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uaekid · Sep 17, 2011

My god, if you guys stop for a second here and look at your selves behaving like this in public.

The funny part is that on one hand you are “debating “ the “true religion” on earth which it followers whomever they may be should be humble ,forgiving , behaved and a brother to his or her mankind , one the other hand here you are acting like savages and worst than the devil himself .

Way to go religious godmen.

patience · Sep 17, 2011

gertrude · Sep 17, 2011

Sym, do you beleive devils are in bathrooms?

shafique · Sep 17, 2011

Did you ask eh why he believes in Talking Donkeys?

Anyway - herve's interpretation of the prayer Muslims say when entering a toilet is a typical loon misinterpretation - and he exposes his lack of knowledge yet again by asserting it is from the Quran.

Islam has been ahead of it's time when it enjoined cleanliness and hygiene and talked of agents that are harmful to humans, but are invisible to the naked eye. One can choose to believe that these agents are evil spirits, or what nowadays we'd call germs. (The prayer is actually seeking protection from all 'offensive' and 'wicked' things.)

But why let a little thing like facts get in the way of loon spin?

A quick Google search shows that Muslims aren't the only ones who have a prayer when answering the call of nature - Jews and Zoroastrians too. And note the last line about the prayer from Hadith:

The Islamic prophet Muhammad specified that one should use an odd number of stones (preferably three) to cleanse the anal orifice after defecation and then proceed to a different location to wash it with water. Use of toilet paper in place of stones is now acceptable, but washing with water is still needed for ritual purity.[14] When leaving the toilet, one is advised to leave with the right foot,[5] and also say a prayer – "Praise be to Allah who relieved me of the filth and gave me relief."[1] This is similar in concept to Asher yatzar, the prayers said by orthodox Jews when leaving the toilet in which they thank God for the openings used to defecate/urinate[15], and exact ways of proceeding and accompanying prayers are also specified in traditional Zoroastrianism.[16] It is also reported in the Hadith of Bukhari that whenever Muhammad went to the toilet, he said "In the name of Allah, O Allah! I seek refuge with You from all offensive and wicked things" (alternate translation: "from evil deeds and evil spirits").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_toilet_etiquette

Yet another epic loon fail.

Cheers,
Shafique

Red Chief · Sep 17, 2011

shafique wrote:Islam has been ahead of it's time when it enjoined cleanliness and hygiene and talked of agents that are harmful to humans, but are invisible to the naked eye. One can choose to believe that these agents are evil spirits, or what nowadays we'd call germs. (The prayer is actually seeking protection from all 'offensive' and 'wicked' things.)

Boo-Kha-Kha I dropped under the desk. I have not laughed so loudly for a while. It was awesome, dude. Probably somebody believes in the talking donkey but your opus reveals that somebody has just escaped from the ward number six and you'd better return back ASAP.

Thank You.

herve · Sep 17, 2011

shafique wrote:Islam has been ahead of it's time when it enjoined cleanliness and hygiene and talked of agents that are harmful to humans, but are invisible to the naked eye. One can choose to believe that these agents are evil spirits, or what nowadays we'd call germs. (The prayer is actually seeking protection from all 'offensive' and 'wicked' things.)
Shafique

Islam ahead of its time, :lol:

, sure that s why mouslims are still stuck in the 7th century.
you did not read the quran, the prayer, is about protection against males and females devils,
your germ explanation won't fly al shafique, the quran speaks of male and female devils, period. it has nothing do to with germs. so tell me al shafique E coli is it a girl or a guy? :lol:

anyways your bigotry is entertaining

uaekid · Sep 17, 2011

LOOOL I just rememberd a jimmie foxx stand up comedy show when he asked women not to only with wipe their ..... with a toilet papers and instead should wash it up especially when they want to get licked down there bcz as he said it “smells” and there are "left over’s" down there :shock:

…. Crazy nasty jimmie foxx :lol:

gertrude · Sep 17, 2011

you sound like you 've never been down there

sage & onion · Sep 17, 2011

gertrude wrote:you sound like you 've never been down there

lol

symmetric · Sep 17, 2011

gertrude wrote:Sym, do you beleive devils are in bathrooms?

Do you believe God has a mother? :lol:

Bethsmum · Sep 17, 2011

Poor Sym! He cant help being a retard.my sympathies go out to you.
No, God doesnt have a Mother, he isnt a real person sweetie!
Bless! LOL!
You are getting mixed up with Jesus!

Flying Dutchman · Sep 17, 2011

Its OK Symm, anger is an important stage of grief over rejection.

symmetric · Sep 17, 2011

If anyone here is desperately in need for some sympathy, its U

Sharing the boring drama of your "family" to everyone, and then lying about an unforgottable fact which indicates the extreme humilation you are in :lol:

So does God eats a kitkat while resting on Saturdays? Where does he go on weekends?? :lol:

-- Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:16 pm --

Flying Dutchman wrote:Its OK Symm, anger is an important stage of grief over rejection.

Offcourse it is, I know its hard to have a bastard son

- -
Should feel special his grandparents made it outside the gas chambers of Europe

Flying Dutchman · Sep 17, 2011

Now I have a bastard son? Where do you make up such things?

The kid has more maturity than you will ever know.

symmetric · Sep 17, 2011

Its alright, you're not the only one anyways.
Just learn how to cope with it

Bethsmum · Sep 17, 2011

Sym what drugs are you taking? Were they prescribed by a doctor or are you self medicating? You are rambling. Slow down and take deep breaths.

symmetric · Sep 17, 2011

Attempt to attain my sympathy - Failed

Bethsmum · Sep 17, 2011

What ever you say sweerie, what ever you say.

benwj · Sep 17, 2011

herve wrote:Has anyone been attack by the devil while taking a $hit?

shafique · Sep 17, 2011

herve wrote:
shafique wrote:Islam has been ahead of it's time when it enjoined cleanliness and hygiene and talked of agents that are harmful to humans, but are invisible to the naked eye. One can choose to believe that these agents are evil spirits, or what nowadays we'd call germs. (The prayer is actually seeking protection from all 'offensive' and 'wicked' things.)
Shafique

Islam ahead of its time, , sure that s why mouslims are still stuck in the 7th century.
you did not read the quran, the prayer, is about protection against males and females devils,
your germ explanation won't fly al shafique, the quran speaks of male and female devils, period. it has nothing do to with germs. so tell me al shafique E coli is it a girl or a guy? anyways your bigotry is entertaining

LOL - you're a sucker for punishment herve.

'It has nothing to do with germs'! Nice one. Next you'll be trying to convince of talking donkeys and talking ants!

The Hadith which contain the prayers are:

When you enter a lavatory say, “O Allah, I seek refuge in Thee from wicked and noxious things.”… (Sahih Muslim, 3.0729)

When entering a toilet, say a prayer: O’ Allah I seek refuge with you from all offensive and wicked things (evil deeds and evil spirits)… (Sunaan Nasai, 1.19)

(Allahumma in-nee a'oothu bika minal khubu-thee wal khabaa ith)

Don't you believe in germs?

Long after Muslims were washing each day, Europeans decided that it was unhealthy to wash - indeed wrongly thinking that water and cleaning could lead to disease:

Paradoxically, it was fear of disease, including syphilis and the Black Death, that put water out of favour, as Virginia Smith explains in “Clean: A History of Personal Hygiene and Purity”. A particular danger was thought to lie in public baths, reintroduced to Europe by crusaders returning from Turkey and the Arab world, and which had become popular in medieval Germany and Switzerland, as well as Florence, Paris and to a lesser extent London. Medical opinion had it that such exposure to hot water could open up the skin and let the plague, or other ills, in. Moralists also denounced depraved behaviour in the baths. By 1538, François I had closed the French bath houses. Henry VIII shut the “stews” of Southwark in 1546.

Thus began an era when rich folk and poor rubbed along with dirt just fine. Even private baths were judged suspect. According to meticulous notes kept by Jean Héroard, the French court physician, the young Louis XIII, born in 1601, was not given a bath until he was almost seven. Throughout the 17th century, writes Georges Vigarello, in “Le Propre et le Sale”, it was thought that linen had special properties that enabled it to absorb sweat from the body. For gentlemen, a wardrobe full of fine linen smocks or undershirts to enable a daily change was the height of hygienic sophistication. Racine and Molière owned 30 each.
...

http://www.economist.com/node/15108662

I thought you'd like the reference to French nobility and their lack of personal hygiene.

Cheers,
Shafique

symmetric · Sep 17, 2011

Don't forget to mention how Muslims of Andalucia were dis.gusted from the habbits of Christians and their bad hygiene - :lol:

Seriously, Cordoba had 800 public baths which were demolished by Castilla

desertdudeshj · Sep 17, 2011

Ewww, not taken a bath for 7 years !

Bethsmum · Sep 17, 2011

I wish you would remind the taxi drivers in Dubai about cleanliness! Most of them stink to high heaven! Deodrant isnt that expensive is it?
I had some Asian tenants fot 6 months in my flat in Dubai at one period. They lived like peasants. i turned up when they should have vacated. Thea place was disgust

ing. They were sleeping in the bed without sheets. The sink eas full of dishes even though there is a dish washer and the bathroom was horrific!
Never again! I only let to Europeans or Canadians Americans or Audtralians.
One bitten twice shy! I let to a DFer once. He was an excellent tenant. A pleasure! He was Canadian.

herve · Sep 17, 2011

shafique wrote: The Hadith which contain the prayers are:
When you enter a lavatory say, “O Allah, I seek refuge in Thee from wicked and noxious things.”… (Sahih Muslim, 3.0729)

When entering a toilet, say a prayer: O’ Allah I seek refuge with you from all offensive and wicked things (evil deeds and evil spirits)… (Sunaan Nasai, 1.19)

(Allahumma in-nee a'oothu bika minal khubu-thee wal khabaa ith)

Cheers,
Shafique

Again, you are dead wrong, even your brothers will not confirm your quote.
It is NOT about wicked things, it is about DEVILS. BRRRRRRRRRR, scary.

But I understand, you are confused, you are ashame to admit that demons frequent bathrooms. it sounds so ridiculous and laughable.
Anyways the transaltion says devils, not things. And the best way to not catch E coli is not to say a prayer but not to stick 2/3 of your finger up your A$$ hole. it is di$gusting al shafique
Allaahumma inni a’oodhu bika min al-khubthi wa’l-khabaa’ith (O Allaah, I seek refuge with You from evil and from the male and female devils).’” (Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah, 241).
[Bismillaahi] Allaahumma 'innee 'a'oothu bika minal-khubthi walkhabaa'ith.

(Before entering) [In the Name of Allah] . (Then) O Allah , I seek protection in You from the male and female devils.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amqOIhFa ... re=related

I don't make this stuff up, it comes straight from your qran book

uaekid · Sep 17, 2011

herve wrote:
shafique wrote: The Hadith which contain the prayers are:
When you enter a lavatory say, “O Allah, I seek refuge in Thee from wicked and noxious things.”… (Sahih Muslim, 3.0729)

When entering a toilet, say a prayer: O’ Allah I seek refuge with you from all offensive and wicked things (evil deeds and evil spirits)… (Sunaan Nasai, 1.19)

(Allahumma in-nee a'oothu bika minal khubu-thee wal khabaa ith)

Cheers,
Shafique

Again, you are dead wrong, even your brothers will not confirm your quote.
It is NOT about wicked things, it is about DEVILS. BRRRRRRRRRR, scary.
But I understand, you are confused, you are ashame to admit that demons frequent bathrooms. it sounds so ridiculous and laughable.
Anyways the transaltion says devils, not things. And the best way to not catch E coli is not to say a prayer but not to stick 2/3 of your finger up your A$$ hole. it is di$gusting al shafique
Allaahumma inni a’oodhu bika min al-khubthi wa’l-khabaa’ith (O Allaah, I seek refuge with You from evil and from the male and female devils).’” (Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah, 241).
[Bismillaahi] Allaahumma 'innee 'a'oothu bika minal-khubthi walkhabaa'ith.

(Before entering) [In the Name of Allah] . (Then) O Allah , I seek protection in You from the male and female devils.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amqOIhFa ... re=related

I don't make this stuff up, it comes straight from your qran book

the video you provided translate it wrong from arabic to english, if thats make a diff. just want to point that out. it should be "" Allah, I seek Refuge with You from all offensive and wicked things (evil deeds and evil spirits).quran is more explained than traslated, in this sentence some explains it to a sort of prayer to ask to help him stay away from Blameworthy, and bad qualities some translate it to All sins.. like the engilsh ,arabic words are translated into many meaning sort of speak, depend on the over all meaning.

patience · Sep 18, 2011

So what we're basically saying is that even back then perverts were lurking about in the bathrooms!!!! Not so much has changed then just have to say a quick prayer to protect you from George Michael!!!!!

Bethsmum · Sep 18, 2011

Just a Careless Whisper should do it.

patience · Sep 18, 2011

You've just got to have 'Faith' !!!

event horizon · Sep 18, 2011

Muslims were so ahead of their time they couldn't figure out to properly cook pork so as to make it healthy for consumption.

Anyways, Jewish, Byzantine, etc., cleanliness is well known. I guess we're getting a google professor's version of history to claim that chanting in the bathroom is progress or that Muslims were doing things differently from numerous other cultures - hundreds of years before the invention of Islam.

Anyways, Muhammad did leave another hygienic tip for his Muslims to follow for all times:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/urine.htm

Wash with and drink camel urine.

:wink:

We can definitely say Islam was ahead of it's time there.

(But perhaps we'll get a copy/pasty of how backwards Black Africans or Native Americans were/are?)

shafique · Sep 18, 2011

So herve, I hope you've learnt your lesson and now know not to trust what loon websites tell you. 'Male devils and Female devils' indeed!

Thanks for confirming that you were thinking of the Arabic prayer from Hadith:
Allaahumma inni a’oodhu bika min al-khubthi wa’l-khabaa’ith
Allah, I seek Refuge with You from all offensive and wicked things (evil deeds and evil spirits).

Now, if YOU want to believe in female and male devils, go ahead - but please don't try and tell Muslims what they believe without checking with them first. You may want to pass on the same message to the young extremist who is avoiding all the questions on his bizare beliefs of the Bible in the religion forum.

So, let me repeat my invitation herve:
Why don't you join me and condemn event horizon's real belief that it is ok to kill babies an enslave virgins if God tells you to, rather than invent Muslim beliefs that we don't believe in?

Cheers,
Shafique

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