Shocking racism in Dubai?

turbo_tamago

OK I have just rocked into Dubai (around 6 weeks) and have had a great experience so far. I came with an international company and luckily for me that took care of the flat and utilities etc so I admit my integration into Dubai has been pretty stress free and I am hitting the ground running and am singing the virtues of Dubai to my colleagues back home. Notwithstanding my recent experience, I do hear of occasional moans about a "pecking order" from certain people, notably the security guard at my building, the odd taxi driver and from others who have lived here a lot longer. I must admit I have not seen or been subject to any real issues, I am of Chinese origin but was born and raised up in the UK. Today I witnessed a pretty shocking event which I hope was an aberration rather than a way of life here. Picture this: at around 8am we are all queuing up at the lift lobby of our office (I work at one of the tall offices at the top of Sheikh Zayed Road), morning rush hour to get to our respective floors. It still amazes me that people will queue for minutes to take the life to the first of second floor rather than take the stairs but hey, this must be a way of life here so I live with it. Today was no exception. The lift arrives and we all get in. Full lift. The lift closes and stops at the first floor (I am on the 26th). 2 people are waiting to get in the lift. A middle eastern man (not sure where) and a mature Indian office worker. Indian worker comes in and we all shuffle to make space. There is still space for the other ME man if he wanted to squeeze in, that wouldn't bother me as I have seen it many times. Instead, the ME man holds the arm of the Indian man and pulls him out of the lift, saying that he is on the wrong floor and he needs to go to the second floor. He slides into the Indian mans space in the lift and the door closes. As the door was closing the Indian man, clearly incredulous as to the event that just happened remarked that it was not a very "professional" thing to do to which the ME man said "yes, I am not professional, so what". I thought they knew each other and they were having some fun, only when the ME man left on the second floor did the reality of what happened dawn on me. I was also ashamed I didn't intervene or pass judgement. The Indian man clearly was an office worker and quite mature. I hear these kinds of stories but I have never been a witness to such events. The blatant lack of manners displayed by some is truly appalling behaviour. Is this something that is acceptable in Dubai? Those in the service industry and others are all there to make our lives easier. Everyone deserves to be treated with a basic degree of courtesy? What brings it out in people to believe that they are superior when compared to others? Is it historical or is it the economy which drives people to behave this way?

Concord

Racism is very overt in Dubai. However I am not sure what you witnessed was necessary a case of "shocking racism". The guy could just have been a very rude person who grabed whoever was there in order to make room for himself. Good thing you were in the back.

Jeevan

welcome to Dubai, and about your post -you will get used to what happens, and i would say its upto the person who went through the experience to raise his voice first before others pass a comment or a judgement. If you stand up for yourself, no one can treat you as a piece of crap, I am an Indian and i never had such a experience in Dubai. Relax and get used to Dubai:)

Concord

Jeevan wrote: welcome to Dubai, and about your post -you will get used to what happens, and i would say its upto the person who went through the experience to raise his voice first before others pass a comment or a judgement. If you stand up for yourself, no one can treat you as a piece of crap, I am an Indian and i never had such a experience in Dubai. Relax and get used to Dubai:) Yeah but that's because you are a big guy and they know you can beat the crap out of them! They are racist: not stupid.

Dr.D

Give the guy a break, maybe firefingers was just having a bad day.

St.Lucifer

But unfortunately, the truth says, in here, one (a non local, non arabic speaker) would think more than twice, n look around n try to analyse who this bad a$$ could be.. even if he'dnt have thought even for a split second before launching a punch, had it been their home ground.. but that aint racism.. thats existential criteria... for the bad guy its simple. home ground advantage..

firefingers

Ok you see guys again you are relating racism to my beloved country ,like it doesn't happen elsewhere forcing me to start using adult language in my posts  dam it I'm tiered. Well as he said if you don't stand up for your self even the wife will bitch slap you all the time, it doesn't matter where or how, stop crying and star fighting . And no Dr.d it can't be me, I'll never be near you guys , you guys really smell, I don't know what is with foreigners hating to shower .

gtmash

Want examples of racism? Dig up any of firefingers' old posts. Heck even the one above is an example. Although keep in mind that he does not represent educated locals.

firefingers

gtmash wrote: Want examples of racism? Dig up any of firefingers' old posts. Heck even the one above is an example. Although keep in mind that he does not represent educated locals. oh sweet heart there is no need to dig, I never said I liked you guys and I'll always hate you , you guys are good for nothing , and you are our slaves , the sooner you will realize that the sooner everyone will be happy, I admit it , I am .and you can't do nothing about it but watch us slave you . now all I'm saying is that start acting like men for ones in your life, and stop hiding behind your nick names, stop being such a little girls ( oh mommy this happened to me oh mommy the boy touch my mini skirt ) you loving lady stand up for your selves. This is my education gtmash.

bushra21

you are the reason people hate us so much... :roll:

firefingers

bushra21 wrote: you are the reason people hate us so much... :roll: sorry but don't think I' ll just stand doing nothing while those ladies talks tasty about us in this love up forum. they are nothing but puppy's crying people who got issues in their lives and takes it out on our system, government or us.. you know it dear, non of what they are saying reflect us, culture or religion. solo things happen in their daily boring lives and they start crying here like moms boys. they got tasty jobs or life it is not our problem, suck it up people handle you tasty. and what I hate the most when most of them acts moderated and the truth is they them selves ran a way from their won love up countries looking for a better life that they found here, but nothing is ever good enough for them. I tried being polite with them and rational but they won't understand so I have to behave they way they understand and they way they behave in their won countries. so.. until I get kicked out of this forum I'll keep doing whatever I'm doing people >> see yaa

bushra21

all right. but what good has that done? the only thing that has happened is that they have absolutely no respect towards you, and you come off as an uneducated, 'typical local'... you are basically proving their point. if you feel they are being ignorant then why act that way yourself?

firefingers

bushra21 wrote: all right. but what good has that done? the only thing that has happened is that they have absolutely no respect towards you, and you come off as an uneducated, 'typical local'... you are basically proving their point. if you feel they are being ignorant then why act that way yourself? honey I don't need those low life group of people approval or respect, they acuse us racism and if you look carefully throw the forum they always categorize all bad behaviors under locals, hell with them, that’s racism it self. They'll never tell the story like it is, they always generalize. I don't know what's wrong with them, I have more foreigner friends than they can count and starting from my childhood ,schools and work never I heard this pull shi* but here. Someone Behavior does not necessarily shows or tells his nationality. Stop linking those 2 things idiots..

^ian^

Slaves eh? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH. Who is more dependent on who? Consider this in the equation. We can always leave.

fayz

turbo_tamago wrote: ... The lift arrives and we all get in. Full lift. The lift closes and stops at the first floor (I am on the 26th). 2 people are waiting to get in the lift. A middle eastern man (not sure where) and a mature Indian office worker. ... Out of curiosity, what was the cultural breakdown of the other people in the elevator? You mention a full elevator but not one person said anything? That in itself is sad. At the airport I had an issue where somebody tried to push infront of me in line, I pushed back.

Concord

Actually I think the post itself is racist. Maybe the person was simply a nasty person. So that the post could be "I saw this nasty person in the elevator today who did....". The assumption is that the person did it because of race but not necessarily. So making that asssumption would be racist itself. There is lots of racism in Dubai to be sure.

St.Lucifer

firefingers wrote: honey I don't need those low life group of people approval or respect, they acuse us racism and if you look carefully throw the forum they always categorize all bad behaviors under locals, hell with them, that’s racism it self. They'll never tell the story like it is, they always generalize. I don't know what's wrong with them, I have more foreigner friends than they can count and starting from my childhood ,schools and work never I heard this pull shi* but here. Someone Behavior does not necessarily shows or tells his nationality. Stop linking those 2 things idiots.. :) If u really dont want the approval or respect of those low life groups, Y do you bother to post. Y do u take all the effort n go overboard to prove your point... Its just that you dont know how to put things in perspective or to use your words effectively to express yourself. Racism,Slavery exists everywhere at psycho, socio economical levels than physical. It's something that we can fight and fend off.. but slavery, the way u've understood it, is called cooperation. World peace everyone.. :)

fayz

Concord wrote: Actually I think the post itself is racist. Maybe the person was simply a nasty person. So that the post could be "I saw this nasty person in the elevator today who did....". The assumption is that the person did it because of race but not necessarily. So making that asssumption would be racist itself. There is lots of racism in Dubai to be sure. You know you've been in Dubai too long when you start quoting people by their race and job title, My Indian Coffee boy, My German doctor, etc. Sadly for most this happens in less than a week after arriving. Where else do you see this?? or have I been that sheltered? I remember going to my doctor back in Canada and never recall mentioning to anyone that he was Irish or my dentist and not saying my Chinese dentist, I’ve been in Dubai too long.

jabbajabba

fayz wrote: Concord wrote: Actually I think the post itself is racist. Maybe the person was simply a nasty person. So that the post could be "I saw this nasty person in the elevator today who did....". The assumption is that the person did it because of race but not necessarily. So making that asssumption would be racist itself. There is lots of racism in Dubai to be sure. You know you've been in Dubai too long when you start quoting people by their race and job title, My Indian Coffee boy, My German doctor, etc. Sadly for most this happens in less than a week after arriving. Where else do you see this?? or have I been that sheltered? I remember going to my doctor back in Canada and never recall mentioning to anyone that he was Irish or my dentist and not saying my Chinese dentist, I’ve been in Dubai too long. I totally relate to this - it's quite sad. Its also quite a contrast coming from the UK, where its gone to the other end - you could be the best man for the job, but equal opportunities schemes will mean it goes to someone else.

fayz

Being a visible minority I can relate to what you say, with a passion I hate equal opportunity rules, because even if you tend to be the most qualified people will assume it is because of your tan, Rules like this breed racisim. It is sad and I’m not smart enough to suggest a workable solution. But yes I think most just want an equal footing with others to compete for the same opportunity, I don’t want to be favoured or behind the eight ball. It's just easier said then done to implement.

Concord

fayz wrote: Being a visible minority I can relate to what you say, with a passion I hate equal opportunity rules, because even if you tend to be the most qualified people will assume it is because of your tan, Rules like this breed racisim. It is sad and I’m not smart enough to suggest a workable solution. But yes I think most just want an equal footing with others to compete for the same opportunity, I don’t want to be favoured or behind the eight ball. It's just easier said then done to implement. The solution is more exposure and inter-marriage. When everyone is "gray" then the world will be a better place. Ironically I think if you are black or very dark skinned (but not indian/pakistani/srilankan/bangladeshi) you will suffer less racism that if you were in say the USA/Canada, UK, Australia. More ironically the reason you would not experience "racism" is racism itself - that is, some people will give you preferntial treatment because you might be "local" or simply "arab" (all based on your race!).

gtmash

Concord wrote: The solution is more exposure and inter-marriage. When everyone is "gray" then the world will be a better place. Theoreticaly everyone would be brown. I haven't seen a gray person yet, except in vampire movies.

Dr.D

gtmash wrote: Concord wrote: The solution is more exposure and inter-marriage. When everyone is "gray" then the world will be a better place. Theoreticaly everyone would be brown. I haven't seen a gray person yet, except in vampire movies. Dead people are gray.

KeithL

fayz wrote: At the airport I had an issue where somebody tried to push infront of me in line, I pushed back. Well done Fayz :lol:

gtmash

KeithL wrote: fayz wrote: At the airport I had an issue where somebody tried to push infront of me in line, I pushed back. Well done Fayz :lol: I thought you told me some guy at the airport pushed you back when you tried to cut in front for a toilet emergency. Was it Fez?

dale

An entire community should not be branded as racists because of a few people. The person obviously reflected his own cultural background, attitude and personality. I know some Locals and who are very cultured and sophisticated. Arabs have a wonderful history of culture and tradion but sadly some of the newer generations are not able to keep up to it.

Chocoholic

We are all citizens of the world - nothing more, nothing less.

fayz

gtmash wrote: KeithL wrote: fayz wrote: At the airport I had an issue where somebody tried to push infront of me in line, I pushed back. Well done Fayz :lol: I thought you told me some guy at the airport pushed you back when you tried to cut in front for a toilet emergency. Was it Fez? no? maybe you've mistaken me for some guy from the 70's show ;)

fayz

Chocoholic wrote: We are all citizens of the world - nothing more, nothing less. well said.

firefingers

fayz wrote: turbo_tamago wrote: ... The lift arrives and we all get in. Full lift. The lift closes and stops at the first floor (I am on the 26th). 2 people are waiting to get in the lift. A middle eastern man (not sure where) and a mature Indian office worker. ... Out of curiosity, what was the cultural breakdown of the other people in the elevator? You mention a full elevator but not one person said anything? That in itself is sad. At the airport I had an issue where somebody tried to push infront of me in line, I pushed back. thank you and I rest my case

benwj

fayz wrote: Out of curiosity, what was the cultural breakdown of the other people in the elevator? You mention a full elevator but not one person said anything? That in itself is sad. At the airport I had an issue where somebody tried to push infront of me in line, I pushed back. I suspect that the elevator case is no different. The office worker thought that it was OK to get into the lift in front of the other guy, who had been waiting (got off at the wrong floor), and was promptly dragged out.

St.Lucifer

^ a different angle? a retake...:) r u tom tykwer.. run lola run fame.? :)

fayz

benwj wrote: fayz wrote: Out of curiosity, what was the cultural breakdown of the other people in the elevator? You mention a full elevator but not one person said anything? That in itself is sad. At the airport I had an issue where somebody tried to push infront of me in line, I pushed back. I suspect that the elevator case is no different. The office worker thought that it was OK to get into the lift in front of the other guy, who had been waiting (got off at the wrong floor), and was promptly dragged out. True and good point, but the person doing the pushing said you're on the wrong floor, if he said wait your turn or something than that's one thing. Plus the OP said that there was enough room for 2 so these two things led me to make the conclusion I did. Possibly wrong though.

fayz

turbo_tamago wrote: .... A middle eastern man (not sure where) and a mature Indian office worker. Indian worker comes in and we all shuffle to make space. There is still space for the other ME man if he wanted to squeeze in, that wouldn't bother me as I have seen it many times. Instead, the ME man holds the arm of the Indian man and pulls him out of the lift, saying that he is on the wrong floor and he needs to go to the second floor. He slides into the Indian mans space in the lift and the door closes. As the door was closing the Indian man, clearly incredulous as to the event that just happened remarked that it was not a very "professional" thing to do to which the ME man said "yes, I am not professional, so what". ..... Re-reading it could have meant that the other guy (ME) was saying he was on the wrong floor, or he was telling the other guy that ‘he’ was on the wrong floor. But if the response was saying that wasn’t professional I’m not sure that he (Indian guy) was budding. In my case for reference it was a person who looked of Indian/South Asian persuasion so I know there are rude from all cultures, and many here don't understand the concept of lines. I’m just not sure in the example given at the beginning of the post was the Indian guy being rude and cutting but rather the other guy.

Concord

fayz wrote: At the airport I had an issue where somebody tried to push infront of me in line, I pushed back. Now if the other guy was a dishdasher I would be impressed. Specially being pushed by someone with your hairdoo ^^^^^^^^^

fayz

hahaha, I have no qualms about pushing back whomever they are but I've actually never had a really bad experience with a local. Only once a Leb tried to steal my parking spot at MOE and the experience above and both times I made my feelings known, I'm pretty sure the day I get deported it'll be for giving the wrong person the finger though, but meh i've had a good stint here, <-- actually edit, there was bad experience with a local lady who cut me off but I held my anger, because she was a she though, not because of her nationality.

Concord

fayz wrote: hahaha, I have no qualms about pushing back whomever they are but I've actually never had a really bad experience with a local. Only once a Leb tried to steal my parking spot at MOE and the experience above and both times I made my feelings known, I'm pretty sure the day I get deported it'll be for giving the wrong person the finger though, but meh i've had a good stint here, <-- actually edit, there was bad experience with a local lady who cut me off but I held my anger, because she was a she though, not because of her nationality. Me, I've done the finger thing a few times (without consequences). It's on auto-pilot/instinct. Now I just "wave"! p.s. I hope I don't loose the instinct or I'll get the crap beat out of me when I get back!

BabyDoll

Consider the following scenario. Could it be that: 1) The indian guy did not know the direction. Spoke to the arab man before the lift came re where he needed to go. 2) Knowing where the indian dude needed to go, the arab man tried to help (in this case pulled his arm) 3) Indian dude thought Arab man is gay since he touched him, so he retorted " this is not professional" 4) "I am not professional so what" - maybe arab man's English wasnt that good. I have come across arabs who said certain things which sounded rude and offensive but they dont mean it. As english is not their first language Personally I have been discrimated in this country but its none other than the british themselves and women !! Boo hoo..

Caricatures@orangejar.com

turbo_tamago wrote: Everyone deserves to be treated with a basic degree of courtesy? What brings it out in people to believe that they are superior when compared to others? Is it historical or is it the economy which drives people to behave this way? it's great that you had a sweet and smooth integration into life here. good for you! read somewhere in the replies that it could just be a case of rudeness, i agree. what you saw was not shocking racism, it's just a case of bad manners or well, no manners at all. but that's not saying that there's no racism or discrimination here, cos its everywhere. if you want to see racism, check the classifieds. that's a good start.

arjun7ue

There is nothing shocking in it. This is a reality here. The other day I was waiting for a taxi for 20 min. when one finally comes, this lebanese guy rushes in fropm somewhere behind. protesting that I was first - he rudely says "so what, what will you do, get lost!" All the middles easterns - lebanese, egyptians, palestinians are the worst of the lot. Disgusting attitude. Treat other people like crap. Most dirtiest attitude people I've seen in the world. The worst manners - whether it is on the road or in offices or public spaces. Doing business with them is pathetic. Locals are relatively better

nikka

Guys this is nothing new. A lot of arabs are rude and carry a vhip on their shoulders. I have experienced it many times. I was in S Arabia once. I was waiting for the lift behind a handful of ladies. The lift came and I waited for the ladies to get in first. As they got in, this arab guy came into the lobby and rushed towards the lift. I saw this and put my hand against the side of the lift to stop him barging in when he got there (I was still waiting for the ladies to finish getting in). He got there and pushedmy hand and got into the lift. I got into the lift and he started shouting at me in language. I could reply but pointed to the ladies trying to explain that the ladies need to board first. He carried on shouting, so I got of the lift and let them go; I caught another one. I could have floored this guy and given him some lessons in manners but when you are in their country the police is always on their side. Best way is always stay well out of way of the arabs. After 15 ceturies of Islam, good manners have not quite got to their culture and society. I am sorry if I offended anyone but this is the harsh reality.

Mr & Mrs Inquirer

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Bleakus

nikka wrote: Best way is always stay well out of way of the arabs. After 15 ceturies of Islam, good manners have not quite got to their culture and society. I am sorry if I offended anyone but this is the harsh reality. shows that you are mature about this lol

St.Lucifer

:):) :) ^^ one thing for sure.. I'd seen this man at work.. :) without realizing its him :D during a blunt working day peak hr..He definitely didnt seem a nano fil racist :).. :D

Bleakus

I thank you sir

dave101

getting back to the point of the post, there is certainly a layered class system here, tho being somewhere near the top is ok for me (english), id hate to be an indian in Dubai! whats this finget thing you are not allowed to gesture, is it just the single finger, so two fingers is ok, and also the glorious w nker, is that ok? i have found myself to be increasingly racist in Dubai, my blood boils when i see idiot muslims on the road, jumping queues, etc. im pretty sure im going to launch someone soon (i come from newcastle, its in my blood), i wonder what the repurcussions would be...?

gtmash

dave101 wrote: getting back to the point of the post, there is certainly a layered class system here, tho being somewhere near the top is ok for me (english), id hate to be an indian in Dubai! whats this finget thing you are not allowed to gesture, is it just the single finger, so two fingers is ok, and also the glorious w nker, is that ok? i have found myself to be increasingly racist in Dubai, my blood boils when i see idiot muslims on the road, jumping queues, etc. im pretty sure im going to launch someone soon (i come from newcastle, its in my blood), i wonder what the repurcussions would be...? You're the first guy to admit to the class system here.

uaebadoo

This could happen anywhere in the world, just take it easy and welcome to dubai

bushra21

uaebadoo wrote: This could happen anywhere in the world, just take it easy and welcome to dubai yeah saying that isn't going to go over too well...especially if you are a local...they will jump all over you for that. because apparently it doesnt matter, the only thing that does matter is that 'locals' are racist :roll:

uaebadoo

:D

uaebadoo

uaebadoo wrote: bushra21 wrote: uaebadoo wrote: This could happen anywhere in the world, just take it easy and welcome to dubai yeah saying that isn't going to go over too well...especially if you are a local...they will jump all over you for that. because apparently it doesnt matter, the only thing that does matter is that 'locals' are racist :roll: who cares about them, the Arabic Saying states(Translation): The Dogs Are barking but the Convoy is moving

bushra21

you, firfingers, symmetric, i pray to god you aren't really locals because you just make us looks bad and enforce those stereotypes :roll:

uaebadoo

bushra21 wrote: you, firfingers, symmetric, i pray to god you aren't really locals because you just make us looks bad and enforce those stereotypes :roll: Ofcourse I am proudly pure local from Alain, you said they think we are racist so what u want me to say about those people, I was educated in the US, England, France, and I have visited many many countries of the world and I know what is racisim means, so let them say what they want, but I am sure there are many many non-nationals who dont think that way about us

bushra21

uaebadoo wrote: bushra21 wrote: you, firfingers, symmetric, i pray to god you aren't really locals because you just make us looks bad and enforce those stereotypes :roll: Ofcourse I am proudly pure local from Alain, you said they think we are racist so what u want me to say about those people, I was educated in the US, England, France, and I have visited many many countries of the world and I know what is racisim means, so let them say what they want, but I am sure there are many many non-nationals who dont think that way about us yes but it doesnt mean we have to enforce their stereotypes.... and many locals have lived and studied outside of the uae and know what racisim is as well...but to completely dismiss it in our own country is wrong and just plain stupid.

uaebadoo

bushra21 wrote: uaebadoo wrote: bushra21 wrote: you, firfingers, symmetric, i pray to god you aren't really locals because you just make us looks bad and enforce those stereotypes :roll: Ofcourse I am proudly pure local from Alain, you said they think we are racist so what u want me to say about those people, I was educated in the US, England, France, and I have visited many many countries of the world and I know what is racisim means, so let them say what they want, but I am sure there are many many non-nationals who dont think that way about us yes but it doesnt mean we have to enforce their stereotypes.... and many locals have lived and studied outside of the uae and know what racisim is as well...but to completely dismiss it in our own country is wrong and just plain stupid. I did not mean to enforce any stereotypes but I meant that racisim is much worst in other countries of the world compared to the UAE

arniegang

that is not always the case

gtmash

uaebadoo wrote: I did not mean to enforce any stereotypes but I meant that racisim is much worst in other countries of the world compared to the UAE I wouldn't say it is racism as much as it is a class system around here. Anyway, I have this big Indian friend who was once referred to as a "bloody Indian" by a British family as they fought over a parking space at a mall. Now that was a case of a blatant racist remark. Seems he is the target of aggressive behaviour (from all nationalities) a lot just for looking especially Indian, although he puts these people back in their place due to his size and tough attitude. Local cops occassionally speak to Brits and Indians differently, but that's because it is automatically assumed that the Indians might be a middle-class nobody. But they are fair I'd say.

xibit

uaebadoo wrote: bushra21 wrote: you, firfingers, symmetric, i pray to god you aren't really locals because you just make us looks bad and enforce those stereotypes :roll: Ofcourse I am proudly pure local from Alain, you said they think we are racist so what u want me to say about those people, I was educated in the US, England, France, and I have visited many many countries of the world and I know what is racisim means, so let them say what they want, but I am sure there are many many non-nationals who dont think that way about us since u r a PURE local i guess ur dad is from iran and mom from the philipines ?

uaebadoo

xibit wrote: uaebadoo wrote: bushra21 wrote: you, firfingers, symmetric, i pray to god you aren't really locals because you just make us looks bad and enforce those stereotypes :roll: Ofcourse I am proudly pure local from Alain, you said they think we are racist so what u want me to say about those people, I was educated in the US, England, France, and I have visited many many countries of the world and I know what is racisim means, so let them say what they want, but I am sure there are many many non-nationals who dont think that way about us since u r a PURE local i guess ur dad is from iran and mom from the philipines ? And u r guessing who is ur dad,Hint: I might be one of them

Rosbif71

this coutry is institutionally racist. I doesnt matte how long you live here or what you do for the country you will never get citizenship!

bushra21

Rosbif71 wrote: this coutry is institutionally racist. I doesnt matte how long you live here or what you do for the country you will never get citizenship! That isn't completely true. I know of some who are not even arabs that carry a UAE passport. Also, I see no problem with the govt not handing out UAE passports to any bloke that decides to move here...we aren't the U.S.... :roll:

gtmash

bushra21 wrote: Rosbif71 wrote: this coutry is institutionally racist. I doesnt matte how long you live here or what you do for the country you will never get citizenship! That isn't completely true. I know of some who are not even arabs that carry a UAE passport. Also, I see no problem with the govt not handing out UAE passports to any bloke that decides to move here...we aren't the U.S.... :roll: Bush, it's not that easy getting a UAE passport. That said, there are Iranians, Omanis and a few Indians who did become UAE passport holders, but they have had family in the country since before independence, in the days when it was possible to mingle with Sheikh Rashid and company on the streets. In the US, it is a more straightforward affair, without uncertainties such as how much wastaa you have. Of course, they reject you if your name matches some terror suspect (which is retarded), but they have specific rules that one can follow.

bushra21

gtmash wrote: bushra21 wrote: Rosbif71 wrote: this coutry is institutionally racist. I doesnt matte how long you live here or what you do for the country you will never get citizenship! That isn't completely true. I know of some who are not even arabs that carry a UAE passport. Also, I see no problem with the govt not handing out UAE passports to any bloke that decides to move here...we aren't the U.S.... :roll: Bush, it's not that easy getting a UAE passport. That said, there are Iranians, Omanis and a few Indians who did become UAE passport holders, but they have had family in the country since before independence, in the days when it was possible to mingle with Sheikh Rashid and company on the streets. In the US, it is a more straightforward affair, without uncertainties such as how much wastaa you have. Of course, they reject you if your name matches some terror suspect (which is retarded), but they have specific rules that one can follow. I know...that's what I said, except you put in a -- umm, more in depth manner.

arniegang

Rosbif71 wrote: this coutry is institutionally racist. I doesnt matte how long you live here or what you do for the country you will never get citizenship! Well i can say as a true Brit, what and how the UAE is an example of what the so called western countries had many years ago. The difference is that the UAE wont change because thats how it is, like it or fcuk off and then theres us - the Brits We pay 40% tax to subsidise everyone and anyone that gets on a plane train or boat to the UK, so that our government can give them housing, benefits and enough money that the majority take without giving fcuk all back. Racist moi ? - if you say so :roll: Having immigrants into your own country then let them take the piss - yep thats the British. UAE - racist no, they are just protecting their interests and why shouldn't they, its their country and like i said in the begining, if you dont like it, then go elsewhere. End of So

The Major

arniegang wrote: Rosbif71 wrote: this coutry is institutionally racist. I doesnt matte how long you live here or what you do for the country you will never get citizenship! Well i can say as a true Brit, what and how the UAE is an example of what the so called western countries had many years ago. The difference is that the UAE wont change because thats how it is, like it or fcuk off and then theres us - the Brits We pay 40% tax to subsidise everyone and anyone that gets on a plane train or boat to the UK, so that our government can give them housing, benefits and enough money that the majority take without giving fcuk all back. Here,Here I couldn't agree more! That's why I left, tired of paying taxes to support so many spongers! Racist moi ? - if you say so :roll: Having immigrants into your own country then let them take the piss - yep thats the British. UAE - racist no, they are just protecting their interests and why shouldn't they, its their country and like i said in the begining, if you dont like it, then go elsewhere. End of So

Chocoholic

Agree with you Arnie. I nearly fell over when recently the UK government were talking about getting UK citizens overseas to pay tax! My butt, they gotta find me first, I'm not paying a penny to that country, so someone else can sponge off my hard earned cash. I' happily pay tax to the UAE, where I'm resident, but why the heck should I pay taxes to a country I'm not resident in, nor have any intention of goig back to.

arniegang

you are probably referring to the Revenue getting tax from all those who are UK residents but have offshore accounts and not declaring their untaxed interest Chocs. Currently if you are absent for more that 186 days a year you are safe and not subject to UK tax.

scarlet

my cats racist. Every time a workman enters the house to deliver furniture or for maintenance he hides under the couch cover. What to do about this. What does it say?

Sydneysider

one thing i have found is that most south asians i have encountered here seem to me incredibly respectful of others in a way that may seem almost deferrent (tho i don't perceive it that way). perhaps this cultural emphasis on respect is mistaken as a sign of weakness/inferiority? i have found arab people i have encountered as extremely hospitable and humble. 'locals' i have had the pleasure to meet=lovely. saudis whom i were told are 'arrogant'=lovely & proud of their culture. i risk stereotyping two groups of people (i'm an anglo-american) and i apologise, but if i have done so, it is only in an honestly positive way because this is how i have perceived my own personal treatment/reception. i'm not naive and have been around (and lived a few places) a while BUT there are jerks in every group/race/class. dubai-- no exception. yes, there is a class system here-- like everywhere else. but dubai is pretty OK imho. let a thousand flowers bloom...

gtmash

Sydneysider wrote: one thing i have found is that most south asians i have encountered here seem to me incredibly respectful of others in a way that may seem almost deferrent (tho i don't perceive it that way). perhaps this cultural emphasis on respect is mistaken as a sign of weakness/inferiority? i have found arab people i have encountered as extremely hospitable and humble. 'locals' i have had the pleasure to meet=lovely. saudis whom i were told are 'arrogant'=lovely & proud of their culture. i risk stereotyping two groups of people (i'm an anglo-american) and i apologise, but if i have done so, it is only in an honestly positive way because this is how i have perceived my own personal treatment/reception. i'm not naive and have been around (and lived a few places) a while BUT there are jerks in every group/race/class. dubai-- no exception. yes, there is a class system here-- like everywhere else. but dubai is pretty OK imho. let a thousand flowers bloom... You just said you are anglo-american. That automatically gets you respect here, no matter where the other person is from.

jabbajabba

Sydneysider wrote: one thing i have found is that most south asians i have encountered here seem to me incredibly respectful of others in a way that may seem almost deferrent (tho i don't perceive it that way). perhaps this cultural emphasis on respect is mistaken as a sign of weakness/inferiority? i have found arab people i have encountered as extremely hospitable and humble. 'locals' i have had the pleasure to meet=lovely. saudis whom i were told are 'arrogant'=lovely & proud of their culture. i risk stereotyping two groups of people (i'm an anglo-american) and i apologise, but if i have done so, it is only in an honestly positive way because this is how i have perceived my own personal treatment/reception. i'm not naive and have been around (and lived a few places) a while BUT there are jerks in every group/race/class. dubai-- no exception. yes, there is a class system here-- like everywhere else. but dubai is pretty OK imho. let a thousand flowers bloom... That is true - philpinos are some of the nicest and friendly people I have met in Dubai. I wish they would all come to the UK instead ;)

SCY

^Filipino workers are no longer welcome to work in UK due to EU. I think UK should focus on the real illegal immigrants, and not the group of workers, who went there legally to work.

Humbleman

Very interesting thread I am original from the Gulf myself. I decided to immigrate to a Western country sometime ago just to see what’s the life looks like in the another part of the world. Message going to be a bit long, but it will be educational once you’ve read it, because what am about to tell you is based on my true experience. As grew up I unconsciously inherited an attitude/belief which was prevalent amongst local people at that time, that, Indians and other workers (unskilled workers) who come from undeveloped countries were ought to be less intelligent, sophisticated, and educated. Yes it’s true, sadly and regrettably I did at some stages look down at those people. It wasn’t as I hated or wanted to harm them, I just thought at that time it was a normal way to do so. It was a paradox, because Islam is strictly emphasized in equality between all people, regardless of their gender, race, colour, wealth etc - all people must be treated fairly and respectfully. Looking at it now, I fully understand why I did behave in such a manner toward that people. I put down to few reasons: The first reason was that, I wasn’t aware that my manner was condescending and hurtful to those people, and I squarely blame on the fact that at school there was no education on human right or knowledge on what constitute prejudice or racism. The funny thing was that, my school itself had students from all colours, you name it, white, black, brown, olive skin etc, however because we were local we therefore saw no one better than another, we were just like one. Second reason which probably still exist to this date is that, local people would more likely to look for a skill worker from a Western country because their countries can vouch for them. For example, most Western countries have the best designed road, bridges, work ethic ext, you might argue that this isn’t always the case, well am afraid that’s the reception, and let’s be fair to say these folks have good education systems, good governments and good law, so lets give them credit for that. So that’s why they would be given critical and important jobs. Compare that with the perception that local people have about India or Africa countries, in which it would be that, corruptions is a norm and a way of life in India or Africa countries. The reason that they would think so is not because they hate or dislike Indian or African people, but because when they look at these countries see them in a bad shape, whether economically or in the way that their citizens lives. Their confidence of choosing a skill worker from their would be more likely to be less enthusiastic, unlike of they would choose a worker from a Western country. I cannot emphasize enough on how important education is to eliminate or at least reduce prejudices and racism. I never understood how condescending and prejudice I was till I started my degree, and then I realized that I was prejudice in some of my behaviours especially toward non-local people without me knowing that it was wrong. I remember my dad was very gracious toward a driver who used to take us to school, he cares about him so much, and he even would reprimand me and my brother if we would say something that would upset him. I remember he even wouldn’t trust me or my brother to do a weekly fruit shopping, he only would trust that guy. The moral of this story is that, people whether in the UAE or other gulf countries are not racist. Some people in there might do something out of ignorance, believe me. But then again, isn’t it that prejudice is an inseparable part of human species. Don’t you think we somehow practice prejudice on daily basis whether by making a quick impression about someone or even by thinking that our country or culture is the best. Think about it. I live in a Western country, and I see prejudice everywhere, usually by those who are ignorant and less educated. Personally, I see all humans are the same, I do realize though that people are different in term of skills, educations, cultures, and there is nothing wrong if someone gets a high salary because he/she highly qualifies for it, but what I do think is wrong is that when someone gets judged just because of his/her culture or colour. We all human beings and therefore we ought be respected and treated fairly. In term of citizenship, you have to understand that Western countries need more population, and they are very selective of whom they granted a citizenship – and that’s their prerogative. In other countries like China or in Israel where have to be a Jewish in order to be a citizen. So why the blame, it is the UAE’s prerogative to grant a citizenship to a person if it sees that person qualifies or would be a benefit its future. Final message, please don’t put up with racism or prejudice even if it comes from your won brother or sister. Peace/love

project3030

I like DXB...........but i'll be pissed if the Arabs deny my entry into the clubs!

Chocoholic

It won't be the Arabs that deny you entry to the clubs, as many of them have problems to. No no it'll be your fellow countrymen! Many of the old, expat bars and clubs, run on a members only rule, if you're not a member, then you have to pay or you may be denied entry. Simple as.

project3030

When I mean club, im not referring to Trilogy, etc. I'm referring to clubs such as York, Rattlesnake, Rock bottom Places where I will find women whom I can take back to the hotel for money. That's my question

muslimbangladeshi

Is racism an accepted issue in Dubai? I' ve never been to Dubai, so would be eager to know more. What is the "pecking order" that some people have talked about? Which "race" is the topmost and which are placed lower? Why does Dubai even employ so many Indians? I am disgusted by this myself. Why doesn't Dubai look into filling all the positions with more employees from its "brotherly countries"? There are forums where I hear these ***** Indians talk ill of Arabs and Islam in general. Why do you allow these ingrates to remain in Dubai? Kick them in the gut, where it hurts. Once they go back to their own poverty struck homeland, they'll miss the "racism" of Dubai because of the grinding poverty that is a reality in their daily lives. Nothing against ordinary Indians. Just had to get some facts straight. Moreover Dubai didn't invade to kill millions of innocent people like USA, UK and the Western world has done, in this era. Racism, violence, religion discrimination, etc are part and parcel of every Western and Oriental (Chinese Japanese Korean Singapore Hong Kong Thailand ) society.

reviewer

muslimbangladeshi wrote: Is racism an accepted issue in Dubai? I' ve never been to Dubai, so would be eager to know more. What is the "pecking order" that some people have talked about? Which "race" is the topmost and which are placed lower? Why does Dubai even employ so many Indians? I am disgusted by this myself. Why doesn't Dubai look into filling all the positions with more employees from its "brotherly countries"? There are forums where I hear these ***** Indians talk ill of Arabs and Islam in general. Why do you allow these ingrates to remain in Dubai? Kick them in the gut, where it hurts. Once they go back to their own poverty struck homeland, they'll miss the "racism" of Dubai because of the grinding poverty that is a reality in their daily lives. Nothing against ordinary Indians. Just had to get some facts straight. Moreover Dubai didn't invade to kill millions of innocent people like USA, UK and the Western world has done, in this era. Racism, violence, religion discrimination, etc are part and parcel of every Western and Oriental (Chinese Japanese Korean Singapore Hong Kong Thailand ) society. Geeez...is it you (bangladeshi) against everyone....whats next...you'll call for jihad I suppose........ It is you who needs to straighten up their facts in the first place...... :roll: 8)

muslimbangladeshi

reviewer wrote: muslimbangladeshi wrote: Is racism an accepted issue in Dubai? I' ve never been to Dubai, so would be eager to know more. What is the "pecking order" that some people have talked about? Which "race" is the topmost and which are placed lower? Why does Dubai even employ so many Indians? I am disgusted by this myself. Why doesn't Dubai look into filling all the positions with more employees from its "brotherly countries"? There are forums where I hear these ***** Indians talk ill of Arabs and Islam in general. Why do you allow these ingrates to remain in Dubai? Kick them in the gut, where it hurts. Once they go back to their own poverty struck homeland, they'll miss the "racism" of Dubai because of the grinding poverty that is a reality in their daily lives. Nothing against ordinary Indians. Just had to get some facts straight. Moreover Dubai didn't invade to kill millions of innocent people like USA, UK and the Western world has done, in this era. Racism, violence, religion discrimination, etc are part and parcel of every Western and Oriental (Chinese Japanese Korean Singapore Hong Kong Thailand ) society. Geeez...is it you (bangladeshi) against everyone....whats next...you'll call for jihad I suppose........ It is you who needs to straighten up their facts in the first place...... :roll: 8) Are you an Indian or Westerner? If that's the case, I suggest you lighten up, disconnect yourself from the internet, come back after a few days, think from a neutral p.o.v. That'll straighten things up. Who do you think I'm against? I don't get what makes your reply so illogical, but one explanation is your an Indian or Westerner, and seeing facts may have hurt your 'ego'. I love dealing with facts.

reviewer

muslimbangladeshi wrote: reviewer wrote: muslimbangladeshi wrote: Is racism an accepted issue in Dubai? I' ve never been to Dubai, so would be eager to know more. What is the "pecking order" that some people have talked about? Which "race" is the topmost and which are placed lower? Why does Dubai even employ so many Indians? I am disgusted by this myself. Why doesn't Dubai look into filling all the positions with more employees from its "brotherly countries"? There are forums where I hear these ***** Indians talk ill of Arabs and Islam in general. Why do you allow these ingrates to remain in Dubai? Kick them in the gut, where it hurts. Once they go back to their own poverty struck homeland, they'll miss the "racism" of Dubai because of the grinding poverty that is a reality in their daily lives. You want them replace by your compatriots..right. Nothing against ordinary Indians. Just had to get some facts straight. Really, sounds like prejudice..... Moreover Dubai didn't invade to kill millions of innocent people like USA, UK and the Western world has done, in this era. Racism, violence, religion discrimination, etc are part and parcel of every Western and Oriental (Chinese Japanese Korean Singapore Hong Kong Thailand ) society. Violence is goes hand in hand in your pre/post election day, isnt it... Geeez...is it you (bangladeshi) against everyone....whats next...you'll call for jihad I suppose........ It is you who needs to straighten up their facts in the first place...... :roll: 8) Are you an Indian or Westerner? If that's the case, I suggest you lighten up, disconnect yourself from the internet, come back after a few days, think from a neutral p.o.v. That'll straighten things up. Who do you think I'm against? I don't get what makes your reply so illogical, but one explanation is your an Indian or Westerner, and seeing facts may have hurt your 'ego'. I love dealing with facts. I bet you do...except the wrong ones 8) I wonder where you got your facts, I suppose from fellow no-brainer-brainwashed dude like you. I always research my facts and not just listen nor read from books of self anointed preacher.... To make you more ecstatic, Im not an Indian but do like SRK and samosas, good ole curry and pirni.... :lol: :roll:

muslimbangladeshi

Where are you from? If India supports "Israel", Indians are ingrates who rant against Arabs and hate "Islam" and "Muslims", why shouldn't Arabs kick Indians out of Arab countries? ALL you did was write your opinions. No established facts. Let's quote Quote: You want them replace by your compatriots..right. I didn't say that. You just made it up. [color=red]1[/color] Quote: Really, sounds like prejudice..... That's your opinion. It just sounds like that to you. We don't know who you are, what your background is, nor your reasons for thinking so. [color=red]2[/color] Quote: Violence is goes hand in hand in your pre/post election day, isnt it... Not withstanding that it seems to be an ill constructed sentence, it doesn't make sense at all. If you're talking about election in Bangladesh, what does violence have to do with it or racism for that matter in the Western/Oriental (Chinese Korean) world? [color=red]3[/color] Quote: I bet you do...except the wrong ones Again stated something without proof, a shred of evidence or backing yourself up with logic. [color=red]4[/color] Quote: I wonder where you got your facts, I suppose from fellow no-brainer-brainwashed dude like you. I always research my facts and not just listen nor read from books of self anointed preacher.... To make you more ecstatic, Im not an Indian but do like SRK and samosas, good ole curry and pirni... Except for infantile attempts to malign me, and try to prove your credibility by stating some superficial items to identify with "Indian culture" you stated nothing here. Again no points. You made no impression at all. Where did you even learn things from? The point of the thread was Dubai, I asked a few questions on it, and you jumped up as if somebody put a few red chillies inside your undergarments, using a one-liner accusing me of causing hatred. You had no facts to share, or no information to divulge on Dubai, racism in the Western world or the Oriental world (meaning Chinese Korean Taiwanese etc)

Chocoholic

Reviewer, forget it mate. He's a troll that just appears every now and again and rants and raves about nothing in particular, proving his narrow minded views. Let's face it, he comes from a place where his countrymen will burn effigies and rant and rave and riot against their cricket team because they lost - pffff Lost cause.

muslimbangladeshi

Chocoholic wrote: Reviewer, forget it mate. He's a troll that just appears every now and again and rants and raves about nothing in particular, proving his narrow minded views. Let's face it, he comes from a place where his countrymen will burn effigies and rant and rave and riot against their cricket team because they lost - pffff Lost cause. The bold part actually shows what racism is like in Dubai. And despite much rantings against local Emiratis, it seems it's a Westerner who acts racist over here. Hmm... Moreover you also got your facts wrong. Bangladesh cricket team loses all too often for the mobs to set fire on effigies. You are talking of Pakistan and Indian cricket teams which faced this fate after 2007 World Cup in the Caribbean. Also calling me a troll without specifying a reason doesn't look good on you. Can you show some facts that prove me wrong? I'm waiting.

Chocoholic

Hey I love the locals man, I have lots of Emirati friends! The majority of you guys all look the same to me and I couldn't care less about you! End of.

reviewer

muslimbangladeshi wrote: Where are you from? If India supports "Israel", Indians are ingrates who rant against Arabs and hate "Islam" and "Muslims", why shouldn't Arabs kick Indians out of Arab countries? [color=blue]Government policy does not make all Indians be it Muslims, Hindus, Sikh, Catholics guilty of being ingrate.[/color] ALL you did was write your opinions. No established facts. Let's quote Quote: You want them replace by your compatriots..right. I didn't say that. You just made it up. [color=red]1[/color] [color=blue]Nah, Im sure of it......[/color] Quote: Really, sounds like prejudice..... That's your opinion. It just sounds like that to you. We don't know who you are, what your background is, nor your reasons for thinking so. [color=red]2[/color] Now, Im totally sure it is .... Quote: Violence is goes hand in hand in your pre/post election day, isnt it... Not withstanding that it seems to be an ill constructed sentence, it doesn't make sense at all. If you're talking about election in Bangladesh, what does violence have to do with it or racism for that matter in the Western/Oriental (Chinese Korean) world? [color=red]3[/color] [color=blue]Your talking of violence as a western ideals, yet you blindly chose not to look at the violence in your country's election. Its a fact.[/color] Quote: I bet you do...except the wrong ones Again stated something without proof, a shred of evidence or backing yourself up with logic. [color=red]4[/color] Quote: I wonder where you got your facts, I suppose from fellow no-brainer-brainwashed dude like you. I always research my facts and not just listen nor read from books of self anointed preacher.... [color=blue]Are you really sure, I bet not[/color] ...... To make you more ecstatic, Im not an Indian but do like SRK and samosas, good ole curry and pirni... Except for infantile attempts to malign me, and try to prove your credibility by stating some superficial items to identify with "Indian culture" you stated nothing here. [color=blue]Geez, malign you......look at your previous post and tell me who's maligning who.....[/color] Again no points. You made no impression at all. Where did you even learn things from? [color=blue]Points? This is the part that tells it all..... about you....Your here to impress...A case of another ADHD.......[/color] The point of the thread was Dubai, I asked a few questions on it, and you jumped up as if somebody put a few red chillies inside your undergarments, using a one-liner accusing me of causing hatred. [color=blue]I agree that you don't really see the point in the first place.....[/color] You had no facts to share, or no information to divulge on Dubai, racism in the Western world or the Oriental world (meaning Chinese Korean Taiwanese etc) This topic is awy too big for you, when you can present facts,,,,then put it before maligning (in your own words) or stirring up things in this forum. This forum is not new to people like you here.......

muslimbangladeshi

Reviewer, I haven't seen/heard of/interacted with a bigger imbecile in last 3 years. What has any of your one liner directed at trying to prove me wrong got to do with this thread topic? Can you read the title of this thread? Moreover, lets forget all the nonsense you scribed retorting to my well constructed posts. Quote: I wonder where you got your facts, I suppose from fellow no-brainer-brainwashed dude like you. I always research my facts and not just listen nor read from books of self anointed preacher.... [color=blue]Are you really sure, I bet not ......[/color] To make you more ecstatic, Im not an Indian but do like SRK and samosas, good ole curry and pirni... YOU first stated Quote: I always research my facts and not just listen nor read from books of self anointed preacher.... Then YOU replied to YOUR OWN SELF thus Quote: [color=blue]Are you really sure, I bet not ......[/color] That was hilarious, only it shows the imbecility of your post much more clearly than the rest of it. :lol: Where are you from?

muslimbangladeshi

Quote: I wonder where you got your facts, I suppose from fellow no-brainer-brainwashed dude like you. I always research my facts and not just listen nor read from books of self anointed preacher.... [color=blue]Are you really sure, I bet not ......[/color] To make you more ecstatic, Im not an Indian but do like SRK and samosas, good ole curry and pirni... You replied to YOURSELF

Chocoholic

Says the imbecile who double posts and replies to himself! What does it matter where he's from? Man, you have such a chip on your shoulder it's unbelievable.

muslimbangladeshi

Says the idiot who doesn't know double posts are made to due connectivity problems or forum software issues all the time, in other fora too. The very same idiot who hasn't made a single good point yet apart from delving into facile comparisons to denigrate others.

muslimbangladeshi

Chocoholic wrote: Hey I love the locals man, I have lots of Emirati friends! The majority of you guys all look the same to me and I couldn't care less about you! End of. You couldn't care less yet you never cease replying here. Gee either you have a chip on your shoulder or being facetious. Maybe a bit of both?

Chocoholic

Whatever, you always rock up here, with the big CHIP on your shoulder western bashing and blah blah blah, never saying anything decent.

muslimbangladeshi

Do you have anything to contribute to this thread other than blaming intelligent posters?

Chocoholic

Pffff you're not exactly intelligent posting are you? ranting and raving about the same old same old. The pecking order of the UAE: Arabs white westerners everyone else

muslimbangladeshi

Can you point to what exactly I am supposedly raving about? Is the pecking order based on nationality, religion, language or what exactly? Arabs are not a race nor a nationality.

Chocoholic

:roll:

Dubai Knight

muslimbangladeshi wrote: Can you point to what exactly I am supposedly raving about? Is the pecking order based on nationality, religion, language or what exactly? Arabs are not a race nor a nationality. Pedantic comment. Arabs=Those with ancestry from 'Arabia'...the Arabian Peninsula that starts at the Red Sea in Jordan and goes all the way to Oman and Yemen and includes Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE. Egyptians are African. Jordan/Lebanon/Syria/Palestine and (yes I dare say it Israel) are Levantine and Eastern Mediterranean Iranians are Persian 'Western' means hailing from any country that is European, North American or, stragely enough, Australian. It generally refers to complexion colour and is possibly a reference to education levels rather than religious leanings. As your name suggests, you are Bangladeshi, which used to be called Eastern Pakistan and before that 'India'...which means you are from Asia. Therefore in the 'Arabs' eyes, lower on the pecking order than people from Yemen. The 'Arabs' seem to forget from time to time that they only constitute less than10% of the entire Muslim world, however you will still be discriminated against because you are not 'Arab' Muslim. Sorry. Thats the way of this world. Its not perfect, but then what is? :shock: :shock: :shock: Knight

muslimbangladeshi

It'd be extremely sad if indeed what you said is correct. However I doubt your comments are totally accurate. For one, Pakistan is highly favoured by the Khaleej countries for investments, military ties and that's solely due to the brotherly links. What I fail to understand, if it is true at all, is why the Khaleejis would favour non Muslims from Western world over Muslims, wherever they may be from. The rest of your post seemed quite a gross generalization and a bit pedantic to be fair, as most of it is already known to me. Except for the exact attitude of local Emiratis towards foreigners. I haven't yet found out with any definite proof that Emiratis are indeed racist to the extent you say even to their fellow Muslims. I have heard that if you are a well educated, let's say Bangladeshi, holding high paying and socially well regarded jobs, you are going to be treated better. It's just that most Bangladeshis, Indians, Pakistanis, Filipinos etc tend to be not very highly educated, which skews the perception of Arab behaviour towards the "Asians". Maybe it's the less educated and less well off only who are ill conceived of.

Chocoholic

Sad to say, but even though you might be muslim, in the eyes of Emiratis, your people are nothing more than cheap slave labour to them.

muslimbangladeshi

Are you an Emirati? How can you speak for the ordinary Emirati? Most Bangladeshis working in Emirates ARE unskilled labourers. Question is , do Emiratis favour their fellow Muslims from anywhere from Morocco to Indonesia, Russia to South Africa, over a nonmuslim westerner? Or a nonmuslim Oriental (Chinese Japanese etc)? Is Turkey considered western/European? How are Turks treated? What if the education level of the foreign Muslim is greater than the Western nonmuslim in question? I would like to see some definitive evidence, like surveys conducted, actual events that made it to newspapers, or Emiratis themselves giving a glimpse of the Emirati mindset (there is no single Emirati mindset, but gauging from the replies MAY help in judging if Chocoholic is just pulling our legs)

reviewer

muslimbangladeshi wrote: Reviewer, I haven't seen/heard of/interacted with a bigger imbecile in last 3 years. What has any of your one liner directed at trying to prove me wrong got to do with this thread topic? Can you read the title of this thread? Moreover, lets forget all the nonsense you scribed retorting to my well constructed posts. Quote: I wonder where you got your facts, I suppose from fellow no-brainer-brainwashed dude like you. I always research my facts and not just listen nor read from books of self anointed preacher.... [color=blue]Are you really sure, I bet not ......[/color] To make you more ecstatic, Im not an Indian but do like SRK and samosas, good ole curry and pirni... YOU first stated Quote: I always research my facts and not just listen nor read from books of self anointed preacher.... Then YOU replied to YOUR OWN SELF thus Quote: [color=blue]Are you really sure, I bet not ......[/color] That was hilarious, only it shows the imbecility of your post much more clearly than the rest of it. :lol: Where are you from? Does it matter where Im from......imbecile ...me..nah...but not as impotent as you are...... 8) You're here clearly to rant about opinions you basically borrow from some horses mouth and make it your own. Grow up..... My apologies, species like you dont grow as your stunted already....

reviewer

Chocoholic wrote: Reviewer, forget it mate. He's a troll that just appears every now and again and rants and raves about nothing in particular, proving his narrow minded views. Let's face it, he comes from a place where his countrymen will burn effigies and rant and rave and riot against their cricket team because they lost - pffff Lost cause. Agree with you chocs.....better prepare for the night out...... :D

tomjerry0506

If there is some GCC/Arab/US/Europe or any white skinned people instead of the mentioned Indian man, the ME man will not be a rude like this..1000% sure!

muslimbangladeshi

reviewer wrote: muslimbangladeshi wrote: Reviewer, I haven't seen/heard of/interacted with a bigger imbecile in last 3 years. What has any of your one liner directed at trying to prove me wrong got to do with this thread topic? Can you read the title of this thread? Moreover, lets forget all the nonsense you scribed retorting to my well constructed posts. Quote: I wonder where you got your facts, I suppose from fellow no-brainer-brainwashed dude like you. I always research my facts and not just listen nor read from books of self anointed preacher.... [color=blue]Are you really sure, I bet not ......[/color] To make you more ecstatic, Im not an Indian but do like SRK and samosas, good ole curry and pirni... YOU first stated Quote: I always research my facts and not just listen nor read from books of self anointed preacher.... Then YOU replied to YOUR OWN SELF thus Quote: [color=blue]Are you really sure, I bet not ......[/color] That was hilarious, only it shows the imbecility of your post much more clearly than the rest of it. :lol: Where are you from? Does it matter where Im from......imbecile ...me..nah...but not as impotent as you are...... 8) You're here clearly to rant about opinions you basically borrow from some horses mouth and make it your own. Grow up..... My apologies, species like you dont grow as your stunted already.... The imbecile is the one who tried to prove he is smart by replying to himself in pejorative tone. The imbecile is the one who tried to show off his knowledge of foreign cultures by including a few token items as beloved aspects of that culture. The imbecile is the one who calls others imbecile upon being asked about his nationality. The imbecile is the one who calls someone who he has not seen or met more impotent than himself.

muslimbangladeshi

Is there any Emirati or Arab person in this forum? Seems like its dominated by some good for nothing Westerners who are idiotic enough to bring along all the packages of their lewd lascivious and promiscuous culture with them to Dubai. And moreover blame Dubai and its culture, religion, language, customs, society or something related to it, in one way or another when they themselves are to be blamed for not adapting to the foreign environment.

Flying Dutchman

muslimbangladeshi wrote: Is there any Emirati or Arab person in this forum? Seems like its dominated by some good for nothing Westerners who are idiotic enough to bring along all the packages of their lewd lascivious and promiscuous culture with them to Dubai. And moreover blame Dubai and its culture, religion, language, customs, society or something related to it, in one way or another when they themselves are to be blamed for not adapting to the foreign environment. I love you!

muslimbangladeshi

Flying Dutchman wrote: I love you! Homosexuality is widespread in the West, I hope you abandon it.

Flying Dutchman

muslimbangladeshi wrote: Flying Dutchman wrote: I love you! Homosexuality is widespread in the West, I hope you abandon it. You see and that is the difference! Me love, you hate and trying to make fun out of somebody!

puppypup

My gay friend said homosexuality is very widespread among Arabs but they'll die if found out. He's also met more Arab and Swedish transgender people than any other ethnic groups. Iran allows sex-change operations. Do Arab nations too?

muslimbangladeshi

puppyup, you may hang out with faggots. I don't nor do I have an interest in what they have to say. Dutchman, I did not mock you.

Flying Dutchman

muslimbangladeshi wrote: Dutchman, I did not mock you. OK mb. Best wishes for 2009 and all the best! I like discussing politics and religion and it does get emotional and heated at times, but there is also a time to calm down and maybe even laugh at yourself. You seem to be an articulate guy and I hope you spend some more time in here. Try to remember that the boogey man is not always to get you...

kanelli

muslimbangladeshi wrote: Is there any Emirati or Arab person in this forum? Seems like its dominated by some good for nothing Westerners who are idiotic enough to bring along all the packages of their lewd lascivious and promiscuous culture with them to Dubai. And moreover blame Dubai and its culture, religion, language, customs, society or something related to it, in one way or another when they themselves are to be blamed for not adapting to the foreign environment. :lol: Yeah, I was a good for nothing living monogamously with my husband and child in Dubai, doing family things that everyone else of other nationalities, religions, etc do with their families. But, I know I'm scum because I think it is okay to date and have s.e.x before marriage, and I have hom.o.se.x.ual friends, and I don't cover myself from head to toe in loose black fabric. I'm sure that I had a terribly corrupting influence on Dubai while I was there. :lol:

muslimbangladeshi

Flying Dutchman wrote: muslimbangladeshi wrote: Dutchman, I did not mock you. OK mb. Best wishes for 2009 and all the best! I like discussing politics and religion and it does get emotional and heated at times, but there is also a time to calm down and maybe even laugh at yourself. You seem to be an articulate guy and I hope you spend some more time in here. Try to remember that the boogey man is not always to get you... Same to you.

muslimbangladeshi

kanelli wrote: muslimbangladeshi wrote: Is there any Emirati or Arab person in this forum? Seems like its dominated by some good for nothing Westerners who are idiotic enough to bring along all the packages of their lewd lascivious and promiscuous culture with them to Dubai. And moreover blame Dubai and its culture, religion, language, customs, society or something related to it, in one way or another when they themselves are to be blamed for not adapting to the foreign environment. :lol: Yeah, I was a good for nothing living monogamously with my husband and child in Dubai, doing family things that everyone else of other nationalities, religions, etc do with their families. But, I know I'm scum because I think it is okay to date and have s.e.x before marriage, and I have hom.o.se.x.ual friends, and I don't cover myself from head to toe in loose black fabric. I'm sure that I had a terribly corrupting influence on Dubai while I was there. :lol: Dont have much time now, will hopefully reply later Inshallah. I hope you abandon homosexuality and/or lewd sexual and immoral behaviour if that's what you mentioned.

kanelli

Well, unlike you, I have read your posts carefully, and I hope you abandon posting on this forum. 8)

arniegang

muslimbangladeshi wrote: Flying Dutchman wrote: I love you! Homosexuality is widespread in the West, I hope you abandon it. Homosexuality and beastiality is widespead in Dubai too. Its mainly the Muslims that also drink in the bars and pay buckets loads of cash for Russian prostitutes i may add. Beastiality was mentioned for the UAE locals benefit, that was arrested after falling in love and poking his camel :lol: Not too mention the 15 Abu Dhabi & Dubai locals that were arrested at a Gay Wedding. :P

Humbleman

In reply “You will still be discriminated against because you are not 'Arab' Muslim.” Wow, slow down tiger. This is utterly untrue. You’ve forced me to say that, unlike in some Western countries where one is more likely to be judged on his/her colour rather than the education level. In the Arab world they are more likely to place more emphasis on one’s education, wealth, and image. In my opinion, this is still discrimination. However I’d be rather judged on my achievement rather on my colour. When I started looking for a job in a Western country at first I was shocked to found out that, who you know in a company is very important to secure you a job, not primarily your education level. This attitude is widely adopted by the majority of people. Once I mastered the game, I got the job that I wanted because I found someone who knows the CEO of the company. In reply “Western' means hailing from any country that is European, North American or, stragely enough, Australian. It generally refers to complexion colour and is possibly a reference to education levels rather than religious leanings” Hang on, aren’t you aware that Western countries have became countries of all colours – which means you don’t have to be pale whites to be from the West. In regard to education, well if you visit some Western countries, you’d be surprise to find so many well-educated migrants are doing menial jobs so they could support their families, because they haven’t been given the opportunities. By the way, Moroccan, Egyptian, Lebanese etc would identify themselves as Arabs (even though lots of them are Christians) – but what usually amuse me is that they don’t often get along. Islam is a religion identity just like any other religions. it has over a billion followers from all races, colours, classes and genders. It’s not the religions that make some people behave appallingly, most religions put emphasis on equality, compassion and forgiveness. It’s the humans ignorant, insecurity and narcissism are what make them behave in such manners. So I agree with you, the world isn’t perfect, whether in the East or the West. Hope that help Peace/Love

muslimbangladeshi

Humbleman wrote: In reply “You will still be discriminated against because you are not 'Arab' Muslim.” Wow, slow down tiger. This is utterly untrue. You’ve forced me to say that, unlike in some Western countries where one is more likely to be judged on his/her colour rather than the education level. In the Arab world they are more likely to place more emphasis on one’s education, wealth, and image. In my opinion, this is still discrimination. However I’d be rather judged on my achievement rather on my colour. When I started looking for a job in a Western country at first I was shocked to found out that, who you know in a company is very important to secure you a job, not primarily your education level. This attitude is widely adopted by the majority of people. Once I mastered the game, I got the job that I wanted because I found someone who knows the CEO of the company. In reply “Western' means hailing from any country that is European, North American or, stragely enough, Australian. It generally refers to complexion colour and is possibly a reference to education levels rather than religious leanings” Hang on, aren’t you aware that Western countries have became countries of all colours – which means you don’t have to be pale whites to be from the West. In regard to education, well if you visit some Western countries, you’d be surprise to find so many well-educated migrants are doing menial jobs so they could support their families, because they haven’t been given the opportunities. By the way, Moroccan, Egyptian, Lebanese etc would identify themselves as Arabs (even though lots of them are Christians) – but what usually amuse me is that they don’t often get along. Islam is a religion identity just like any other religions. it has over a billion followers from all races, colours, classes and genders. It’s not the religions that make some people behave appallingly, most religions put emphasis on equality, compassion and forgiveness. It’s the humans ignorant, insecurity and narcissism are what make them behave in such manners. So I agree with you, the world isn’t perfect, whether in the East or the West. Hope that help Peace/Love Alhamdulillah, great post brother Humbleman. Are you a local Emirati brother? I have great regards for Dubai (whether you are Emirati or not) and the United Arab Emirates, in my view it's one of the most amazing countries in the world. And probably the first candidate for being a developed country in the Muslim world. Qatar and Kuwait can also be considered developed countries. It's a matter of convention if the governments decide to declare themselves developed or not. I have nothing against Westerners, some of them are Muslims already and I hope more and more of them and all others from the world embrace Islam. I dont hate Christians, so if somebody stays that way its still good. I just object to the lascivious, lewd, promiscuity brought along by many a Westerner to Dubai and elsewhere when they move. They should drop all that baggage off at home or not come at all.

muslimbangladeshi

arniegang wrote: muslimbangladeshi wrote: Flying Dutchman wrote: I love you! Homosexuality is widespread in the West, I hope you abandon it. Homosexuality and beastiality is widespead in Dubai too. Its mainly the Muslims that also drink in the bars and pay buckets loads of cash for Russian prostitutes i may add. Beastiality was mentioned for the UAE locals benefit, that was arrested after falling in love and poking his camel :lol: Not too mention the 15 Abu Dhabi & Dubai locals that were arrested at a Gay Wedding. :P I dont have much interest in your homosexual and beastility perversion. Making up stories about our Emirati brothers as you go won't affect my impression of our brothers.

Chocoholic

Making up stories? Oh right so the recent 3 or 4 cases about local kids gang raping other boys and being charged for it, reported in the papers is all lies is it? Righto! Dudde, you really, really have to take off those rose tinted glasses! Dubai would not survive without the western influence it is a TOURIST city! If you choose not to get involved with certain things and believe certain things then that my friend is YOUR choice! and you have no right whatsoever to have ago for other peoples lifestyle choices, s.e.xuality, religion or anything else! And no I hope people don't embrace religion! To me it is the cause of most of the problems in this world and we'd be better off without any of them! Oh and you keep asking for locals to reply to you? Hmmm well funny that not one has, considering there are losts of locals who are members of this forum, that surely should tell you something - 'brother'! And yeah I can speak for some, when sad to say I have quite a lot of local friends and they detest people like you!

Mahmoud04

well, I enjoyed reading what you people are writing above although I learned nothing from it at all. The idea is quite simple the world is not perfect, and you can't talk in the name of a country or a religion or even a family (hell no, thats why we have IDs), every person is different from another, we might share some habits, believes, concepts or even personalities. Western, Middle East, Far East, Muslims, Terrorists, and other terms were redefined by politicians to serve there goals. So when they say west this means some countries (omg, is Australia in the west). when they say Terrorist (it means turn the lens on the middle east). I believe what these politicians done is the cause of all the discrimination in our world. GOD bless Adam and Eve, (does anybody know were they western or black) happy new YR, M

kanelli

Sorry guys, but lewd and promiscuous behaviour happens all over the world and people of every skin colour and religion are behaving this way. To blame the West is to wear blinkers. Westerners are simply not hypocrites about it, while some people in other cultures/religions are. That's the difference :)

Humbleman

[quote="kanelli" Kanelli, the first part of what you said is absolutely true, but the last part you are straight up wrong. If we take for example the main religion in most Western countries which is Christianity, it is forbids promiscuities in all their forms. However, Wife, husbands are doing it without the knowledge of their wives or husbands – believe me I knew it. One of the major breaks up in marriages in the West is because husbands/wifes/grilfirends often caught cheating. So you are right, promiscuity is an inseparable part of all human kinds, guess we are no different from our closest species the monkey after all. Peace/love

arniegang

muslimbangladeshi wrote: arniegang wrote: muslimbangladeshi wrote: Flying Dutchman wrote: I love you! Homosexuality is widespread in the West, I hope you abandon it. Homosexuality and beastiality is widespead in Dubai too. Its mainly the Muslims that also drink in the bars and pay buckets loads of cash for Russian prostitutes i may add. Beastiality was mentioned for the UAE locals benefit, that was arrested after falling in love and poking his camel :lol: Not too mention the 15 Abu Dhabi & Dubai locals that were arrested at a Gay Wedding. :P I dont have much interest in your homosexual and beastility perversion. Making up stories about our Emirati brothers as you go won't affect my impression of our brothers. Its not a case of my interest. The local/camel and 15 arrests at a gay wedding in Abu Dhabi were well reported in both the Gulf News and Khaleej Times, or did both these papers "make it up"? If you want to see or know where locals and other Arabs are drinking and picking up protitutes, pm either myself, Chocs or DK and we can give you a list of hotels and bars where this happens. (its a fairly long list though)

arniegang

Humbleman wrote: [quote="kanelli" Kanelli, the first part of what you said is absolutely true, but the last part you are straight up wrong. If we take for example the main religion in most Western countries which is Christianity, it is forbids promiscuities in all their forms. However, Wife, husbands are doing it without the knowledge of their wives or husbands – believe me I knew it. One of the major breaks up in marriages in the West is because husbands/wifes/grilfirends often caught cheating. So you are right, promiscuity is an inseparable part of all human kinds, guess we are no different from our closest species the monkey after all. Peace/love Nonsence Humbleman Promiscuity and cheating exists where ever there are humans be it Western or Middle East. It happens in Dubai too, i know this may come as a shock. However i accept that incidence of being caught out is higher in western societies because we allow our wives/girl friends/partners more freedom. When i see Arabic woman "out on the town on a girlie night out" i may have to revise my opinion. I will tell you a fact. I had an Emaar appartment completed in in Phase II in the Marina. Our particular tower is 80% owned by Iranians and Iraqies. On my floor of 5 appartments, 2 of them were owned by a weathy man from Iraq. They had no furnishings apart from mattress's in the lounge and the bedrooms. Every thurs night they would arrive and leave every saturday night. There were usually around 8 of them and very nice people they were. However they made no secret of the reason for their visit and this was to drink alcohol and screw as many woman as they could. All this while their lovely arabic wives were at home tending their childrens and husbands needs ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. The moral is "it happens", whether we are Christian, Mulim, Jewish or whatever. Dont tar this a "western thing", it isn't, its a Muslim things as well. The difference being it is widely and openly reported is the west. In the Arabic world it is "unspoken and unreported".

muslimbangladeshi

Chocoholic wrote: Making up stories? Oh right so the recent 3 or 4 cases about local kids gang raping other boys and being charged for it, reported in the papers is all lies is it? Righto! Dudde, you really, really have to take off those rose tinted glasses! Dubai would not survive without the western influence it is a TOURIST city! If you choose not to get involved with certain things and believe certain things then that my friend is YOUR choice! and you have no right whatsoever to have ago for other peoples lifestyle choices, s.e.xuality, religion or anything else! And no I hope people don't embrace religion! To me it is the cause of most of the problems in this world and we'd be better off without any of them! Oh and you keep asking for locals to reply to you? Hmmm well funny that not one has, considering there are losts of locals who are members of this forum, that surely should tell you something - 'brother'! And yeah I can speak for some, when sad to say I have quite a lot of local friends and they detest people like you! I don't know if you are British but will you admit it is a fact that Brits were caught openly fornicating in a Dubai beach? Is it true only/mostly Westerners are found walking along in bikinis in beaches elsewhere/luxury cruisers/boats/wherever. Is it true the biggest suppliers of and consumers of alcoholic products are the Western countries? Is it true only in Western world it is legally possible to consume drugs like marijuana, have paedophile parties lobbying for ban on age limit for intercourse, have insulting Islam and Muslims 'protected' under the illusory and venerable concept they invented - that of 'freedom of speech' which is not what it means lexically in the Western world, BUT ban the right to question the Holocaust let alone deny it, that Western countries are hotbeds for abortions, premarital intercourse, beastility (they call it bordeollos/sth similar in Nordic countries), drug addiction, broken families, prostitution and that westerners are most often caught 'interfering' with children in Thailand or the Orient? This is just the 'tip of the iceberg'. Let's not say everybody does it. Let's not say it's indigenous to Dubai. Most importantly, let's not try to deny any facts about Westerners.

muslimbangladeshi

kanelli wrote: Sorry guys, but lewd and promiscuous behaviour happens all over the world and people of every skin colour and religion are behaving this way. To blame the West is to wear blinkers. Westerners are simply not hypocrites about it, while some people in other cultures/religions are. That's the difference :) Ridiculous. Trying to brush all the dirt under the carpet won't help. In the same vein, any criminality, immorality, problem or deficiency can be explained by a 'carefree' attitude that you displayed by assigning this deficiency/problem to each and every segment of world population, just that the one under spotlight is more upfront about it. For example, the whole world is equally rich. All the world's people have bucket load of gold bullions stored in hidden caches, it's just that Dubai, the Gulf, the Western world in general, Japan etc are more upfront about it. Do you believe this? Your 'story' is equally credible when no proof, no evidence backs your claims up.

muslimbangladeshi

arniegang wrote: Nonsence Humbleman Promiscuity and cheating exists where ever there are humans be it Western or Middle East. No. Quote: It happens in Dubai too, i know this may come as a shock. However i accept that incidence of being caught out is higher in western societies because we allow our wives/girl friends/partners more freedom. When i see Arabic woman "out on the town on a girlie night out" i may have to revise my opinion. A simple statement accepting the truth will be good enough. Along the lines of "Westerners are the primary exponents of promiscuous, lewd and immoral behaviour". Quote: I will tell you a fact. I had an Emaar appartment completed in in Phase II in the Marina. Our particular tower is 80% owned by Iranians and Iraqies. On my floor of 5 appartments, 2 of them were owned by a weathy man from Iraq. They had no furnishings apart from mattress's in the lounge and the bedrooms. Every thurs night they would arrive and leave every saturday night. There were usually around 8 of them and very nice people they were. However they made no secret of the reason for their visit and this was to drink alcohol and screw as many woman as they could. All this while their lovely arabic wives were at home tending their childrens and husbands needs ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. My advice to you - work on your fairy tale story, it needs some more improvement but you can perhaps author Dubai's own "Arabian Nights" or some other story collection. Key point is, it's still a story. I've also met people who are convinced they have seen ghosts, spirits etc. And I've also heard your story. Quote: The moral is "it happens", whether we are Christian, Mulim, Jewish or whatever. Dont tar this a "western thing", it isn't, its a Muslim things as well. The difference being it is widely and openly reported is the west. In the Arabic world it is "unspoken and unreported". Not familiar with "Mulim" community, but this parable was written by me a while ago. See if it is credible, if not maybe I can chip in with my own contribution to your Children's fairy tales collection/whatever else. the whole world is equally rich. All the world's people have bucket load of gold bullions stored in hidden caches, it's just that Dubai, the Gulf, the Western world in general, Japan etc are more upfront about it.

arniegang

muslimbangladeshi wrote: Chocoholic wrote: Making up stories? Oh right so the recent 3 or 4 cases about local kids gang raping other boys and being charged for it, reported in the papers is all lies is it? Righto! Dudde, you really, really have to take off those rose tinted glasses! Dubai would not survive without the western influence it is a TOURIST city! If you choose not to get involved with certain things and believe certain things then that my friend is YOUR choice! and you have no right whatsoever to have ago for other peoples lifestyle choices, s.e.xuality, religion or anything else! And no I hope people don't embrace religion! To me it is the cause of most of the problems in this world and we'd be better off without any of them! Oh and you keep asking for locals to reply to you? Hmmm well funny that not one has, considering there are losts of locals who are members of this forum, that surely should tell you something - 'brother'! And yeah I can speak for some, when sad to say I have quite a lot of local friends and they detest people like you! I don't know if you are British but will you admit it is a fact that Brits were caught openly fornicating in a Dubai beach? Is it true only/mostly Westerners are found trawling along in bikinis in beaches elsewhere/luxury cruisers/boats/wherever. Is it true the biggest suppliers of and consumers of alcoholic products are the Western countries? Is it true only in Western world it is legally possible to consume drugs like marijuana, have paedophile parties lobbying for ban on age limit for intercourse, have insulting Islam and Muslims 'protected' under the illusory and venerable concept they invented - that of 'freedom of speech' which is not what it means lexically in the Western world, BUT ban the right to question the Holocaust let alone deny it, that Western countries are hotbeds for abortions, premarital intercourse, beastility (they call it bordeollos/sth similar in Nordic countries), drug addiction, broken families, prostitution and that westerners are most often caught 'interfering' with children in Thailand or the Orient? This is just the 'tip of the iceberg'. Let's not say everybody does it. Let's not say it's indigenous to Dubai. Most importantly, let's not try to deny any facts about Westerners. One fact of interest is that Saudi Arabia is the largest sole importer of Scottish Malt Whiskey in the World. Facts are so interesting dont you agree??

muslimbangladeshi

arniegang wrote: muslimbangladeshi wrote: Chocoholic wrote: Making up stories? Oh right so the recent 3 or 4 cases about local kids gang raping other boys and being charged for it, reported in the papers is all lies is it? Righto! Dudde, you really, really have to take off those rose tinted glasses! Dubai would not survive without the western influence it is a TOURIST city! If you choose not to get involved with certain things and believe certain things then that my friend is YOUR choice! and you have no right whatsoever to have ago for other peoples lifestyle choices, s.e.xuality, religion or anything else! And no I hope people don't embrace religion! To me it is the cause of most of the problems in this world and we'd be better off without any of them! Oh and you keep asking for locals to reply to you? Hmmm well funny that not one has, considering there are losts of locals who are members of this forum, that surely should tell you something - 'brother'! And yeah I can speak for some, when sad to say I have quite a lot of local friends and they detest people like you! I don't know if you are British but will you admit it is a fact that Brits were caught openly fornicating in a Dubai beach? Is it true only/mostly Westerners are found trawling along in bikinis in beaches elsewhere/luxury cruisers/boats/wherever. Is it true the biggest suppliers of and consumers of alcoholic products are the Western countries? Is it true only in Western world it is legally possible to consume drugs like marijuana, have paedophile parties lobbying for ban on age limit for intercourse, have insulting Islam and Muslims 'protected' under the illusory and venerable concept they invented - that of 'freedom of speech' which is not what it means lexically in the Western world, BUT ban the right to question the Holocaust let alone deny it, that Western countries are hotbeds for abortions, premarital intercourse, beastility (they call it bordeollos/sth similar in Nordic countries), drug addiction, broken families, prostitution and that westerners are most often caught 'interfering' with children in Thailand or the Orient? This is just the 'tip of the iceberg'. Let's not say everybody does it. Let's not say it's indigenous to Dubai. Most importantly, let's not try to deny any facts about Westerners. One fact of interest is that Saudi Arabia is the largest sole importer of Scottish Malt Whiskey in the World. Facts are so interesting dont you agree?? I have no idea about alcohol. Tell me how I can verify your claim. A preliminary search was useless. Edit: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-07/24/content_647709.htm For 2005, none of the top 5 were Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia.

arniegang

Quote: I will tell you a fact. I had an Emaar appartment completed in in Phase II in the Marina. Our particular tower is 80% owned by Iranians and Iraqies. On my floor of 5 appartments, 2 of them were owned by a weathy man from Iraq. They had no furnishings apart from mattress's in the lounge and the bedrooms. Every thurs night they would arrive and leave every saturday night. There were usually around 8 of them and very nice people they were. However they made no secret of the reason for their visit and this was to drink alcohol and screw as many woman as they could. All this while their lovely arabic wives were at home tending their childrens and husbands needs ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I made this up - really ??? :roll: :roll: :roll: Tell you what.......... spend an evening at Dubai and Abu Dhabi airport on a Thursday night and count the Dish Dash's coming through the GCC Passport control.

muslimbangladeshi

arniegang wrote: I made this up - really ??? :roll: :roll: :roll: Tell you what.......... spend an evening at Dubai and Abu Dhabi airport on a Thursday night and count the Dish Dash's coming through the GCC Passport control. I had some respect for your argumentation style, until now. I could also say the whole world is equally rich. All the world's people have bucket load of gold bullions stored in hidden caches, it's just that Dubai, the Gulf, the Western world in general, Japan etc are more upfront about it. Don't believe me? Just go to every country in the world.

Humbleman

arniegang wrote: Humbleman wrote: [quote="kanelli" Kanelli, the first part of what you said is absolutely true, but the last part you are straight up wrong. If we take for example the main religion in most Western countries which is Christianity, it is forbids promiscuities in all their forms. However, Wife, husbands are doing it without the knowledge of their wives or husbands – believe me I knew it. One of the major breaks up in marriages in the West is because husbands/wifes/grilfirends often caught cheating. So you are right, promiscuity is an inseparable part of all human kinds, guess we are no different from our closest species the monkey after all. Peace/love Nonsence Humbleman Promiscuity and cheating exists where ever there are humans be it Western or Middle East. It happens in Dubai too, i know this may come as a shock. However i accept that incidence of being caught out is higher in western societies because we allow our wives/girl friends/partners more freedom. When i see Arabic woman "out on the town on a girlie night out" i may have to revise my opinion. I will tell you a fact. I had an Emaar appartment completed in in Phase II in the Marina. Our particular tower is 80% owned by Iranians and Iraqies. On my floor of 5 appartments, 2 of them were owned by a weathy man from Iraq. They had no furnishings apart from mattress's in the lounge and the bedrooms. Every thurs night they would arrive and leave every saturday night. There were usually around 8 of them and very nice people they were. However they made no secret of the reason for their visit and this was to drink alcohol and screw as many woman as they could. All this while their lovely arabic wives were at home tending their childrens and husbands needs ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. The moral is "it happens", whether we are Christian, Mulim, Jewish or whatever. Dont tar this a "western thing", it isn't, its a Muslim things as well. The difference being it is widely and openly reported is the west. In the Arabic world it is "unspoken and unreported". Arniegang, I couldn’t agree with you more I remember when I was living in a Gulf country, me and mates used to go out chasing beautiful girls. However the way we used to introduce ourselves to the girls was quiet different from what me and mates do right now in a Western country. For example in that Gulf country, body-language was the main ritual of hooking up with girl, we would ogle at a girl and if she is interested she would give us a signal to approach her with our number. And, once we give our number we ran away in the fear that our asses might get kicked by her brothers/mums/fathers – girls also liked that way. The reason why we used do it that way was because of cultural limitations. It is the ultimate insult to a family if their son or daughter found out to be having a sexual relationship before an actual marriage. But because we are humans and humans are sexual beings, we therefore developed a sneaky way which helped us to enjoy ourselves, and at the same time kept us within our culture’s boundary. Having said that, this sort of discreet boy and girl relationship mainly confine to the Gulf countries, this because the original populations in these countries are tribes orientated. So, honours, respect, starting a proper family etc are the ultimate values and must be abide by all families member at all cost. But in other Arab countries, it’s quite different, for example, in some part of Iraq, Syria, Egypt and so on, it would be no problem if a guy ask a girl out openly for a date. Right now I live in a Western country, and the way guys chase girls is quite different, for example if a guy interested in a girl, he’d just walks up toward her and say hello and start a conversation, regardless whether her father/mum/brother with her or not. This way is less of a hassle to get I girl, heheheh. I what really found interesting is that, despite all the cultural differences from both sides, girls’ want, need, desire and what they are looking for in a guy are amazingly similar. On the other hand, we guys seem just wanting the same – how fast can we take that pants off hehhe, true. I admittedly, girls are less promiscuous whether in the East or in the West, we men seem to screw up first. I guess because we are hardwired to be more visual, so it’s hard to resist when we see something visually appealing. So yes, promiscuity is an inseparable part of the human beings, people do it differently just because of cultural differences. Peace/Love

Humbleman

However, it’s fair to add that, Islam strictly demands its followers to abstain from any sexual relationship prior to marriage. Peace/Love

muslimbangladeshi

Humbleman brother, you must have been one of the more Western oriented persons in your society. Only the more Western influenced persons are involved in such immoral activities in Muslim countries, that's why it's advisable we remove the immoral aspects of Western societies for good of humanity. Quote: But in other Arab countries, it’s quite different, for example, in some part of Iraq, Syria, Egypt and so on, it would be no problem if a guy ask a girl out openly for a date. I guess that's because of the Christian minorities there.

kanelli

Hey guys, I am used to hearing this same old crap from some Muslims. Islam is a better religion, and Muslims are more moral people. It is fine, because there are plenty of other people who feel superior for many other reasons, like skin colour, background, education etc. Everyone can choose to carry their own biases around or do what they can to get rid of them. Some people feel secure with their biases and deeply feel the need to be superior over others.

kanelli

And I'd like to add that I think muslimbangladeshi has a very dangerous point of view. To say that "we must remove the immoral aspects of Western societies for the good of humanity" is just scary. How exactly do you plan to do that? Are you a religious extremist? What actions do you plan to take against Westerners and their immorality? Has God made you an expert to decide who and what deserves to be removed? Do you have some kind of divine authority?

arniegang

Come back Liban all is forgiven :lol: :lol:

Humbleman

kanelli wrote: Hey guys, I am used to hearing this same old crap from some Muslims. Islam is a better religion, and Muslims are more moral people. It is fine, because there are plenty of other people who feel superior for many other reasons, like skin colour, background, education etc. Everyone can choose to carry their own biases around or do what they can to get rid of them. Some people feel secure with their biases and deeply feel the need to be superior over others. Dear Kanelli, you don’t get it Look, Islam is a religion which has its own principle that requires it’s follower to abide by certain rules, just like Christianity etc. Most Muslim people see it as part of their identity and heritage, rather than superiority. Religions never have managed to stop humans from doing what humans are hardwired to do, in other words, humans are always will have that caveman innate regardless of their religions, race, colour, class, education level etc. And will be that way as long as humans race concern. I have conversation with a Christian priest the other day about why he would thinks that Christian Catholic is the correct one not the Orthodox or other religions. He said, “Our religion is the right one and I can prove to you”, I excused myself because I don’t have that much apatite for religions. This proves my earlier point that, religions’ superiorities are in the eyes of the beholders. I never would assume that I am superior or inferior to anyone. However, when it comes to expertise, I do recognize that some people are superior to me at certain skills and at the same time inferior to me at certain skills. For example, a Software designer is superior that a Marketer when it comes to fixing a computer and that Software designer would be inferior when it is the other way around. So just be comfortable with yourself and don’t think too much of it. Try to learn the tradition behind other peoples’ belief