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Shocking racism in Dubai?


turbo_tamago OK I have just rocked into Dubai (around 6 weeks) and have had a great experience so far. I came with an international company and luckily for me that took care of the flat and utilities etc so I admit my integration into Dubai has been pretty stress free and I am hitting the ground running and am singing the virtues of Dubai to my colleagues back home. Notwithstanding my recent experience, I do hear of occasional moans about a "pecking order" from certain people, notably the security guard at my building, the odd taxi driver and from others who have lived here a lot longer. I must admit I have not seen or been subject to any real issues, I am of Chinese origin but was born and raised up in the UK. Today I witnessed a pretty shocking event which I hope was an aberration rather than a way of life here. Picture this: at around 8am we are all queuing up at the lift lobby of our office (I work at one of the tall offices at the top of Sheikh Zayed Road), morning rush hour to get to our respective floors. It still amazes me that people will queue for minutes to take the life to the first of second floor rather than take the stairs but hey, this must be a way of life here so I live with it. Today was no exception. The lift arrives and we all get in. Full lift. The lift closes and stops at the first floor (I am on the 26th). 2 people are waiting to get in the lift. A middle eastern man (not sure where) and a mature Indian office worker. Indian worker comes in and we all shuffle to make space. There is still space for the other ME man if he wanted to squeeze in, that wouldn't bother me as I have seen it many times. Instead, the ME man holds the arm of the Indian man and pulls him out of the lift, saying that he is on the wrong floor and he needs to go to the second floor. He slides into the Indian mans space in the lift and the door closes. As the door was closing the Indian man, clearly incredulous as to the event that just happened remarked that it was not a very "professional" thing to do to which the ME man said "yes, I am not professional, so what". I thought they knew each other and they were having some fun, only when the ME man left on the second floor did the reality of what happened dawn on me. I was also ashamed I didn't intervene or pass judgement. The Indian man clearly was an office worker and quite mature. I hear these kinds of stories but I have never been a witness to such events. The blatant lack of manners displayed by some is truly appalling behaviour. Is this something that is acceptable in Dubai? Those in the service industry and others are all there to make our lives easier. Everyone deserves to be treated with a basic degree of courtesy? What brings it out in people to believe that they are superior when compared to others? Is it historical or is it the economy which drives people to behave this way?
Concord Racism is very overt in Dubai. However I am not sure what you witnessed was necessary a case of "shocking racism". The guy could just have been a very rude person who grabed whoever was there in order to make room for himself. Good thing you were in the back. Jeevan welcome to Dubai, and about your post -you will get used to what happens, and i would say its upto the person who went through the experience to raise his voice first before others pass a comment or a judgement. If you stand up for yourself, no one can treat you as a piece of crap, I am an Indian and i never had such a experience in Dubai. Relax and get used to Dubai:) Concord
Yeah but that's because you are a big guy and they know you can beat the crap out of them!
They are racist: not stupid. Dr.D Give the guy a break, maybe firefingers was just having a bad day. St.Lucifer But unfortunately, the truth says, in here, one (a non local, non arabic speaker) would think more than twice, n look around n try to analyse who this bad a$$ could be.. even if he'dnt have thought even for a split second before launching a punch, had it been their home ground.. but that aint racism.. thats existential criteria... for the bad guy its simple. home ground advantage.. firefingers Ok you see guys again you are relating racism to my beloved country ,like it doesn't happen elsewhere forcing me to start using adult language in my posts  dam it I'm tiered. Well as he said if you don't stand up for your self even the wife will bitch slap you all the time, it doesn't matter where or how, stop crying and star fighting . And no Dr.d it can't be me, I'll never be near you guys , you guys really smell, I don't know what is with foreigners hating to shower . gtmash Want examples of racism? Dig up any of firefingers' old posts. Heck even the one above is an example. Although keep in mind that he does not represent educated locals. firefingers
oh sweet heart there is no need to dig, I never said I liked you guys and I'll always hate you , you guys are good for nothing , and you are our slaves , the sooner you will realize that the sooner everyone will be happy, I admit it , I am .and you can't do nothing about it but watch us slave you .
now all I'm saying is that start acting like men for ones in your life, and stop hiding behind your nick names, stop being such a little girls ( oh mommy this happened to me oh mommy the boy touch my mini skirt ) you loving lady stand up for your selves.
This is my education gtmash. bushra21 you are the reason people hate us so much... :roll:

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sorry but don't think I' ll just stand doing nothing while those ladies talks tasty about us in this love up forum.
they are nothing but puppy's crying people who got issues in their lives and takes it out on our system, government or us..
you know it dear, non of what they are saying reflect us, culture or religion. solo things happen in their daily boring lives and they start crying here like moms boys. they got tasty jobs or life it is not our problem, suck it up people handle you tasty.
and what I hate the most when most of them acts moderated and the truth is they them selves ran a way from their won love up countries looking for a better life that they found here, but nothing is ever good enough for them.
I tried being polite with them and rational but they won't understand so I have to behave they way they understand and they way they behave in their won countries.

so.. until I get kicked out of this forum I'll keep doing whatever I'm doing people >> see yaa bushra21 all right. but what good has that done? the only thing that has happened is that they have absolutely no respect towards you, and you come off as an uneducated, 'typical local'... you are basically proving their point. if you feel they are being ignorant then why act that way yourself? firefingers
honey I don't need those low life group of people approval or respect, they acuse us racism and if you look carefully throw the forum they always categorize all bad behaviors under locals, hell with them, that’s racism it self.
They'll never tell the story like it is, they always generalize.
I don't know what's wrong with them, I have more foreigner friends than they can count and starting from my childhood ,schools and work never I heard this pull shi* but here.
Someone Behavior does not necessarily shows or tells his nationality. Stop linking those 2 things idiots.. ^ian^ Slaves eh? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH. Who is more dependent on who? Consider this in the equation. We can always leave. fayz
Out of curiosity, what was the cultural breakdown of the other people in the elevator? You mention a full elevator but not one person said anything? That in itself is sad.
At the airport I had an issue where somebody tried to push infront of me in line, I pushed back. Concord Actually I think the post itself is racist. Maybe the person was simply a nasty person. So that the post could be "I saw this nasty person in the elevator today who did....". The assumption is that the person did it because of race but not necessarily. So making that asssumption would be racist itself. There is lots of racism in Dubai to be sure. St.Lucifer
:) If u really dont want the approval or respect of those low life groups, Y do you bother to post. Y do u take all the effort n go overboard to prove your point... Its just that you dont know how to put things in perspective or to use your words effectively to express yourself.
Racism,Slavery exists everywhere at psycho, socio economical levels than physical.
It's something that we can fight and fend off.. but slavery, the way u've understood it, is called cooperation.
World peace everyone.. :) fayz
You know you've been in Dubai too long when you start quoting people by their race and job title, My Indian Coffee boy, My German doctor, etc. Sadly for most this happens in less than a week after arriving. Where else do you see this?? or have I been that sheltered? I remember going to my doctor back in Canada and never recall mentioning to anyone that he was Irish or my dentist and not saying my Chinese dentist, I’ve been in Dubai too long. jabbajabba
I totally relate to this - it's quite sad.
Its also quite a contrast coming from the UK, where its gone to the other end - you could be the best man for the job, but equal opportunities schemes will mean it goes to someone else.
fayz Being a visible minority I can relate to what you say, with a passion I hate equal opportunity rules, because even if you tend to be the most qualified people will assume it is because of your tan, Rules like this breed racisim. It is sad and I’m not smart enough to suggest a workable solution. But yes I think most just want an equal footing with others to compete for the same opportunity, I don’t want to be favoured or behind the eight ball. It's just easier said then done to implement. Concord
The solution is more exposure and inter-marriage. When everyone is "gray" then the world will be a better place.
Ironically I think if you are black or very dark skinned (but not indian/pakistani/srilankan/bangladeshi) you will suffer less racism that if you were in say the USA/Canada, UK, Australia. More ironically the reason you would not experience "racism" is racism itself - that is, some people will give you preferntial treatment because you might be "local" or simply "arab" (all based on your race!). gtmash
Theoreticaly everyone would be brown. I haven't seen a gray person yet, except in vampire movies. Dr.D
Dead people are gray. KeithL
Well done Fayz :lol: gtmash
I thought you told me some guy at the airport pushed you back when you tried to cut in front for a toilet emergency. Was it Fez? dale An entire community should not be branded as racists because of a few people. The person obviously reflected his own cultural background, attitude and personality. I know some Locals and who are very cultured and sophisticated. Arabs have a wonderful history of culture and tradion but sadly some of the newer generations are not able to keep up to it. Chocoholic We are all citizens of the world - nothing more, nothing less. fayz
no? maybe you've mistaken me for some guy from the 70's show ;) fayz
well said. firefingers
thank you and I rest my case benwj
I suspect that the elevator case is no different. The office worker thought that it was OK to get into the lift in front of the other guy, who had been waiting (got off at the wrong floor), and was promptly dragged out. St.Lucifer ^ a different angle? a retake...:) r u tom tykwer.. run lola run fame.? :) fayz
True and good point, but the person doing the pushing said you're on the wrong floor, if he said wait your turn or something than that's one thing. Plus the OP said that there was enough room for 2 so these two things led me to make the conclusion I did. Possibly wrong though. fayz
Re-reading it could have meant that the other guy (ME) was saying he was on the wrong floor, or he was telling the other guy that ‘he’ was on the wrong floor. But if the response was saying that wasn’t professional I’m not sure that he (Indian guy) was budding.
In my case for reference it was a person who looked of Indian/South Asian persuasion so I know there are rude from all cultures, and many here don't understand the concept of lines. I’m just not sure in the example given at the beginning of the post was the Indian guy being rude and cutting but rather the other guy. Concord
Now if the other guy was a dishdasher I would be impressed. Specially being pushed by someone with your hairdoo ^^^^^^^^^ fayz hahaha, I have no qualms about pushing back whomever they are but I've actually never had a really bad experience with a local. Only once a Leb tried to steal my parking spot at MOE and the experience above and both times I made my feelings known, I'm pretty sure the day I get deported it'll be for giving the wrong person the finger though, but meh i've had a good stint here, <-- actually edit, there was bad experience with a local lady who cut me off but I held my anger, because she was a she though, not because of her nationality. Concord
Me, I've done the finger thing a few times (without consequences). It's on auto-pilot/instinct. Now I just "wave"!
p.s. I hope I don't loose the instinct or I'll get the crap beat out of me when I get back! BabyDoll Consider the following scenario. Could it be that: 1) The indian guy did not know the direction. Spoke to the arab man before the lift came re where he needed to go. 2) Knowing where the indian dude needed to go, the arab man tried to help (in this case pulled his arm) 3) Indian dude thought Arab man is gay since he touched him, so he retorted " this is not professional" 4) "I am not professional so what" - maybe arab man's English wasnt that good. I have come across arabs who said certain things which sounded rude and offensive but they dont mean it. As english is not their first language Personally I have been discrimated in this country but its none other than the british themselves and women !! Boo hoo.. Caricatures@orangejar.com
it's great that you had a sweet and smooth integration into life here. good for you!
read somewhere in the replies that it could just be a case of rudeness, i agree. what you saw was not shocking racism, it's just a case of bad manners or well, no manners at all. but that's not saying that there's no racism or discrimination here, cos its everywhere.
if you want to see racism, check the classifieds. that's a good start. arjun7ue There is nothing shocking in it. This is a reality here. The other day I was waiting for a taxi for 20 min. when one finally comes, this lebanese guy rushes in fropm somewhere behind. protesting that I was first - he rudely says "so what, what will you do, get lost!" All the middles easterns - lebanese, egyptians, palestinians are the worst of the lot. Disgusting attitude. Treat other people like crap. Most dirtiest attitude people I've seen in the world. The worst manners - whether it is on the road or in offices or public spaces. Doing business with them is pathetic. Locals are relatively better nikka Guys this is nothing new. A lot of arabs are rude and carry a vhip on their shoulders. I have experienced it many times. I was in S Arabia once. I was waiting for the lift behind a handful of ladies. The lift came and I waited for the ladies to get in first. As they got in, this arab guy came into the lobby and rushed towards the lift. I saw this and put my hand against the side of the lift to stop him barging in when he got there (I was still waiting for the ladies to finish getting in). He got there and pushedmy hand and got into the lift. I got into the lift and he started shouting at me in language. I could reply but pointed to the ladies trying to explain that the ladies need to board first. He carried on shouting, so I got of the lift and let them go; I caught another one. I could have floored this guy and given him some lessons in manners but when you are in their country the police is always on their side. Best way is always stay well out of way of the arabs. After 15 ceturies of Islam, good manners have not quite got to their culture and society. I am sorry if I offended anyone but this is the harsh reality. Mr & Mrs Inquirer Race row Tintin is best-seller By Bonnie Malkin 14/07/2007 Image hotlink - '' Sales of a Tintin comic book have rocketed by 3,800 per cent after Britain's equality watchdog claimed that it depicted "hideous racial prejudice". The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) condemned Tintin In The Congo for making black people "look like monkeys and talk like imbeciles" and called for it to be taken off the shelves. But its intervention seems only to have increased the popularity of the controversial book about the boy reporter, as by last night it had reached number eight on Amazon's most popular books list. The internet retailer said Tintin In The Congo had "jumped" into the top 10 since the CRE's comments, which followed a complaint by a member of the public. A spokesman for the CRE accepted that its comments may have fuelled the rise in sales but said: "It is a delicate balance but because we had a complaint from a member of the public we felt we had no choice." Bleakus
shows that you are mature about this lol St.Lucifer :):) :) ^^ one thing for sure.. I'd seen this man at work.. :) without realizing its him :D during a blunt working day peak hr..He definitely didnt seem a nano fil racist :).. :D Bleakus I thank you sir dave101 getting back to the point of the post, there is certainly a layered class system here, tho being somewhere near the top is ok for me (english), id hate to be an indian in Dubai! whats this finget thing you are not allowed to gesture, is it just the single finger, so two fingers is ok, and also the glorious w nker, is that ok? i have found myself to be increasingly racist in Dubai, my blood boils when i see idiot muslims on the road, jumping queues, etc. im pretty sure im going to launch someone soon (i come from newcastle, its in my blood), i wonder what the repurcussions would be...? gtmash
You're the first guy to admit to the class system here. uaebadoo This could happen anywhere in the world, just take it easy and welcome to dubai bushra21
yeah saying that isn't going to go over too well...especially if you are a local...they will jump all over you for that. because apparently it doesnt matter, the only thing that does matter is that 'locals' are racist :roll: uaebadoo :D uaebadoo bushra21 you, firfingers, symmetric, i pray to god you aren't really locals because you just make us looks bad and enforce those stereotypes :roll: uaebadoo
Ofcourse I am proudly pure local from Alain, you said they think we are racist so what u want me to say about those people, I was educated in the US, England, France, and I have visited many many countries of the world and I know what is racisim means, so let them say what they want, but I am sure there are many many non-nationals who dont think that way about us bushra21
yes but it doesnt mean we have to enforce their stereotypes....
and many locals have lived and studied outside of the uae and know what racisim is as well...but to completely dismiss it in our own country is wrong and just plain stupid. uaebadoo
I did not mean to enforce any stereotypes but I meant that racisim is much worst in other countries of the world compared to the UAE arniegang that is not always the case gtmash
I wouldn't say it is racism as much as it is a class system around here.
Anyway, I have this big Indian friend who was once referred to as a "bloody Indian" by a British family as they fought over a parking space at a mall. Now that was a case of a blatant racist remark.
Seems he is the target of aggressive behaviour (from all nationalities) a lot just for looking especially Indian, although he puts these people back in their place due to his size and tough attitude.
Local cops occassionally speak to Brits and Indians differently, but that's because it is automatically assumed that the Indians might be a middle-class nobody. But they are fair I'd say. xibit
since u r a PURE local i guess ur dad is from iran and mom from the philipines ? uaebadoo
And u r guessing who is ur dad,Hint: I might be one of them Rosbif71 this coutry is institutionally racist. I doesnt matte how long you live here or what you do for the country you will never get citizenship! bushra21
That isn't completely true. I know of some who are not even arabs that carry a UAE passport.
Also, I see no problem with the govt not handing out UAE passports to any bloke that decides to move here...we aren't the U.S.... :roll: gtmash
Bush, it's not that easy getting a UAE passport. That said, there are Iranians, Omanis and a few Indians who did become UAE passport holders, but they have had family in the country since before independence, in the days when it was possible to mingle with Sheikh Rashid and company on the streets.
In the US, it is a more straightforward affair, without uncertainties such as how much wastaa you have. Of course, they reject you if your name matches some terror suspect (which is retarded), but they have specific rules that one can follow. bushra21
I know...that's what I said, except you put in a -- umm, more in depth manner. arniegang
Well i can say as a true Brit, what and how the UAE is an example of what the so called western countries had many years ago.
The difference is that the UAE wont change because thats how it is, like it or fcuk off and then theres us - the Brits
We pay 40% tax to subsidise everyone and anyone that gets on a plane train or boat to the UK, so that our government can give them housing, benefits and enough money that the majority take without giving fcuk all back.
Racist moi ? - if you say so :roll:
Having immigrants into your own country then let them take the piss - yep thats the British.
UAE - racist no, they are just protecting their interests and why shouldn't they, its their country and like i said in the begining, if you dont like it, then go elsewhere.
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So The Major Chocoholic Agree with you Arnie. I nearly fell over when recently the UK government were talking about getting UK citizens overseas to pay tax! My butt, they gotta find me first, I'm not paying a penny to that country, so someone else can sponge off my hard earned cash. I' happily pay tax to the UAE, where I'm resident, but why the heck should I pay taxes to a country I'm not resident in, nor have any intention of goig back to. arniegang you are probably referring to the Revenue getting tax from all those who are UK residents but have offshore accounts and not declaring their untaxed interest Chocs. Currently if you are absent for more that 186 days a year you are safe and not subject to UK tax. scarlet my cats racist. Every time a workman enters the house to deliver furniture or for maintenance he hides under the couch cover. What to do about this. What does it say? Sydneysider one thing i have found is that most south asians i have encountered here seem to me incredibly respectful of others in a way that may seem almost deferrent (tho i don't perceive it that way). perhaps this cultural emphasis on respect is mistaken as a sign of weakness/inferiority? i have found arab people i have encountered as extremely hospitable and humble. 'locals' i have had the pleasure to meet=lovely. saudis whom i were told are 'arrogant'=lovely & proud of their culture. i risk stereotyping two groups of people (i'm an anglo-american) and i apologise, but if i have done so, it is only in an honestly positive way because this is how i have perceived my own personal treatment/reception. i'm not naive and have been around (and lived a few places) a while BUT there are jerks in every group/race/class. dubai-- no exception. yes, there is a class system here-- like everywhere else. but dubai is pretty OK imho. let a thousand flowers bloom... gtmash
You just said you are anglo-american. That automatically gets you respect here, no matter where the other person is from. jabbajabba
That is true - philpinos are some of the nicest and friendly people I have met in Dubai.
I wish they would all come to the UK instead ;) SCY ^Filipino workers are no longer welcome to work in UK due to EU. I think UK should focus on the real illegal immigrants, and not the group of workers, who went there legally to work. Humbleman Very interesting thread I am original from the Gulf myself. I decided to immigrate to a Western country sometime ago just to see what’s the life looks like in the another part of the world. Message going to be a bit long, but it will be educational once you’ve read it, because what am about to tell you is based on my true experience. As grew up I unconsciously inherited an attitude/belief which was prevalent amongst local people at that time, that, Indians and other workers (unskilled workers) who come from undeveloped countries were ought to be less intelligent, sophisticated, and educated. Yes it’s true, sadly and regrettably I did at some stages look down at those people. It wasn’t as I hated or wanted to harm them, I just thought at that time it was a normal way to do so. It was a paradox, because Islam is strictly emphasized in equality between all people, regardless of their gender, race, colour, wealth etc - all people must be treated fairly and respectfully. Looking at it now, I fully understand why I did behave in such a manner toward that people. I put down to few reasons: The first reason was that, I wasn’t aware that my manner was condescending and hurtful to those people, and I squarely blame on the fact that at school there was no education on human right or knowledge on what constitute prejudice or racism. The funny thing was that, my school itself had students from all colours, you name it, white, black, brown, olive skin etc, however because we were local we therefore saw no one better than another, we were just like one. Second reason which probably still exist to this date is that, local people would more likely to look for a skill worker from a Western country because their countries can vouch for them. For example, most Western countries have the best designed road, bridges, work ethic ext, you might argue that this isn’t always the case, well am afraid that’s the reception, and let’s be fair to say these folks have good education systems, good governments and good law, so lets give them credit for that. So that’s why they would be given critical and important jobs. Compare that with the perception that local people have about India or Africa countries, in which it would be that, corruptions is a norm and a way of life in India or Africa countries. The reason that they would think so is not because they hate or dislike Indian or African people, but because when they look at these countries see them in a bad shape, whether economically or in the way that their citizens lives. Their confidence of choosing a skill worker from their would be more likely to be less enthusiastic, unlike of they would choose a worker from a Western country. I cannot emphasize enough on how important education is to eliminate or at least reduce prejudices and racism. I never understood how condescending and prejudice I was till I started my degree, and then I realized that I was prejudice in some of my behaviours especially toward non-local people without me knowing that it was wrong. I remember my dad was very gracious toward a driver who used to take us to school, he cares about him so much, and he even would reprimand me and my brother if we would say something that would upset him. I remember he even wouldn’t trust me or my brother to do a weekly fruit shopping, he only would trust that guy. The moral of this story is that, people whether in the UAE or other gulf countries are not racist. Some people in there might do something out of ignorance, believe me. But then again, isn’t it that prejudice is an inseparable part of human species. Don’t you think we somehow practice prejudice on daily basis whether by making a quick impression about someone or even by thinking that our country or culture is the best. Think about it. I live in a Western country, and I see prejudice everywhere, usually by those who are ignorant and less educated. Personally, I see all humans are the same, I do realize though that people are different in term of skills, educations, cultures, and there is nothing wrong if someone gets a high salary because he/she highly qualifies for it, but what I do think is wrong is that when someone gets judged just because of his/her culture or colour. We all human beings and therefore we ought be respected and treated fairly. In term of citizenship, you have to understand that Western countries need more population, and they are very selective of whom they granted a citizenship – and that’s their prerogative. In other countries like China or in Israel where have to be a Jewish in order to be a citizen. So why the blame, it is the UAE’s prerogative to grant a citizenship to a person if it sees that person qualifies or would be a benefit its future. Final message, please don’t put up with racism or prejudice even if it comes from your won brother or sister. Peace/love project3030 I like DXB...........but i'll be pissed if the Arabs deny my entry into the clubs! Chocoholic It won't be the Arabs that deny you entry to the clubs, as many of them have problems to. No no it'll be your fellow countrymen! Many of the old, expat bars and clubs, run on a members only rule, if you're not a member, then you have to pay or you may be denied entry. Simple as. project3030 When I mean club, im not referring to Trilogy, etc. I'm referring to clubs such as York, Rattlesnake, Rock bottom Places where I will find women whom I can take back to the hotel for money. That's my question muslimbangladeshi Is racism an accepted issue in Dubai? I' ve never been to Dubai, so would be eager to know more.
What is the "pecking order" that some people have talked about? Which "race" is the topmost and which are placed lower?
Why does Dubai even employ so many Indians? I am disgusted by this myself. Why doesn't Dubai look into filling all the positions with more employees from its "brotherly countries"?
There are forums where I hear these ***** Indians talk ill of Arabs and Islam in general. Why do you allow these ingrates to remain in Dubai? Kick them in the gut, where it hurts. Once they go back to their own poverty struck homeland, they'll miss the "racism" of Dubai because of the grinding poverty that is a reality in their daily lives.
Nothing against ordinary Indians. Just had to get some facts straight.
Moreover Dubai didn't invade to kill millions of innocent people like USA, UK and the Western world has done, in this era. Racism, violence, religion discrimination, etc are part and parcel of every Western and Oriental (Chinese Japanese Korean Singapore Hong Kong Thailand ) society. reviewer
Geeez...is it you (bangladeshi) against everyone....whats next...you'll call for jihad I suppose........
It is you who needs to straighten up their facts in the first place...... :roll: 8) muslimbangladeshi
Are you an Indian or Westerner?
If that's the case, I suggest you lighten up, disconnect yourself from the internet, come back after a few days, think from a neutral p.o.v.
That'll straighten things up.
Who do you think I'm against? I don't get what makes your reply so illogical, but one explanation is your an Indian or Westerner, and seeing facts may have hurt your 'ego'.
I love dealing with facts. reviewer
8) I wonder where you got your facts, I suppose from fellow no-brainer-brainwashed dude like you.
I always research my facts and not just listen nor read from books of self anointed preacher....
To make you more ecstatic, Im not an Indian but do like SRK and samosas, good ole curry and pirni.... :lol: :roll: muslimbangladeshi Where are you from? If India supports "Israel", Indians are ingrates who rant against Arabs and hate "Islam" and "Muslims", why shouldn't Arabs kick Indians out of Arab countries?
ALL you did was write your opinions. No established facts.
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That's your opinion. It just sounds like that to you. We don't know who you are, what your background is, nor your reasons for thinking so. [color=red]2[/color]
Not withstanding that it seems to be an ill constructed sentence, it doesn't make sense at all. If you're talking about election in Bangladesh, what does violence have to do with it or racism for that matter in the Western/Oriental (Chinese Korean) world?
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Except for infantile attempts to malign me, and try to prove your credibility by stating some superficial items to identify with "Indian culture" you stated nothing here.
Again no points. You made no impression at all. Where did you even learn things from?
The point of the thread was Dubai, I asked a few questions on it, and you jumped up as if somebody put a few red chillies inside your undergarments, using a one-liner accusing me of causing hatred.
You had no facts to share, or no information to divulge on Dubai, racism in the Western world or the Oriental world (meaning Chinese Korean Taiwanese etc) Chocoholic Reviewer, forget it mate. He's a troll that just appears every now and again and rants and raves about nothing in particular, proving his narrow minded views. Let's face it, he comes from a place where his countrymen will burn effigies and rant and rave and riot against their cricket team because they lost - pffff Lost cause. muslimbangladeshi
The bold part actually shows what racism is like in Dubai.
And despite much rantings against local Emiratis, it seems it's a Westerner who acts racist over here. Hmm...
Moreover you also got your facts wrong. Bangladesh cricket team loses all too often for the mobs to set fire on effigies. You are talking of Pakistan and Indian cricket teams which faced this fate after 2007 World Cup in the Caribbean.
Also calling me a troll without specifying a reason doesn't look good on you.
Can you show some facts that prove me wrong? I'm waiting. Chocoholic Hey I love the locals man, I have lots of Emirati friends! The majority of you guys all look the same to me and I couldn't care less about you! End of. reviewer muslimbangladeshi Reviewer, I haven't seen/heard of/interacted with a bigger imbecile in last 3 years.
What has any of your one liner directed at trying to prove me wrong got to do with this thread topic? Can you read the title of this thread?
Moreover, lets forget all the nonsense you scribed retorting to my well constructed posts.

YOU first stated
Then YOU replied to YOUR OWN SELF thus

That was hilarious, only it shows the imbecility of your post much more clearly than the rest of it.
:lol:
Where are you from? muslimbangladeshi
You replied to YOURSELF Chocoholic Says the imbecile who double posts and replies to himself! What does it matter where he's from? Man, you have such a chip on your shoulder it's unbelievable. muslimbangladeshi Says the idiot who doesn't know double posts are made to due connectivity problems or forum software issues all the time, in other fora too. The very same idiot who hasn't made a single good point yet apart from delving into facile comparisons to denigrate others. muslimbangladeshi
You couldn't care less yet you never cease replying here.
Gee either you have a chip on your shoulder or being facetious. Maybe a bit of both? Chocoholic Whatever, you always rock up here, with the big CHIP on your shoulder western bashing and blah blah blah, never saying anything decent. muslimbangladeshi Do you have anything to contribute to this thread other than blaming intelligent posters? Chocoholic Pffff you're not exactly intelligent posting are you? ranting and raving about the same old same old. The pecking order of the UAE: Arabs white westerners everyone else muslimbangladeshi Can you point to what exactly I am supposedly raving about? Is the pecking order based on nationality, religion, language or what exactly? Arabs are not a race nor a nationality. Chocoholic :roll: Dubai Knight
Pedantic comment.
Arabs=Those with ancestry from 'Arabia'...the Arabian Peninsula that starts at the Red Sea in Jordan and goes all the way to Oman and Yemen and includes Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE.
Egyptians are African.
Jordan/Lebanon/Syria/Palestine and (yes I dare say it Israel) are Levantine and Eastern Mediterranean
Iranians are Persian
'Western' means hailing from any country that is European, North American or, stragely enough, Australian. It generally refers to complexion colour and is possibly a reference to education levels rather than religious leanings.
As your name suggests, you are Bangladeshi, which used to be called Eastern Pakistan and before that 'India'...which means you are from Asia. Therefore in the 'Arabs' eyes, lower on the pecking order than people from Yemen.
The 'Arabs' seem to forget from time to time that they only constitute less than10% of the entire Muslim world, however you will still be discriminated against because you are not 'Arab' Muslim.
Sorry. Thats the way of this world.
Its not perfect, but then what is?
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Knight muslimbangladeshi It'd be extremely sad if indeed what you said is correct. However I doubt your comments are totally accurate. For one, Pakistan is highly favoured by the Khaleej countries for investments, military ties and that's solely due to the brotherly links. What I fail to understand, if it is true at all, is why the Khaleejis would favour non Muslims from Western world over Muslims, wherever they may be from. The rest of your post seemed quite a gross generalization and a bit pedantic to be fair, as most of it is already known to me. Except for the exact attitude of local Emiratis towards foreigners. I haven't yet found out with any definite proof that Emiratis are indeed racist to the extent you say even to their fellow Muslims. I have heard that if you are a well educated, let's say Bangladeshi, holding high paying and socially well regarded jobs, you are going to be treated better. It's just that most Bangladeshis, Indians, Pakistanis, Filipinos etc tend to be not very highly educated, which skews the perception of Arab behaviour towards the "Asians". Maybe it's the less educated and less well off only who are ill conceived of. Chocoholic Sad to say, but even though you might be muslim, in the eyes of Emiratis, your people are nothing more than cheap slave labour to them. muslimbangladeshi Are you an Emirati? How can you speak for the ordinary Emirati? Most Bangladeshis working in Emirates ARE unskilled labourers. Question is , do Emiratis favour their fellow Muslims from anywhere from Morocco to Indonesia, Russia to South Africa, over a nonmuslim westerner? Or a nonmuslim Oriental (Chinese Japanese etc)? Is Turkey considered western/European? How are Turks treated? What if the education level of the foreign Muslim is greater than the Western nonmuslim in question? I would like to see some definitive evidence, like surveys conducted, actual events that made it to newspapers, or Emiratis themselves giving a glimpse of the Emirati mindset (there is no single Emirati mindset, but gauging from the replies MAY help in judging if Chocoholic is just pulling our legs) reviewer
Does it matter where Im from......imbecile ...me..nah...but not as impotent as you are...... 8)
You're here clearly to rant about opinions you basically borrow from some horses mouth and make it your own. Grow up.....
My apologies, species like you dont grow as your stunted already.... reviewer
Agree with you chocs.....better prepare for the night out...... :D tomjerry0506 If there is some GCC/Arab/US/Europe or any white skinned people instead of the mentioned Indian man, the ME man will not be a rude like this..1000% sure! muslimbangladeshi
The imbecile is the one who tried to prove he is smart by replying to himself in pejorative tone. The imbecile is the one who tried to show off his knowledge of foreign cultures by including a few token items as beloved aspects of that culture. The imbecile is the one who calls others imbecile upon being asked about his nationality. The imbecile is the one who calls someone who he has not seen or met more impotent than himself. muslimbangladeshi Is there any Emirati or Arab person in this forum? Seems like its dominated by some good for nothing Westerners who are idiotic enough to bring along all the packages of their lewd lascivious and promiscuous culture with them to Dubai. And moreover blame Dubai and its culture, religion, language, customs, society or something related to it, in one way or another when they themselves are to be blamed for not adapting to the foreign environment. Flying Dutchman
I love you! muslimbangladeshi
Homosexuality is widespread in the West, I hope you abandon it. Flying Dutchman
You see and that is the difference! Me love, you hate and trying to make fun out of somebody! puppypup My gay friend said homosexuality is very widespread among Arabs but they'll die if found out. He's also met more Arab and Swedish transgender people than any other ethnic groups. Iran allows sex-change operations. Do Arab nations too? muslimbangladeshi puppyup, you may hang out with faggots. I don't nor do I have an interest in what they have to say. Dutchman, I did not mock you. Flying Dutchman
OK mb. Best wishes for 2009 and all the best!
I like discussing politics and religion and it does get emotional and heated at times, but there is also a time to calm down and maybe even laugh at yourself. You seem to be an articulate guy and I hope you spend some more time in here. Try to remember that the boogey man is not always to get you... kanelli
:lol: Yeah, I was a good for nothing living monogamously with my husband and child in Dubai, doing family things that everyone else of other nationalities, religions, etc do with their families. But, I know I'm scum because I think it is okay to date and have s.e.x before marriage, and I have hom.o.se.x.ual friends, and I don't cover myself from head to toe in loose black fabric. I'm sure that I had a terribly corrupting influence on Dubai while I was there. :lol: muslimbangladeshi
Same to you. muslimbangladeshi
Dont have much time now, will hopefully reply later Inshallah.
I hope you abandon homosexuality and/or lewd sexual and immoral behaviour if that's what you mentioned. kanelli Well, unlike you, I have read your posts carefully, and I hope you abandon posting on this forum. 8) arniegang
Homosexuality and beastiality is widespead in Dubai too. Its mainly the Muslims that also drink in the bars and pay buckets loads of cash for Russian prostitutes i may add.
Beastiality was mentioned for the UAE locals benefit, that was arrested after falling in love and poking his camel :lol:
Not too mention the 15 Abu Dhabi & Dubai locals that were arrested at a Gay Wedding.
:P Humbleman In reply “You will still be discriminated against because you are not 'Arab' Muslim.” Wow, slow down tiger. This is utterly untrue. You’ve forced me to say that, unlike in some Western countries where one is more likely to be judged on his/her colour rather than the education level. In the Arab world they are more likely to place more emphasis on one’s education, wealth, and image. In my opinion, this is still discrimination. However I’d be rather judged on my achievement rather on my colour. When I started looking for a job in a Western country at first I was shocked to found out that, who you know in a company is very important to secure you a job, not primarily your education level. This attitude is widely adopted by the majority of people. Once I mastered the game, I got the job that I wanted because I found someone who knows the CEO of the company. In reply “Western' means hailing from any country that is European, North American or, stragely enough, Australian. It generally refers to complexion colour and is possibly a reference to education levels rather than religious leanings” Hang on, aren’t you aware that Western countries have became countries of all colours – which means you don’t have to be pale whites to be from the West. In regard to education, well if you visit some Western countries, you’d be surprise to find so many well-educated migrants are doing menial jobs so they could support their families, because they haven’t been given the opportunities. By the way, Moroccan, Egyptian, Lebanese etc would identify themselves as Arabs (even though lots of them are Christians) – but what usually amuse me is that they don’t often get along. Islam is a religion identity just like any other religions. it has over a billion followers from all races, colours, classes and genders. It’s not the religions that make some people behave appallingly, most religions put emphasis on equality, compassion and forgiveness. It’s the humans ignorant, insecurity and narcissism are what make them behave in such manners. So I agree with you, the world isn’t perfect, whether in the East or the West. Hope that help Peace/Love muslimbangladeshi
Alhamdulillah, great post brother Humbleman.
Are you a local Emirati brother? I have great regards for Dubai (whether you are Emirati or not) and the United Arab Emirates, in my view it's one of the most amazing countries in the world. And probably the first candidate for being a developed country in the Muslim world.
Qatar and Kuwait can also be considered developed countries. It's a matter of convention if the governments decide to declare themselves developed or not.
I have nothing against Westerners, some of them are Muslims already and I hope more and more of them and all others from the world embrace Islam.
I dont hate Christians, so if somebody stays that way its still good. I just object to the lascivious, lewd, promiscuity brought along by many a Westerner to Dubai and elsewhere when they move. They should drop all that baggage off at home or not come at all. muslimbangladeshi
I dont have much interest in your homosexual and beastility perversion.
Making up stories about our Emirati brothers as you go won't affect my impression of our brothers. Chocoholic Making up stories? Oh right so the recent 3 or 4 cases about local kids gang raping other boys and being charged for it, reported in the papers is all lies is it? Righto! Dudde, you really, really have to take off those rose tinted glasses! Dubai would not survive without the western influence it is a TOURIST city! If you choose not to get involved with certain things and believe certain things then that my friend is YOUR choice! and you have no right whatsoever to have ago for other peoples lifestyle choices, s.e.xuality, religion or anything else! And no I hope people don't embrace religion! To me it is the cause of most of the problems in this world and we'd be better off without any of them! Oh and you keep asking for locals to reply to you? Hmmm well funny that not one has, considering there are losts of locals who are members of this forum, that surely should tell you something - 'brother'! And yeah I can speak for some, when sad to say I have quite a lot of local friends and they detest people like you! Mahmoud04 well, I enjoyed reading what you people are writing above although I learned nothing from it at all. The idea is quite simple the world is not perfect, and you can't talk in the name of a country or a religion or even a family (hell no, thats why we have IDs), every person is different from another, we might share some habits, believes, concepts or even personalities. Western, Middle East, Far East, Muslims, Terrorists, and other terms were redefined by politicians to serve there goals. So when they say west this means some countries (omg, is Australia in the west). when they say Terrorist (it means turn the lens on the middle east). I believe what these politicians done is the cause of all the discrimination in our world. GOD bless Adam and Eve, (does anybody know were they western or black) happy new YR, M kanelli Sorry guys, but lewd and promiscuous behaviour happens all over the world and people of every skin colour and religion are behaving this way. To blame the West is to wear blinkers. Westerners are simply not hypocrites about it, while some people in other cultures/religions are. That's the difference :) Humbleman [quote="kanelli" Kanelli, the first part of what you said is absolutely true, but the last part you are straight up wrong. If we take for example the main religion in most Western countries which is Christianity, it is forbids promiscuities in all their forms. However, Wife, husbands are doing it without the knowledge of their wives or husbands – believe me I knew it. One of the major breaks up in marriages in the West is because husbands/wifes/grilfirends often caught cheating. So you are right, promiscuity is an inseparable part of all human kinds, guess we are no different from our closest species the monkey after all. Peace/love arniegang
Its not a case of my interest. The local/camel and 15 arrests at a gay wedding in Abu Dhabi were well reported in both the Gulf News and Khaleej Times, or did both these papers "make it up"?
If you want to see or know where locals and other Arabs are drinking and picking up protitutes, pm either myself, Chocs or DK and we can give you a list of hotels and bars where this happens. (its a fairly long list though) arniegang
Nonsence Humbleman
Promiscuity and cheating exists where ever there are humans be it Western or Middle East.
It happens in Dubai too, i know this may come as a shock. However i accept that incidence of being caught out is higher in western societies because we allow our wives/girl friends/partners more freedom. When i see Arabic woman "out on the town on a girlie night out" i may have to revise my opinion.
I will tell you a fact. I had an Emaar appartment completed in in Phase II in the Marina. Our particular tower is 80% owned by Iranians and Iraqies. On my floor of 5 appartments, 2 of them were owned by a weathy man from Iraq. They had no furnishings apart from mattress's in the lounge and the bedrooms.
Every thurs night they would arrive and leave every saturday night. There were usually around 8 of them and very nice people they were. However they made no secret of the reason for their visit and this was to drink alcohol and screw as many woman as they could.
All this while their lovely arabic wives were at home tending their childrens and husbands needs ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
The moral is "it happens", whether we are Christian, Mulim, Jewish or whatever. Dont tar this a "western thing", it isn't, its a Muslim things as well. The difference being it is widely and openly reported is the west. In the Arabic world it is "unspoken and unreported". muslimbangladeshi
I don't know if you are British but will you admit it is a fact that Brits were caught openly fornicating in a Dubai beach? Is it true only/mostly Westerners are found walking along in bikinis in beaches elsewhere/luxury cruisers/boats/wherever.
Is it true the biggest suppliers of and consumers of alcoholic products are the Western countries? Is it true only in Western world it is legally possible to consume drugs like marijuana, have paedophile parties lobbying for ban on age limit for intercourse, have insulting Islam and Muslims 'protected' under the illusory and venerable concept they invented - that of 'freedom of speech' which is not what it means lexically in the Western world, BUT ban the right to question the Holocaust let alone deny it, that Western countries are hotbeds for abortions, premarital intercourse, beastility (they call it bordeollos/sth similar in Nordic countries), drug addiction, broken families, prostitution and that westerners are most often caught 'interfering' with children in Thailand or the Orient?
This is just the 'tip of the iceberg'. Let's not say everybody does it. Let's not say it's indigenous to Dubai. Most importantly, let's not try to deny any facts about Westerners. muslimbangladeshi
Ridiculous. Trying to brush all the dirt under the carpet won't help.
In the same vein, any criminality, immorality, problem or deficiency can be explained by a 'carefree' attitude that you displayed by assigning this deficiency/problem to each and every segment of world population, just that the one under spotlight is more upfront about it.

For example, the whole world is equally rich. All the world's people have bucket load of gold bullions stored in hidden caches, it's just that Dubai, the Gulf, the Western world in general, Japan etc are more upfront about it.
Do you believe this?
Your 'story' is equally credible when no proof, no evidence backs your claims up. muslimbangladeshi
No.

A simple statement accepting the truth will be good enough. Along the lines of "Westerners are the primary exponents of promiscuous, lewd and immoral behaviour".

My advice to you - work on your fairy tale story, it needs some more improvement but you can perhaps author Dubai's own "Arabian Nights" or some other story collection. Key point is, it's still a story.
I've also met people who are convinced they have seen ghosts, spirits etc. And I've also heard your story.

Not familiar with "Mulim" community, but this parable was written by me a while ago. See if it is credible, if not maybe I can chip in with my own contribution to your Children's fairy tales collection/whatever else.

the whole world is equally rich. All the world's people have bucket load of gold bullions stored in hidden caches, it's just that Dubai, the Gulf, the Western world in general, Japan etc are more upfront about it. arniegang
One fact of interest is that Saudi Arabia is the largest sole importer of Scottish Malt Whiskey in the World.
Facts are so interesting dont you agree?? muslimbangladeshi
I have no idea about alcohol. Tell me how I can verify your claim. A preliminary search was useless.
Edit:
For 2005, none of the top 5 were Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia. arniegang
I made this up - really ???
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Tell you what.......... spend an evening at Dubai and Abu Dhabi airport on a Thursday night and count the Dish Dash's coming through the GCC Passport control. muslimbangladeshi
I had some respect for your argumentation style, until now. I could also say

the whole world is equally rich. All the world's people have bucket load of gold bullions stored in hidden caches, it's just that Dubai, the Gulf, the Western world in general, Japan etc are more upfront about it.
Don't believe me? Just go to every country in the world. Humbleman
Arniegang, I couldn’t agree with you more
I remember when I was living in a Gulf country, me and mates used to go out chasing beautiful girls. However the way we used to introduce ourselves to the girls was quiet different from what me and mates do right now in a Western country.
For example in that Gulf country, body-language was the main ritual of hooking up with girl, we would ogle at a girl and if she is interested she would give us a signal to approach her with our number. And, once we give our number we ran away in the fear that our asses might get kicked by her brothers/mums/fathers – girls also liked that way. The reason why we used do it that way was because of cultural limitations.
It is the ultimate insult to a family if their son or daughter found out to be having a sexual relationship before an actual marriage. But because we are humans and humans are sexual beings, we therefore developed a sneaky way which helped us to enjoy ourselves, and at the same time kept us within our culture’s boundary.
Having said that, this sort of discreet boy and girl relationship mainly confine to the Gulf countries, this because the original populations in these countries are tribes orientated. So, honours, respect, starting a proper family etc are the ultimate values and must be abide by all families member at all cost. But in other Arab countries, it’s quite different, for example, in some part of Iraq, Syria, Egypt and so on, it would be no problem if a guy ask a girl out openly for a date.

Right now I live in a Western country, and the way guys chase girls is quite different, for example if a guy interested in a girl, he’d just walks up toward her and say hello and start a conversation, regardless whether her father/mum/brother with her or not. This way is less of a hassle to get I girl, heheheh.
I what really found interesting is that, despite all the cultural differences from both sides, girls’ want, need, desire and what they are looking for in a guy are amazingly similar. On the other hand, we guys seem just wanting the same – how fast can we take that pants off hehhe, true.
I admittedly, girls are less promiscuous whether in the East or in the West, we men seem to screw up first. I guess because we are hardwired to be more visual, so it’s hard to resist when we see something visually appealing.
So yes, promiscuity is an inseparable part of the human beings, people do it differently just because of cultural differences.
Peace/Love Humbleman However, it’s fair to add that, Islam strictly demands its followers to abstain from any sexual relationship prior to marriage. Peace/Love muslimbangladeshi Humbleman brother, you must have been one of the more Western oriented persons in your society. Only the more Western influenced persons are involved in such immoral activities in Muslim countries, that's why it's advisable we remove the immoral aspects of Western societies for good of humanity.

I guess that's because of the Christian minorities there. kanelli Hey guys, I am used to hearing this same old crap from some Muslims. Islam is a better religion, and Muslims are more moral people. It is fine, because there are plenty of other people who feel superior for many other reasons, like skin colour, background, education etc. Everyone can choose to carry their own biases around or do what they can to get rid of them. Some people feel secure with their biases and deeply feel the need to be superior over others. kanelli And I'd like to add that I think muslimbangladeshi has a very dangerous point of view. To say that "we must remove the immoral aspects of Western societies for the good of humanity" is just scary. How exactly do you plan to do that? Are you a religious extremist? What actions do you plan to take against Westerners and their immorality? Has God made you an expert to decide who and what deserves to be removed? Do you have some kind of divine authority? arniegang Come back Liban all is forgiven :lol: :lol: Humbleman
Dear Kanelli, you don’t get it
Look, Islam is a religion which has its own principle that requires it’s follower to abide by certain rules, just like Christianity etc. Most Muslim people see it as part of their identity and heritage, rather than superiority. Religions never have managed to stop humans from doing what humans are hardwired to do, in other words, humans are always will have that caveman innate regardless of their religions, race, colour, class, education level etc. And will be that way as long as humans race concern.
I have conversation with a Christian priest the other day about why he would thinks that Christian Catholic is the correct one not the Orthodox or other religions. He said, “Our religion is the right one and I can prove to you”, I excused myself because I don’t have that much apatite for religions. This proves my earlier point that, religions’ superiorities are in the eyes of the beholders.
I never would assume that I am superior or inferior to anyone. However, when it comes to expertise, I do recognize that some people are superior to me at certain skills and at the same time inferior to me at certain skills. For example, a Software designer is superior that a Marketer when it comes to fixing a computer and that Software designer would be inferior when it is the other way around.
So just be comfortable with yourself and don’t think too much of it. Try to learn the tradition behind other peoples’ beliefs and customs, so when you go home you’d think that your staying was worth it because if you’ve learnt new things that otherwise wouldn’t be possible.
What I really missed from living in the Gulf is that, people there don’t take a much notice of your colour. They do I have to say judge others according to their level of education, wealth and image – I dislike it when people judge according to your image and that’s part what I hated the most when I lived there.
Take care
Peace/love muslimbangladeshi
There are nonmuslims who are not Westerners. You didn't read me 'railing' against them. That was a hint.
I don't hold any race, ethnicity or group innately superior to another by dint of 'birth rights', by simply being born into Muslim families, or a certain ethnicity, or nationality etc won't make you superior or inferior.
It's actions that matter and many a Westerner are in fact Muslims. Alhamdulillah they have seen the light. Even if they remain Christian, I have already said I don't have a problem. Christianity has many similarities with Islam once you remove the 'innovations' added to it by certain spinsters.
It does forbid fornication, adultery, drug addiction, murder, other crimes.
You are unduly 'whining', if I may say that. Westerners and Muslims are not exclusive groups, nor is the world composed of only people who are westerners and/or Muslims. muslimbangladeshi
Interesting and very informative post brother.
What do you mean by 'image'? Do you mean people judge you based on your looks/ ethnicity/ race/ nationality in the Gulf? muslimbangladeshi
No time to answer now.
I hope you see the true path. Humbleman
Whwn I referred to image I meant that, the type of car you own, the clothes you’re wearing, the expensive watch, and the expensive house you own.
Take care boss Mahmoud04 I am enjoying this funny fight, everybody has a point, may be all wrong, may be all are right? But does it really matter!!!! take it easy guys, we share the same world (God created it for us "all mankind, believers and non") stop lets learn how to exchange opinions without fighting, lets learn how to make friends (the more popular u r, the more richer u r "not money what makes u rich". After all I feel really pissed while drinking this cup of black coffee to start my working day :(, cya and have a nice day every1. M reviewer
MB, Its obvious that when presented with facts you cringe and deny it and tend to deviate from the truth. Its hurts when one is presented with the on-your-face truths. It does hurt......
Insisting that promiscuity, lewd, behaviour, immorality only exist in the west and not in your own country or the muslim world, is not ignorance in your part as I know very well (from your post) that its a big lie (accepting the truth) and outright HYPOCRISY ........ Chocoholic In all honesty, who cares what any other person believes! If you choose to subscibe to a certain religion and live your life according to it, then that is your choice. But you have no right to enforce those opinions and ways of life on others who wish to have nothing to do with it! Life is too short for goodness sake. I subscribe to no religion, I have not been baptised, my parents wanted me to choose my own path, which is what I have done, by deciding that I 'choose' not to have anything to do with such things because I see no benefit to my life. It's worked out pretty well so far. reviewer
Ditto 8) muslimbangladeshi I don't know if it's true, but it's really disgusting. Only in a Western country can this happen.
muslimbangladeshi Reviewer, can you tell us any nonwestern country where paedophile parties call for legalization of intercourse with children of any age, even if they are 12, where they call for inter course with animals, where drugs are legalized, same as prostitution, homosexuality, bordeollos, incest, and so on? And it's ONLY the Western world where Muslim religion, followers and the Prophet (PBUH) is not only insulted but the government supports these moves. The Westerners should have the courage to face facts. reviewer
MB, can you tell me that the things you've mentioned above never happen in any non-western country whether its a christian, muslim, hindu,buddhist.....
Tell me..........
You..and only you who hijacked religion for their own good should have the courage to face facts..... Chocoholic MB, if you're so against everything, do us all a favour and go live in Saudi would you. Oh wait I lived there for many years, they're morally corrupt too, so oh golly gosh no palce for you there. Go back into your hole hey! Rockon, prisoners get to watch free porn - excellent! Saves paynig for it! kanelli muslimbangladeshi, whenever I post something you don't want to address, you say you will write later. Then you write later only to post more anti-Western sentiment. What a piece of work you are! I think we should all stop responding to this troll. He wants an audience for his anti-West, racist, religionist views. Let's not indulge him. I've heard enough from from this sad, hateful person. Chocoholic Good point Kanelli. Will do! reviewer + 1 Kanelli muslimbangladeshi
Instead of diverting the thread topic with emotional outbursts of zero logical import, lets try to answer the questions I posed.
Is there a single nonwestern country which allows ALL the ills I had mentioned ( and quoted by you above) AND MORE?
NO. muslimbangladeshi
Unless you are mentally deficient, you can't be expected to make an illogical post like the one above.
What does "so against everything" mean anyway? It beats me.
Second, I am not out here to do you or any other Westerner a favour. In fact, since hypocrisy is second nature to Westerners (like you), I'd suggest you take a long hard look at yourselves in the mirror and appraise critically your actions.
It's you who's living in Muslim countries while being a nonmuslim; you are from the UK which is the single biggest criminal nation in the history of the world and its repercussions are still being felt today. It is presently a major hypocrite and source of discontent for much of the world for its horrendous actions like illegal invasions of Iraq and siding with idiots to kill millions.
It's advisable that the favour to be done that you so yearn is done by you and people of your ilk. By perhaps flying your bottoms to recession hit nosediving economies of the immoral, illogical and hypocrite Western world. Chocoholic Blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda Well wake up and smell the coffee would you? You thnk there is no hypocrisy in Muslim countries? erm wait let me see, what about the prostitution, the booze, the drugs - oh but wait according to you this stuff doesn't exist here - hahahahahahaha! Clearly you don't read the papers. Whatever. You're a troll! muslimbangladeshi

JK, a 31-year old Bangladeshi taxi driver, takes time off from his hectic schedule to share his experience in the city.


If this is racism, I love it. Most Bangladeshis will love it, and say gladly, dish out more 'racism à la Dubai'. Earn 5 times the money you earn in Bangladesh, while living in safer, more developed and advanced conditions. Who wouldn't love it if you are from Bangladesh? There is no religious tension with our Emirati brothers, no imposition of bans on Adhaans like in UK or other Western countries which hypocrites and ungrateful Western originated residents of Dubai even dare rail against. Dubai does not round up or refuse employment to Bangladeshis due to religious reasons.
Now would all the Western hypocrites in this forum, and be men of their words? Explain how Dubai treats our brothers from the whole world like lower beings.
In fact, why not deepen ties between our brotherly countries to a much greater level, Emirati brothers? Increase trade, cultural, religious, scientific, industrial and economic exchanges. UAE has already invested a lot in Bangladesh and Warid Telecom, one of the new entrants to BD mobile telephony market is from our brotherly Emirates.
Invite more Bangladeshis and other citizens of brotherly countries, who due to a much closer affinity to Dubai's religion, customs, culture, tradition and norms will not upset the local population in the same vein as some of our british counterparts (e.g. open love making in the beach).
Please also ensure more Bangladeshis from all strata of society, from the semi-skilled to the highly literate ones are attracted to Dubai. Unfortunately many Bangladeshis are ignorant about Dubai and so are many of our Emirati brothers about Bangladesh. This situation has to be improved.
We need to strengthen our bonds in light of what has been happening to us due to external actions. Who are present in this board too, and try their utmost to spoil this fraternal bond from strengthening. muslimbangladeshi
Alhamdulillah brother. None of us ordinary human beings is perfect.
Still we must admit, there is none of the added tension of racism, religious discrimination, fire bomb attacks, anti Islamic rhetoric, threats against Muslim countries and illegal invasion of other Muslim countries including murder of millions of innocent civilians from ANY of our Emirati brothers.
I can't say the same is true for the Western world, for example.
It's much better to strengthen our ties (within our brotherly populations) than be left gaping awed and surprised at external forces who try to harm our Ummah.
If you don't know what I am talking about, please learn a bit about "Project for the New American Century", "Clash of Civilizations", "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" for a starter.
This will give you a glimpse of what goes inside the minds of Westerners. And how we need to tackle them. muslimbangladeshi
If you forgot about this thread for a moment, just look at your post above, one can easily be lured into thinking you're the troll from your posting style.
I have a suspicion you are not a troll, only a little challenged intellectually.
No offense intended to any of our brothers for the diversion of topic caused by some irrelevant posting from a testy briton K-Dog Stop it with your racist views you narrow minded prick. BTW FBI would be intersted in tracking down your IP address. Get over it, Emiratis do not consider you brothers. I'll share with you a story of my Bangaldeshi cleaner at the office. He came up to me and started crying and tried to tell me something in his own language. I had a subordinate translate it for me. In brief he was defrauded by an gent. They told him his salary would be 750 here and now they deduct 300/mo for his meals. After spending 50 on a phone card he is left with only 400 to send back. He is married with a kid in Bagladesh. He is selling phone cards now for 1 Dh commission per card and wanted me to tell all of my subordinates to buy cards from him. I was in tears, couldn't even sleep that night. I don't want to share the kind of financial help I do for him every month now. Not your Emiarti brothers, they don't give a sh@!. muslimbangladeshi
If you have studied Statistical theory (even if you haven't), you would not make the presumptious mistake of taking one example to draw a conclusion about a larger number of cases.
I said I would reply to you later, only once AFAICR, that's because I ran out of time and had other things to do. I have been replying to a barrage of posts from trolls from the Western world including your kind self for hours and on with no end in sight.
Isn't it hilarious that Westerners would be dominating a forum on (and the real life relating to) Dubai by trying to impose their viewpoints, culture and customs which often times are shamelessly lewd, lascivious, lack moral fortitude or totally decadent?
And a decent person who hasn't tended to reply with one liners, personal insults or dismissing others as trolls is in turn called a troll by these hypocrite Westerners for his views run contrary to their ideas, plans and schemes?
FYI I am not in this forum to discuss issues with primarily nonmuslim Westerners. If they happen to be around, fine. If not, no problems either. The PRIMARY AIM of my presence here is to learn more about and interact with residents of Dubai and the wider UAE in general and our Emirati brothers and sisters on various issues. muslimbangladeshi
Your ignoranct namecalling and immature trolling aside, there is no proof of your statement.
Moreover, look at how Bangladeshis are treated in the Western world and even nonwestern nonmuslim countries of the Orient. Dubai is FAR better for Bangladeshis and the wider Ummah.
Don't cry foul for you have nothing better to say. If you have a point, try to make legible and credible posts that can be acceptable to the local community (of Emirates). Chocoholic Oh really! Well tell that to the Bangladishi office boy who used to work in my old company, who asconded from his previous company, because they promised him this that and the other, and when he got there, ended up getting less than half the money promised and deductions for his visa. The blacklisted him, so he couldn't come back into the country. muslimbangladeshi Who are the moderators that allow immature posters like K-Dog to troll around this forum? Chocoholic Oh and it's a bit stupid highlighting articles from Gulf News when they are governemntally owned, heavily edited and forbidden from saying anything bad about Dubai! I should know, I used to work there! How about this then? There have been countless articles in 7 Days and interviews with taxi drivers and workers who're treated like dirt. Erm hello, why don't you just talk to one! Everyday they are complaining and they have a right to! You are no brother to the Emirati's and you are dreaming if you think they will ever see or treat you as equal. Chocoholic
The same people that put up with your drivel on a daily basis!
er I'm one of them! mesheditor thanks MuslimBangladishie, nice posts and well said. Chocoholic Oh remember this little gem? Gulf News 2005: Driver Jailed for Bestiality A man has been sentenced to three months in jail after pleading guilty to charges of bestiality. reports today’s Gulf News. The camel involved in the case is to be put down in accordance with Islamic law. A court official said the Bangladeshi, who worked as a driver, had been spotted going into his employer’s barn on a regular basis. His employer became suspicious as his duties did not involve him dealing with animals. The official said the employer, a UAE national, followed his driver into the barn one day and saw him starting to have sex with a female camel. The owner lost his temper and started beating him. He then took him to the police station to press charges. The official said the driver confessed to police that he used to have sex with one particular camel. The police arrested him and the case was referred to the Public Prosecution. The official added the man told the prosecution that he had fallen in love with the camel and had sex with the animal. The emirate’s Criminal Court sentenced him on Wednesday to three months in jail, to be followed by deportation. It also stated that the camel be put down as its meat would now be tainted. Chocoholic For every good article you pull up, there'll 10 bad ones. So don't even bother. muslimbangladeshi
Your posts don't even make sense, I wonder who allowed you to be the moderator.
You should post once you learn to make logical statements only. muslimbangladeshi
Shukran brother. muslimbangladeshi
Source?
I think your story confused Bangladeshi with "British".
That makes more sense. muslimbangladeshi
Remember you told about your ex-girlfriend who was Greek? The old Greek-Turkish rivalry.
Your article calls it the "Indian" subcontinent. "End of". muslimbangladeshi
I'm afraid, Alcoholic is a better name for you!
Most of your posts are tripe, sheer unadulterated tripe! arniegang
The Brits call it "spin", everyone else would call it propaganda.
This Article was written the week after the RTA stopped all taxi drivers having their own cars for 24/7. It was deemed more profitable for 2 drivers to share a taxi 12 hours a day each.
It also had the effect to cut costs and increase profits in that the RTA did not have to order a new fleet to replace their older Toyota's.
Previously a taxi driver had to work 6 days for 15 hours a day to have an income of around 5k Dhs a month. To earn this he had to exceed his daily target by 50%.
I nor anyone else with more than 3 brain cells could believe any taxi driver could earn 11,000 Dhs a month for a 12 hour day. To earn this much he would have to take on the meter an average of 2000 Dhs a day throughout the whole month. (this would equate to 11 trips a day to Abu Dhabi from Dubai Marina or 264 trips a month based on a 6 day week) Red Chief
As I know he has 35% from his taximeter if he made plan 370 AED per day. An average wage is 3500-5000 depend on season. Some of them left only primary school. So they are satisfied as a rule...
A few months ago drivers from Sharjah have 1500 AED per month and were not happy.... muslimbangladeshi DK, answer these 1 Is the Adhan banned in UAE? Compare with the Western world 2 Is there cases of firebombing, and attacks on mosques in the UAE? Compare with the Western world. 3 Is there cases of religious discrimination against Bangladeshis in UAE? Compare with the Western world. 4 Is there a case of UAE calling for or actually having committed an invasion of Muslim countries killing millions of innocents? Compare with the Western world. 5 Is there a case of UAE allowing insult to the Prophet (PBUH)? Compare with the Western world. 6 Is there a case of anti Islamic rhetoric supported by the government in the UAE? Compare with the Western world. 7 Is there a case of the UAE stealing its wealth from colonies abroad through illegal means? Compare with the Western world. Why are you and some other nonmuslim Westerners and one Indian coming in our way, in the way of our Emirati brothers forging better ties between us? What are your problems? arniegang Chocoholic
Source? Gulf News - it says at the top! Clearly you don't even bother to read things properly. Dubai Knight [quote="muslimbangladeshi"]DK, answer these
1 Is the Adhan banned in UAE? No, its a Muslim country. Its not banned in western countries either. I have personally heard it in the UK, France and Germany. Are church bells banned in the UAE? Yes of course they are.
2 Is there cases of firebombing, and attacks on mosques in the UAE? No. Again its a Muslim country, however there are in other countries like Iraq,Jordan and Egypt...which are Muslim countries. Mostly carried out between Sunni and Shiite factions.
3 Is there cases of religious discrimination against Bangladeshis in UAE? Yes. Not just religious, but national and ethnic too. You are second class citizens here from the moment you arrive. Blame your Muslim Emirati 'brothers' for that.
4 Is there a case of UAE calling for or actually having committed an invasion of Muslim countries killing millions of innocents? The UAE has only been in existence for 32 years and why would it invade another muslim country? It has openly condemned Israel and probably would invade if its armed forces were a match for the Israelis. How far back do you want to go? Saladin? The Arabic Empire? That reached as far as China and committed atrocities of genocidic proportions. Its an irrelevant question as the UAE is not a military power. Iraq(muslim country) invaded Kuwait(muslim country) killed thousands (muslims killing muslims) and Kuwait called on Saudi Arabia (muslim country) to help. Who did the Saudis call? The US and the UK.
5 Is there a case of UAE allowing insult to the Prophet (PBUH)? Is there a case of the western world allowing insult to Jesus or God generally? Yes, we are not so anal about our individual religions.
6 Is there a case of anti Islamic rhetoric supported by the government in the UAE? Irrelevant, its a muslim country. Turn the tables around and think non muslim in the west. They tolerate Islam everywhere, but you are a tiny minority and therefore don't have the right to try and dominate.
7 Is there a case of the UAE stealing its wealth from colonies abroad through illegal means? OH WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START!!!!! That is a nest of vipers you would really not like me to open in this public forum!
Why are you and some other nonmuslim Westerners and one Indian coming in our way, in the way of our Emirati brothers forging better ties between us?quote]
Let me tell you our problems:
1. Islam is a good religion...but don't try and ram it down our throats. Many of us understand your religion and have studied others, in depth. Islam is not the dominant religion on the planet, and never will be. Accept it. Its one derivation of the same monodeiic theme and just because you believe it, doesn't mean everyone else does. Being a Zealot is a dangerous thing.
2. Your country and the UAE are small, insignificant dots on the world geo political map. Go and travel and find out for yourself. In the general scheme of things, you are unimportant. Don't try to make yourselves out to be something you are clearly not.
3. Forge as many ties as you like with the UAE, however you will soon learn that commerce yakes priority over religion here everytime. What have you got to offer commercially? Cheap slave labour. That is what the UAE wants your country for. You have jack else to offer.
Just open your eyes a little and stop concentrating on the pattern of your prayer mat and you might realise there is a much bigger world out there that has its own problems and will ignore yours.
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Knight kanelli Applause for DK :) uaekid [quote="Dubai Knight"]
DK: I can't see ant relevant in your answers to the post above you and again your responds are similar to your leader chocoholic ! obviously always twisting the subject and brings the hate you have for others or should I call it the negativity in viewing a cretin issue (The conspiracy theory) .
That’s said, regarding so called reply to muslimbangladeshi who is again an out numbered member I have a reply of my own to you.
1- yes ISLAM is not the dominant religion on the planet but it is the second one and is the fastest growing religion in the world and if are wondering why since you seem to be a bit racist I have one word for you awareness…. I careless but you seem to be worried about it!
2-you caring for countries political maps makes you a small one in your personality plus unlike you we are not aggressive to worry about political values and concentrated at the economical and financial map which pushed the country to one of the highest in the region , talking about UAE as a hall not as a part. Countries GOVs seeking the UAE investment in their own countries and long term loans to the most power industrial countries I think is more than enough to put us in any map of your choice.
3- Again being short sited, sadly you always look at commercial values so slow down in chugging other .. anyway in response to your num 3 point, foreigners and their companies are the one who are the guilty ones in abusing human rights in the UAE not the GOV, and in which mostly owners from the same countries as the labors nationality, taking you for example as a small business owner, if we dig deep inside your business we will for sure find some kind of an abuse this has been said from the Indian ambassador him self. So layoff the guilt of my government. Chocoholic I think that was a brilliant post by DK. He answered all the questions, was fair and to the point. What is not to understand in any of his replies. You will have to come to terms that the many people in the world have never even heard of Dubai, let alone the UAE. uaekid
What a shocking surprise LOOOOOL Chocoholic Why can't you just accept the fact that everything he has stated is true and correct? kanelli I think the only thing that ueakid can see is where his large and small intestines join together. Red Chief
As near as I understand from the brilliant Knight's post thera is the only decent country in the World. It's the USA.
Its satelites should be pride to provide cannon fodder for US numerous wars. Chocoholic Did DK mention the US? I don't think he did. Most Americans don't have a clue what's going on outside their own back yard - heck 90% of them don't even have a passport! uaekid
why are you forcing his opinion on me ? uaekid
I gave your momy a large part of me and she thinks other wise !!
we all can be funny :)
next please. Chocoholic
Not at all. But sadly Kid, it's not necessarily his opinion, more fact. Which you can't change sadly. K-Dog Choco, he is one sad pathetic human being. Please don't waste any more of your energy on him. K-Dog uaekid
I agree Chocoholic erm what's with the picture dude? K-Dog Just tried to lighten things up :) Actually it was supposed to go somewhere else. Sorry :( uaekid it is useless dear choco, and I for one is sick of these discutions that goes nowhere Humbleman I live in the other part of the world far away from the Middle East, and no one that I’ve met so far didn’t knows where Dubai is. That does explain how well-known Dubai is. Despite the fact that where I live Muslim people are very small number compare to other religions, the number of people who have converted to Islam are unbelievable. This proves the point that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. I remember, few months ago that a company from Dubai wanted to buy half of the local airport shares. The airport boards were okay with the idea, but then a large of people voiced their oppositions to the deal. There was no obvious explanation of their oppositions, even thought the local airport was in desperate need for cash. I remember some people were saying that, if Arab took control of the airport, then they would slowly take control of our country – as silly as it might sound but that was their major fear. This Arab-phobia or should I say Islam-phobic proves that there are people who are scared of Islam and Arab in some Western countries. However I’m proud that, Dubai has shows the world how civilised, peaceful, tolerant and polite the Arab and Muslim toward others. Otherwise some of you wouldn’t prefer working in the UAE over your own countries or in Saudi Arabia in that matter. This beg the question that, have you ever been forced to accept or convert Islam while you are living in there – the answer is yours. You see, Islam cannot force anyone to embrace what it stands for; instead it’s relies on others to see the truth in it. Sadly there are some lunatic people who claim they are represent Islam but all what they have been doing is representing the opposite of Islam, and the Media especially in the West love that. I am sorry, but that’s the truth. Dubai Knight
Applause for Humbleman on this occasion! I can only hope that UAEkid will see the truth and take his oversized designer rose tinted sunglasses off for a while.
Unfortunately, the situation in ALL religions are the dangers of the fanatical minority who try to bulldoze their own narrow minded opinions on everyone.
I have spent a considerable time in Saudi Arabia, in places where Westerners would normally never be seen. I have been to Mecca and Medina. I am not a Muslim. I was invited by the Government of Saudi Arabia and was welcomed because I respect Islam and Muslim belief.
There were questions asking whether I would be willing to convert, however I had to point out that I hold no allegiance to any earthbound religion and personally believe that religion is used by politicians to control the people. Politics are used by the religious fanatics to justify their ends.
I have been lucky to meet and discuss at length the tenets of Islam with the most senior Muslim scholars and the discussions were always lively and two sided. Unfortunately the people who have been posting here seem to think their view is the only one and that everyone should follow them.
I don't follow. I lead.
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Ah the force is strong within you Jedi! muslimbangladeshi
Looking for a link here. URL? Dubai Knight
It is!
Beware the Dark Side!
The Gold Souk is there!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Knight Chocoholic Those who pledged allegiance to the Darkside, shall feel the force of my lightsabre. Cunning I am! muslimbangladeshi [quote="Dubai Knight"][quote="muslimbangladeshi"]DK, answer these
1 Is the Adhan banned in UAE? No, its a Muslim country. Its not banned in western countries either. I have personally heard it in the UK, France and Germany. Are church bells banned in the UAE? Yes of course they are.

2 Is there cases of firebombing, and attacks on mosques in the UAE? No. Again its a Muslim country, however there are in other countries like Iraq,Jordan and Egypt...which are Muslim countries. Mostly carried out between Sunni and Shiite factions.
3 Is there cases of religious discrimination against Bangladeshis in UAE? Yes. Not just religious, but national and ethnic too. You are second class citizens here from the moment you arrive. Blame your Muslim Emirati 'brothers' for that.

4 Is there a case of UAE calling for or actually having committed an invasion of Muslim countries killing millions of innocents? The UAE has only been in existence for 32 years and why would it invade another muslim country? It has openly condemned Israel and probably would invade if its armed forces were a match for the Israelis. How far back do you want to go? Saladin? The Arabic Empire? That reached as far as China and committed atrocities of genocidic proportions. Its an irrelevant question as the UAE is not a military power. Iraq(muslim country) invaded Kuwait(muslim country) killed thousands (muslims killing muslims) and Kuwait called on Saudi Arabia (muslim country) to help. Who did the Saudis call? The US and the UK.
5 Is there a case of UAE allowing insult to the Prophet (PBUH)? Is there a case of the western world allowing insult to Jesus or God generally? Yes, we are not so anal about our individual religions.
6 Is there a case of anti Islamic rhetoric supported by the government in the UAE? Irrelevant, its a muslim country. Turn the tables around and think non muslim in the west. They tolerate Islam everywhere, but you are a tiny minority and therefore don't have the right to try and dominate.

7 Is there a case of the UAE stealing its wealth from colonies abroad through illegal means? OH WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START!!!!! That is a nest of vipers you would really not like me to open in this public forum!

Why are you and some other nonmuslim Westerners and one Indian coming in our way, in the way of our Emirati brothers forging better ties between us?
Let me tell you your problem.
You are an effing idiot, imbecile, moron, nincompoop, douchebag, retarded twerp.
If I ask you, is your name "Johnny"? The answer I am looking for is "yes" or "no", followed by perhaps a one-line affirmation/negation
EG "Yes I am Johnny" OR "No, I am not Johnny" OR sth similar.
You don't say, look I am not Johnny, but it's irrelevant, your problem is you are insignificant, you are being cheap slave labour providers to your Emirati brothers, UK is all too great, and we are feeling offended because it's been exposed that I am not Johnny and blah blah blah blah
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I can answer ALL of your points one by one, but it's IRRELEVANT.
I asked for facts based answers, you could have provided them. But you only made a total fool out of yourself in an effort to delineate UK and Weestern world as superior to Bangladesh and UAE.
You are free to leave UAE if you don't like its rules, UAE is far more heard of in the world than the UK would ever have been if it had a tiny population, no resources and no history of colonial plundering from the subcontinent and elsewhere.
Can't be bothered to refute all your stupid points which are again, irrelevant. Red Chief
Why are you so slow uneducated person? She gave you all details...
muslimbangladeshi
I am afraid he made a total fool out of himself and by supporting his chock-full of irrelevant tripe post, you are seen as the same.
As already explained, if I ask you, "Are you a woman?", the answer is either "Yes" or "No" followed by an affirmation or negation.
Not some rambling along the line of "No. But you see, having masculine gender is nothing to sneer at. While transgenders such as chocoholic take the meaning of sexuality to an all new different level by dint of their weird fetishes and inability to post coherent sentences. To top it off, he/she can gel together pretty well with DK who spouts a bunch of garbage reply unrelated to the thread or the questions asked."
The answers are pretty straightforward and can be answered using facts. Dubai Knight [quote="muslimbangladeshi"][quote="Dubai Knight"]
Hmmm...my first reaction is to fire off a series of pointless abusive convective insults in return to your tirade, however on reflection, your lack of comprehension and verbosity quite clearly show that you are merely a stage above spirogyra on the food chain and therefore hardly worth wiping from my shoe....or a lawyer.
Your questions were one sided and worded as would be those by a cheap prosecution lawyer. This is not a court. The right to debate is here and the answers provided were as plain as the balls on a dog. You have obviously not reached that level and are quite plainly the puckered pink ring that rests just above!
"Cast the mote from thine own eye..."
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Knight muslimbangladeshi
It's expected that when you claim something, you supply the evidence.
I tend to do that, I provided the links for my posts. It's the same courtesy I expected of her, which neither you nor her must have heard of, ever perhaps. Dubai Knight OK MB, here is a simple question, the answer is either yes or no: Have you stopped self abusing your genitals yet? Come on...answer the question. What no response? Then you must be an ignoramus! Tchuh! What a surprise! :roll: :roll: :roll: Knight muslimbangladeshi
Shukran brother,
these nonmuslim arrogant westerners will not only try to put down Islam but as seen here try to defend each and every single hypocritic action of their countries and societies.
The problem in this Dubai forum, and in dubai city, is you allowed too many of them for your own good. You should only invite more Muslims and put pressure on your government to do the same.
UAE enjoys good reputation in our part of the world and many of us marvel at the tremendous rise in fortune for our brotherly country. In fact, the case of Dubai is perplexing, the way it has risen to become a major global powerhouse in Investments, trade, finances, etc.
He only mentioned irrelevant points but my original points remained unanswered. He tried to change topic cleverly but couldn't fool any of us sane persons, only some lickspittle would gladly cheer them on. The westerners support each other, we can see this in this forum.
It's the right time to call into action more unity for our Ummah.
I agree with your points. It's the Western forumers including a certain chocoholic and DK who tried to insult myself and religion, also nationality. I haven't seen this behaviour from any of our Emirati brothers.
Yet all these nonmuslim westerners feverishly claim only Emiratis are racist against us, while westerners are not racist?
Ridiculous are those westerners, beware of their hypocrisy. Chocoholic No, DK did not make a fool out of himself. It is YOU who have made a fool of yourself, by demonstrating your complete lack of comprehension for any kind of intelligent discussion. The simple fact that you require yes or no answers to questions which require complex replies, clearly demonstrates this fact. We are not standing in the way of anything. YOU are standing in the way of the prograssion of this country and YOU will never be a 'brother' to an Emirati, no matter how hard you try, you will always be looked down upon. So I suggest you accept your place in teh scheme of things, which is as an insignificant being, who lacks any kind of coherent intelligence, because this is all far beyond your comprehension! DK, forgive my hastiness I forget the major teachings. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defennce and never for attack. :D muslimbangladeshi
The answer to your question is,
your question starts from an invalid premise
I asked, h

Show me where the wrong premises are, if at all there are any, as you are trying to insinuate with your promiscuous slanderous question which is typical of a Westerner brought up in an environment where his mother is nonchalantly enjoyed by strangers, dildos and animals as a matter of custom. muslimbangladeshi
Of course you would say that. What a surprise.
I am yet to see our Emirati brothers being racist to me, while I have seen both you and DK trying to belittle me.
Enough said.

Repetition of a baseless unsupported statement doesn't make it true, maybe your politicians believe it, and your masses gobble up cooked up statements by your politicians.
But my questions were easy to answer.
If I asked you, are you British? Do you have to go as far as history of Senegal and Egypt during or before 1000CE to answer this?

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DK, Chocoholic, beware, the Dubai and Emirati government may track you down. I hope they do track you down and expel your filthy loathesome beings to whereever you came from, with your hate filled anti Islamic rants.[/color] Chocoholic Really? And must I remind you of the Bangladeshi caught boning a camel once again - Gulf News 2005 - google! Chocoholic Yebecause I'm not British! Did you forget that the UK is made up of four different countries? Huh the cheek of it! muslimbangladeshi
For all that we know, that person may be a nonmuslim.
For all that we know, he may have been 'inspired' by bordellos in Norway or Denmark.
Chocoholic Rant and rave if you will. But get a rise, you will not. It's very easy to see where the country is going, do you see it reverting back to Islamic ways? No you do not. You see it making itself more and more acceptable to tourism to encourage people to come here and to invest here. With the likes of the DVB and now lesbo couple Lindsay Lohan and Sam Ronson buying places here, it's not going to go any other way. So you are going to have to accpet that. But of course you wouldn't know any of this, because you do not live here! muslimbangladeshi
Dubai, is an Emirate, a part of the United Arab Emirates, which is a part of the wider Arab and Muslim world.
And it shall be that way Inshallah, whatever you may say.

I hope the Dubai government expels the traitors that criticize and put down Islam. Dubai Knight
Your answer proves it: You are officially a 'Barclays Banker'!
Don't forget who the Mod of this forum is. Any more openly abusive language and you will find my Lightsabre up your jacksie and the little button that I possess called 'edit' being brought into effect. I have deferred until now as the political aspects of the arguments were being debated from two sides, however this is one that I feel may need to be removed to Fight Club unless you curb the language.
You decide.
My finger is poised...
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Brother ignore the troll that is DK and chocholic.
They MUST be expelled from the UAE, because if you don't take prompt action and allow these 'leeches' (if you excuse me for the harsh word) to set their tentacles on UAE society with their promiscuous actions and ideas, with values that are destabilizing the future of the youth of our Emirati brothers, it will be a disaster of epic proportion in the making, of the Emirati government's OWN making (because they never took prompt action to nip the troublemakers in the bud).
Expel them, let them feel superior despite all the shortcomings already exposed in their systems, BUT only in their homelands.
UAE is not going to allow fornication for its own women, children and other devious and immoral activities to be a norm in UAE. kanelli DK and Chocs, I have no idea why you are wasting your time with muslimbangladeshifreakyfanatic and uaekidisdefinitelyakidlikely14yrsold. They aren't interested in any real debate or discussion, only want to spout off their one-sided views. There is no possibility of intelligent debate when there is pure hate. muslimbangladeshi DK, dont try to threaten me on a forum UAEKid brother, what can you do to inform the Emirati government of two traitors in your midst. You must take prompt action, look at Dubai Knight and Chocoholic's anti Muslim posts. Take prompt action. muslimbangladeshi
I want to exchange ideas with reasonable persons, mostly Emiratis, Arabs or our fellow brothers from anywhere.
Even people from anywhere else are welcome, provided they adhere to minimal decorum.
They should remember, they are the foreigners and need to be expelled if something goes awry. Don't like it in UAE? Plz LEAVE. That's the motto of ALL WESTERN COUNTRIES. Dubai Knight
Rich, from someone who doesn't live here!
And the only threat to you is regarding the content of your posts. Having read the contents of the posts here...there has never been a single anti Muslim post, however there have been numerous inciteful and extremist views from your side. You have been warned.
One more and its off to FC.
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Knight Red Chief
Oh, boy...
Are you going to add something to his post to make it funnier for you? I hope not... K-Dog
Just like you've been reported to certain agency for your extremist views. Chocoholic Hahahaha oh my goodness! What a laugh I had over that rant. I'm sure the powers that be will have a chuckle over it aswell. My dear, you see unfortunately for you, I have quite a few friends in high places and sweetheart I hate to burst your bubble, but they're certainly not going to listen to you. You see even in Saudi, where I lived for many years, the royal family are progressive and innovative, they are trying to move away from the ideas that you insist everyone must live by. Sorry my dear but you are fighting a losing battle. I have never been against Islam or Muslims, why should I be, I have many friends from that religion and culture. But the difference is, they fully understand what is happening and find a happy medium. You are unable to accept prograssion and change, therefore my dear, this is no place for you. You do not live here, so I do not think you have the right to comment on what is good and bad in the UAE. kanelli muslimbangladeshi, why are you so worried about the bad influences in the UAE? This isn't your country. Go worry about Bangladesh! I think our Emirati brothers and sisters are thinking the same thing. The UAE is a moderate Islamic country and there is no room for foreign fanatics. It is people like you who should be expelled. Western culture may be more lenient than what is found in Islamic countries, but Emiratis can control their own behaviour and don't need to act in "lewd" or "immoral" ways. Extreme religious fanatics cannot be trusted and can destroy everything that the UAE has worked for. Any murder or attacks done by religious fanatics to target non-Muslims on UAE soil would be a catastrophe for the UAE. It is people like you with extreme and possibly dangerous views that the UAE should be keeping track of, and you know what... they likely do. Dubai Knight
I have to admit, he has had me in stitches from day one!
I just love to see someone poke the stick in the hornets nest and then wonder why he gets stung! Poor little kid!
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Knight reviewer
Have not seen any anti-muslim that you've mentioned, except the anti-MB views which I and most probably everyone here think you really deserve..... reviewer
I agree the guy will not accept anything other than his own opinion, its pointless and waste of energy.
DK, CHOCS...save your energy........ uaekid dam it just wokeup and my name is already on the front page, did I became a star here or what,beside you guys know my present here brighten the dusy forum and it's old members. it needed refreshments. muslimbangladeshi : sorry man choco has a more power tool that I cant fight. it's is a rated 18+ reason and this is a public forum :) beside how can I track all of them since they hide behinde their nick names , they never mantion their names, countries and jobs... they are ashame of who they are , thats why I call them slaves in the first place LOL uaekid
Spelling check required LOOOOOOOOL still sleepy Chocoholic
Oh well if you're going round handing out refreshments, I'll haaaaave a bucket of popcorn, some peanut M&M's and a bottle of Corona please with a lime in the top!
Cheers! uaekid
Someone has a secret crush on me LOL I'm paying attention to you.don't worry :) Chocoholic Well you can share my popcorn if you like! :wink: uaekid cute :) still hate you though Chocoholic Ahhh don't you know that love and hate are very close, there's a fine line between them. Dubai Knight
Why not, he's buying!
Got any Maltesers? I like Maltesers!
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Knight



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