to make excuses, but perhaps part of the problem is that shafique is a numbers person, and numbers people don't know how to communicate very well.

It was a mistake to make this person a mod. I would actually say that Desert has a slightly higher IQ than shafique, it's just that Desert is too mentally weak to deal with people on an online forum in a mature manner.

So really, we have two active mods that should never have been made mods. But at least you can only go up after hitting rock bottom.

Flying Dutchman wrote:Shafique is a geniune troll. He is obsessed with Israel bashing, baiting and cannot help himself with some serious mud throwing when somebody annoys him with pointing out his lies and bigotry. Event horizon certainly focusses on Islam. Then again, I think Islam is a more valid discussion point on DF than the constant Israel bashing. I dont agree with everything that event horizon posts, but he does have some good points. When those points are made count on some mud slinging from Shafique and DDS. Although DDS is not a full blown troll, he certainly shows some trolly behaviour. In general, mods (with a very few exceptions) are doing a very bad job in here imo.

Tom Jones wrote:

kanelli wrote:Moderation definitely needs an overhaul here.

We're waiting for your suggestions on how to improve moderation in this Forum!!

Hurry up, Mrs. K!!!

Did you know that you're also one of my sweet darlings on DF??

I thought I'd throw that in, in case you thought I only loved BB and BM!!!

And you too, Chocs!!!!. But you knew that already, didn't you???

Flying Dutchman wrote:In general, mods (with a very few exceptions) are doing a very bad job in here imo.

kanelli wrote:

Tom Jones wrote:

kanelli wrote:Moderation definitely needs an overhaul here.

We're waiting for your suggestions on how to improve moderation in this Forum!!

Hurry up, Mrs. K!!!

Did you know that you're also one of my sweet darlings on DF??

I thought I'd throw that in, in case you thought I only loved BB and BM!!!

And you too, Chocs!!!!. But you knew that already, didn't you???

Be careful, BM and uaekid will soon protest about your behaviour

I'm working on something about rules and moderation, but had a frazzling day today, so need more time to finish it.

This coming from you!!! ROFLMAO!!! I have to congratulate you for getting through an entire post without a cut and paste. Is this your attempt at humor because it has to be the laugh of the day.

You don't encourage anything, you antagonize!!!! Communicate???? Well cut and paste is not a form of communication.

event horizon wrote:

This coming from you!!! ROFLMAO!!! I have to congratulate you for getting through an entire post without a cut and paste. Is this your attempt at humor because it has to be the laugh of the day.

You don't encourage anything, you antagonize!!!! Communicate???? Well cut and paste is not a form of communication.

Copy/paste what?

I would be happy to wager that as a percentage of my threads, the ones that are pasted and linked is lower than most of other members in this forum.

In the beginning, I also added my own comments to the threads and only pasted the relevant sections - as we're now doing - before the trolls in question ran interference and accused me and others of 'selectively quoting' articles, etc.

I've also started a number of threads where I simply typed up what I had to say, but those too were trolled/spammed by our site's moderators.

By the time I would copy/paste an article in full without any comment, the active members of the subforums I posted in were well underway of doing the same, typically quoting newspaper editorials or opinion pieces they found on some rag, such as loonwatch.com.

event horizon wrote:

This coming from you!!! ROFLMAO!!! I have to congratulate you for getting through an entire post without a cut and paste. Is this your attempt at humor because it has to be the laugh of the day.

You don't encourage anything, you antagonize!!!! Communicate???? Well cut and paste is not a form of communication.

Copy/paste what?

I would be happy to wager that as a percentage of my threads, the ones that are pasted and linked is lower than most of other members in this forum.

In the beginning, I also added my own comments to the threads and only pasted the relevant sections - as we're now doing - before the trolls in question ran interference and accused me and others of 'selectively quoting' articles, etc.

I've also started a number of threads where I simply typed up what I had to say, but those too were trolled/spammed by our site's moderators.

By the time I would copy/paste an article in full without any comment, the active members of the subforums I posted in were well underway of doing the same, typically quoting newspaper editorials or opinion pieces they found on some rag, such as loonwatch.com.

Misery Called Life wrote:Wow what started out as satire has turned into something rather honest. Kudos to BB and Mel for shooting it straight.

To Kanelli - If one has to accede that EH is a troll than the next question would be what led him to DF in the first place. I've been on the forums a long time and come to the conclusion that EH is only here to counter Shafique. Simple. So if one's gonna be labeled a troll than why spare the other?
You see Shaf is lot more refined with certain aspects of debate and is hence a lot more engaging and I too thoroughly enjoy reading his perspectives. Dare I say I even agree with him at times?
But that doesn't change the fact that his one sided political discourse could also be labeled troll-ing.

My suggestions would be,

DDS - dude quit insulting people whose posts you dnt agree with. That's something even FD bought up. You literally drove Robby out of here...

EH - Try and be honest about debate. Dnt add a political or religious perspective to everything cos when you frequently do it you only end up looking stupid. There are two separate threads for that.

Shafique - a bit of restraint really would'nt hurt.

Let the party beginnn

shafique wrote:How is my restraint being received these days?

Cheers,
Shafique

Bora Bora wrote:

shafique wrote:How is my restraint being received these days?

Cheers,
Shafique