| hifriend223 |
| Many verses of the Bible make reference to the "three day and three night" prophesy (Matthew 20:19...etc.). Christian scholars themselves make mention of several cases throughout the Bible where people have put words in Jesus' mouth (see chapter two). They also recognize many passages of the Bible as being of a questionable nature. However, let us simplify this matter a little in order to make it easier to recognize the tampering fingerprints of the unscrupulous. Let us start with the assumption that no human being ever added or removed a single word from the Bible and move on from there. Please try to stay with me on this and you will see how only a very small amount of logic will prove that Jesus (pbuh) never said these words: You would be hard pressed to find a single Christian today who has not heard of the "three days and three nights" prophesy. Where do they get it from? They get it from "the Gospel of Matthew." What does it say? If we read Matthew 12 we will see how the Jews were giving Jesus (pbuh) no end of trouble. They were constantly doubting him and refusing to accept him. They had seen countless signs of his prophethood but insisted on disbelieving. Finally they ask him for a sign of his prophethood. How does Jesus (pbuh) allegedly respond to this request? Does he draw their attention to his healing of the lepers and the blind? No. Does he draw their attention to his casting out of devils? No. Does he point out his raising of the dead? No. Does he mention any of his other countless miracles? No. Well, what does he say? He says: "But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" Matthew 12:39-40 In effect, Jesus (pbuh) was claimed to have put all of his eggs in one basket. He was telling them that "NO" sign shall be given to them "BUT" the sign of Jonas. This ONE sign shall ALONE decide who is truthful, him or those who doubted him. This shall be the "be all end all" acid test of his truthfulness. Now, what is "Good Friday"? "Good Friday" is the day Christians tell us Jesus (pbuh) was crucified. In Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (tenth edition), it is defined as "the Friday before Easter observed in churches as the anniversary of the crucifixion of Christ." This is also confirmed by the Bible: "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath" Mark 15:42 So the Bible tells us that Jesus (pbuh) died on Friday, just before nightfall. According to the Bible, the Jews had been carting Jesus (pbuh) back and forth on "Good Friday" between Pontius Pilate and Harod trying to get a conviction and official sanction to crucify him. After all of this carting back and forth, they finally get him to the cross and hang him up on it. However, no sooner have they gotten him up on the cross than they are in a hurry to get him back down again. Why is that? It is because they believed that if he remained on the cross all night then he would defile their land. "And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance." Deuteronomy 21:22-23 So the Jews begged Pilate to break Jesus' legs so that he would die quickly from suffocation: "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.." John 19:31 About the sixth hour (twelve noon), Jesus is claimed to be in front of Pilate (John 19:14). According to the Bible (e.g. John 19:30), Jesus died around the ninth hour (three PM). During these three hours Jesus was dressed in purple with a crown of thorns and made fun of, spat on, abused and beaten, and then made to carry the cross to the location of his execution (John 19:17), the cross was planted in the ground, he was hung up on it, his title was written in Hebrew, Greek and Latin on the cross, lots were cast and his clothes distributed, he spoke to one of the two thieves and to an apostle, many people passed before him and rebuked him, he was given something to drink, and he died, all of which took place in these three hours, and his legs were never broken. After that there was thunder, an eclipse, and an earthquake, the veil of the temple was rent in twain, and the dead came out of their graves. Jesus (pbuh) was then let down and placed in the shroud and the tomb. Early Sunday morning (the first day of the week according to the Jews), while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene visits the tomb alone (Mark 16:9, John 20:1) and finds the stone moved and Jesus (pbuh) missing. Let us count: Event....................................Days...................... Nights "Good Friday "......................... - ....................... one Saturday (the sabbath).............one ..................... one Sunday morning...................... - ......................... - Total...................................... one day................ two nights As you can see, it is impossible to add up the days and nights so that they equal "three days and three nights." Assuming that Jesus (pbuh) waited until just before the arrival of Mary to leave the tomb, the Bible tells us that Jesus (pbuh) was in the ground for ONE day and TWO nights. Has the prophesy been fulfilled? Has the ONE "be all end all" sign to the Jews been established? Further, it is important to remember that Jonah was swallowed alive by a whale and remained in its belly alive for three days. His miracle was not that the whale swallowed him, nor that it swallowed him whole, nor yet that he remained in it's belly for three days (If I eat a piece of food and it remains in my stomach for three days, is this a "miracle"?). The miracle of Jonah was that HE DID NOT DIE. For Jesus to have properly fulfilled the prophecy, he would need to enter the tomb alive and come out alive just as Jonah entered the whale's belly ALIVE and came out of it's belly ALIVE. Why should Jesus give this of all signs if he was to die and be resurrected? Where is the "miraculous" similarity with the miracle of Jonah? |
| Apple Pie |
| The authors of the Koran tell us plainly, in several areas, that Jesus Christ died and was singularly resurrected three days later.....sura 86, and sura 89, for example... :wink: |
| hifriend223 |
| No way :D |
| hifriend223 |
| Apple Pie No way, Impossible, Nohow and Unthinkable Your Lyings is Known even for people who dont have any small idea about islam... The authors of the lyings on the Koran ( Mr. Apple Pie ) tell us plainly, in several areas, that Jesus Christ died and was singularly resurrected three days later..... The Quran tell us plainly, As the verses reveal, The unbelievers plotted and moved to kill Jesus. However, their plot failed and they ended up killing a look-alike. During this event, God raised Jesus up to His presence: And [on account of] their saying: "We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Messenger of God." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. God raised him to Himself. God is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat An-Nisa', 4:157-158) Here : Download The Holy Quran [Free] - (in 10 different languages) http://www.islamway.com/SF/quran/ |
| Apple Pie |
Let's take a look at this islamic one-hit-wonder... 4.157 وقولهم إنا قتلنا المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول الله وما قتلوه وما [color=red] صلبوه [/color] ولكن شبه لهم وإن الذين اختلفوا فيه لفي شك منه ما لهم به من علم إلا اتباع الظن وما قتلوه يقينا Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama [color=red] salaboohu [/color] walakin shubbiha lahum wa-inna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan 4.157 And their saying: "Certainly we killed The Messiah, Jesus , Mary's son, “allah's” messenger”, and that they killed Him , and that [color=red] they crucified Him [/color], and certainly they alike, and certainly whom they followed in Him , certainly they (are) not in doubt from Him , on account of Him, from knowledge, except to follow the belief, and that they surely killed him . This is the quintessential Islamic ayah used by Muslims in an attempt to thwart Jesus’ crucifixion, until death, upon the Cross. This ayah has been misinterpreted and promoted as a crucifixion denial, when, in fact, it is a Biblical confirmation that Jesus’ crucifixion, and death, upon the Cross, actually did take place. Rendering 4.157 as a crucifixion denial, forces the Koran into contradiction with itself. 4.157 contains a plethora of positive affirmations, including “wama”, and leaves no doubt in the mind of the reader that Jesus was killed upon the Cross. Observe this most revealing term, from 4.157, used in reference to Jesus Christ… [color=black]اختلفوا[/color] = “ikhtalafoo” “ikhtalafoo” definition: Masculine plural . They followed , or succeeded one another; whenever one went, another coming after him. The going, or moving repeatedly to and fro; so coming and going; or reciprocating. The returning, or repairing, time after time, or repeatedly, or frequently to a person or place; because it implies coming and going; and sometimes it means simply the returning; because this cannot be without a previous going. They disagreed in a thing or an affair or a case; every one of them took to, or held a way, or opinion, different from or contrary to that of another; both signify the same. It comes from the root “khahafa”, which means he came after, followed, succeeded, or remained after another or another that had perished or died. He, a man, retired, withdrew, or went away or apart. He fled. He ascended a mountain; to succeed, take the place of, be the agent, substitute of. A substitute ; a thing given, or received, or put, or done, instead of, in place of, or in exchange for, another thing. Difference of any kind. [color=gray]References: An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume two, pp. 792 - 799 The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 162 - 163[/color] Here we have a solid-gold confirmation that Jesus indeed died on the Cross, as the root confirms that His followers remained after He died on the Cross! Further, the root also confirms to us that Jesus was the sin substitution for mankind! Further still, we have a clause (flanked by “ma”), which can be rendered as a negative adverb confirming that there is “no doubt” about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ… [color=black]شك[/color] = “shakkin” “shakkin” definition: Doubt ; a wavering or vacillation in opinion between two things, whether they be equal in probability or such that one of them outweighs therein the other; or uncertainty; or a wavering or vacillation in opinion between two inconsistent things without making either of them to outweigh the other in the estimation of him who conceives the doubt; a pausing or hesitation between two extremes that are equal in probability without the mind’s inclining to either of them. Alternation or confusedness of two inconsistent things, in the judgment of a man, and their being equal. A state of commotion or disturbance of the heart and mind. A small crack in a bone. A seam, or line of sewing, of a garment. Arsenic. A covering that is put upon the backs of the two curved extremities of the bow. It comes from the root “shakka”, which means the thing, or case, or affair, was, or became, dubious, or confused. He doubted, wavered or vacillated in opinion, or was uncertain respecting it. Said of a camel, he limped or halted; or had a slight lameness of his hind leg: or his arm stuck to his side, and he had a slight lameness in consequence thereof. The cleaving or sticking of a thing to another thing. I pierced, or transpierced him, or it, with a spear, and with the arrow. He was made, or asserted to be connected with the lineage of another. [color=gray] References: An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume four, pp. 1582 - 1583 The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 297[/color] Amazing as it is, the root of this word gives us further insight that Jesus was pierced in the side – same as declared in the Holy Bible. |
| Apple Pie |
Pay close attention to this ayah, which has not one, not two, not three, but four instances of “wama”… Qooloo amanna biAllahi wama onzila ilayna wama onzila ila ibraheema wa-ismaAAeela wa-ishaqa wayaAAqooba waal-asbati wama ootiya moosa waAAeesa wama ootiya alnnabiyyoona min rabbihim la nufarriqu bayna ahadin minhum wanahnu lahu muslimoona 2.136 Yusuf Ali Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." Observe that Yusuf Ali chose NOT to render “wama” as a negative in four out of four instances. Thus, according to the flawed Islamic mindset that has been applied to 4.157, then this ayah should read… Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and NOT the revelation given to us, and NOT Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and NOT given to Moses and Jesus, and NOT given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." What else do you want to try...? |
| hifriend223 |
| [color=red]وما[/color] قتلوه [color=red]وما [/color]صلبوه [color=red]wama[/color] qataloohu means : [color=red]They did not [/color]kill him [color=red]wama[/color] salaboohu means : [color=red]They did not [/color]crucify him Its very clear Apple Pie you have to visit a doctor for your eyes |
| shafique |
| Applepie - your reverse psychology posts are excellent! Well done. It is a very good way to get people to study the Quran and understand what it is saying. May Allah bless you in your efforts to bring people to Islam. Wasalaam, Shafique |
| Chocoholic |
| But does it really matter in this day and age? I mean aren't there bigger things to worry and concern ourselves with? Just a thought. |
| hifriend223 |
| Apple Pie i told you to visit the opthalomlogist ... "We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Messenger of God." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. God raised him to Himself. God is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat An-Nisa', 4:157-158) What means : 157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- 158. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- وما قتلوه وما صلبوه wama qataloohu means : They did not kill him wama salaboohu means : They did not crucify him [color=red]The translation Depends on the sentens[/color] Its very clear Apple Pie here is a small test for you : Part (1) 1-What is the different between Meet and Meat ? 2-What is the different between Low and Law ? 3- What is the different between see and sea ? 4-What is the different between break and brake ? 5-What is the different between by and buy ? 6- What is the different between Silly Man and Sillyman ? Part(2) What does the word ( Table ) mean ? Select the answer please : a. An item of furniture with a flat top surface raised above the ground, usually on one or more legs. b. A flat tray which can be used as a table. c. A matrix or grid of data arranged in rows and columns. d. computing: a lookup table e. music: the top of a stringed instrument |
| Apple Pie |
As further evidence that 4.157 confirms Jesus’ death upon the cross, we have included all the Koranic crucifixion instances, which confirm that the Koran always describes a crucifixion event with complete certainty of death … • 5.33…they will be crucified till death • 7.124…I will surely crucify you till death • 12.41…so will be crucified till death • 20.71…and I will surely crucify you till death • 26.49…and I will surely crucify you till death Death through crucifixion is always mandated in the Koran. Thus, there is no reason at all to believe that 4.157 would break this trend… |
| hifriend223 |
| As we see that Apple Pie trying to lie on the non arab people and on who dont have any idea about islam or about the arabic language ... The Qur’an tells us that some of the Israelites rejected Jesus, and conspired to kill him, but Allah (God) rescued Jesus and raised him to Himself ... Also We prove it from the bible (The New Testament ) that The Prophet Isa (Jesus, peace be upon him) did not die... |
| outworldish |
| to Applie Pie.... first of all the Hifriend has proven from the bible that jesus did not die and was not crucified with reference. Where as you are using distorted translation ( of god knows which mental patient translated for you ) from the quran to prove that jesus was crucified. once again i would like to ask you the same question that shafique asked you. Are you sure you are not a muslim trying to use reverse psychology to bring people to read quran? |
| Apple Pie |
Calling others liars is hardly an excuse for your belief...
Where...?
Where...? |
| Apple Pie |
Where was this...?
We use the original classic Koranic Arabic to demonstrate our points... If you have a better source than this, please bring it forth...
As already stated, I am Christian. Not Muslim. Perhaps you have been caught off guard when you encountered someone who is wise to the same old Islamic mantra...yes? |
| outworldish |
your arguments are far from wise, more like idiotic. |
| Apple Pie |
Thanks for finding something in our response worthy of your time replying to... :wink: |
| outworldish |
Why not , im becoming fond of your silliness. I enjoy a little humor every now and then, after all i am human. and i do enjoy your idiocracy. please do keep them coming. |
| Apple Pie |
Will do... :wink: |
| hifriend223 |
| We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Messenger of God." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. God raised him to Himself. God is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat An-Nisa', 4:157-158) What means : 157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- 158. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- وما قتلوه وما صلبوه wama qataloohu means : They did not kill him wama salaboohu means : They did not crucify him http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Its very clear And we aprove it as well from the bible; that jesus said : "AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION SEEKETH AFTER A SIGN; AND THERE SHALL NO SIGN (no miracle) BE GIVEN TO IT, BUT THE SIGN (miracle) OF THE PROPHET JONAS: FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE'S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH." Matthew 12:39-40). WHAT WAS THE SIGN OF JONAH? Answer : That he WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE'S BELLY ((( Alive ))) Was Jonah dead or alive? Any Christian child who has attended Sunday School will give an immediate reply: "ALIVE!" A fish swallows Jonah. Was he dead or alive when swallowed? The answer again is "ALIVE" Was he dead or alive when "JONAH PRAYED UNTO THE LORD HIS GOD OUT OF THE FISH'S BELLY?" (Jonah 2:1) Surely dead men don't cry and don't pray! The answer again is "ALIVE" For three days and three nights the fish takes him around the ocean: dead or alive? "ALIVE!" is the answer. On the third day it vomits him on the seashore: dead or alive? A-L-I-V-E, of course! What had Jesus prophesied about himself? He said: "AS JONAH WAS ..... SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE" LIKE JONAH. And how was Jonah? Was he dead or alive for three days and three nights? Alive! ALIVE! ALIVE! If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb as he himself had foretold! Jesus had said "LIKE Jonah" not UNLIKE Jonah :) |
| Apple Pie |
Indeed, it is clear...if you take the time to actually read the Koranic context instead of basing an entire theology around one ayah. Let's review your first error in reasoning... ما = “ma” “ma” definition: Conjunctive pronoun . That ; which; that which; whatsoever; what; as; as much; in such a manner as; as much as; as for as; any kind; when; how. Does not, as a rule, refer to reasonable things, but instances to the contrary sometimes occur. It is one of those particles, which, in conditional propositions, govern the verb in the conditional mood; it is frequently a mere expletive . It is also a negative adverb, Not; in general it denies a circumstance either present, or of past, but little remote from the present; it governs the attribute in the accusative, thus it is a negative particle when placed before the perfect as in 53.2; or before a pronoun as in 68.2; or before an demonstrative noun as in 12.31. The particle, when joined to the perfect, denies the past; when joined to the imperfect, the present. [color=silver]References: An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, p. 3016 A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 2, p. 300 The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 523 - 524 A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, pp. 135 - 136[/color] To take "ma" as a negative, is to force other Koranic ayahs into contradiction.
Why did you leave-out the Biblical verses that state that Jesus died on the cross? Even the authors of the Koran remembered this. |
| hifriend223 |
| وما قتلوه وما صلبوه wama qataloohu means : They did not kill him wama salaboohu means : They did not crucify him http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ [color=red]I approve it from the bible look in (Matthew 12:39-40)[/color] |
| Apple Pie |
If you believe that, then your Koran has a contradiction in it... يخرج من بين الصلب والترائب Yakhruju min bayni alssulbi waalttara-ibi 86.7 He emerges from amidst the Cross and the grave. |
| hifriend223 |
| [color=red]وما قتلوه وما صلبوه wama qataloohu means : They did not kill him wama salaboohu means : They did not crucify him check here please : http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ The a pprove from the bible check here please :(Matthew 12:39-40)[/color] |
| Apple Pie |
The root “khahafa”, used in this ayah, means "he came after, followed, succeeded, or remained after another or another that had perished or died ." Thus...you really have no leg to stand on in supporting the Islamic paradigm... |
| hifriend223 |
| Muslims view Jesus as both a prophet and as the Messiah. However, the Muslim view of Messiah is not at the level Christians and Jews place the Messiah. To Jews and Christians, the Messiah is far above prophet, priest and king combined. But Muslims have high regard for prophets. So Muslims do not accept that Jesus would be crucified. Instead, Muslims believe that God removed Jesus from the cross and took him ... The Qur’an is very clear on this issue. It says : An-Nisa | 176 verses | The Women سورة النساء Sura #4 | Madina 157 وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ اللّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ لَفِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ مَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلاَّ اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًا Transliteration 157: Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi [color=red]wama qataloohu wama salaboohu[/color] walakin shubbiha lahum wainna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan Yusuf Ali 157: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- [color=red]but they killed him not, nor crucified him[/color], but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Shakir 157: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. Pickthal 157: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. M. Khan 157: And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (i.e. Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ): French 157: et à cause leur parole: ‹Nous avons vraiment tué le Christ, Jésus, fils de Marie, le Messager d'Allah›... Or, ils ne l'ont ni tué ni crucifié; mais ce n'était qu'un faux semblant! Et ceux qui ont discuté sur son sujet sont vraiment dans l'incertitude: ils n'en ont aucune connaissance certaine, ils ne font que suivre des conjectures et ils ne l'ont certainement pas tué. Spanish 157: y por haber dicho: "Hemos dado muerte al Ungido, Jesús, hijo de María, el enviado de Alá", siendo así que no le mataron ni le crucificaron, sino que les pareció así. Los que discrepan acerca de él, dudan. No tienen conocimiento de él, no siguen más que conjeturas. Pero, ciertamente no le mataron, Indonesian 157: dan karena ucapan mereka: "Sesungguhnya Kami telah membunuh Al Masih, 'Isa putera Maryam, Rasul Allah" , padahal mereka tidak membunuhnya dan tidak (pula) menyalibnya, tetapi (yang mereka bunuh ialah) orang yang diserupakan dengan 'Isa bagi mereka. Sesungguhnya orang-orang yang berselisih paham tentang (pembunuhan) 'Isa, benar-benar dalam keragu-raguan tentang yang dibunuh itu. Mereka tidak mempunyai keyakinan tentang siapa yang dibunuh itu, kecuali mengikuti persangkaan belaka, mereka tidak (pula) yakin bahwa yang mereka bunuh itu adalah 'Isa. Melayu 157: Dan juga (disebabkan) dakwaan mereka dengan mengatakan: Sesungguhnya kami telah membunuh Al-Masih Isa Ibni Mariam, Rasul Allah. Padahal mereka tidak membunuhnya dan tidak memalangnya (di kayu palang salib), tetapi diserupakan bagi mereka (orang yang mereka bunuh itu seperti Nabi Isa) dan Sesungguhnya orang-orang yang telah berselisih faham, mengenai Nabi Isa, sebenarnya mereka berada dalam keadaan syak (ragu-ragu) tentang menentukan (pembunuhannya). Tiada sesuatu pengetahuan pun bagi mereka mengenainya selain daripada mengikut sangkaan semata-mata dan mereka tidak membunuhnya dengan yakin. German 157: "und wegen ihrer Rede: ""Wir haben den Messias, Jesus, den Sohn der Maria, den Gesandten Allahs, getötet"", während sie ihn doch weder erschlagen noch gekreuzigt hatten, sondern dies wurde ihnen nur vorgetäuscht; und jene, die in dieser Sache uneins sind, sind wahrlich im Zweifel darüber; sie haben keine Kenntnis davon, sondern folgen nur einer Vermutung; und sie haben ihn nicht mit Gewißheit getötet. Russian 157: и сказали: «Воистину, мы убили Мессию Ису (Иисуса), сына Марьям (Марии), посланника Аллаха». Однако они не убили его и не распяли, а это только показалось им. Те, которые препираются по этому поводу, пребывают в сомнении и ничего не ведают об этом, а лишь следуют предположениям. Они действительно не убивали его (или не убивали его с уверенностью). Bosnian 157: i zbog riječi njihovih: “Mi smo ubili Mesiha, Isaa, sina Merjemina, Allahova poslanika!” A nisu ga ni ubili ni raspeli, već im se pričinilo. Oni koji su se o njemu u mišljenju razilazili, oni su sami o tome u sumnji bili; o tome nisu ništa pouzdano znali, samo su nagađali; a sigurno je da ga nisu ubili, Urdu 157: اور ان کے اس کہنے پر کہ ہم نے مسیح عیسیٰ مریم کے بیٹے کو قتل کیا جو الله کا رسول تھا حالانکہ انہوں نے نہ اسے قتل کیا اور نہ سولی پر چڑھایا لیکن ان کو اشتباہ ہو گیا اورجن لوگوں نے اس کے بارے میں اختلاف کیا ہے وہ بھی دراصل شک میں مبتلا ہیں ان کے پا س بھی اس معاملہ میں کوئی یقین نہیں ہے محض گمان ہی کی پیروی ہے انہوں نے یقیناً مسیح کو قتل نہیں کیا -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 158 بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَكَانَ اللّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا Transliteration 158: Bal rafaAAahu Allahu ilayhi wakana Allahu AAazeezan hakeeman Yusuf Ali 158: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- Shakir 158: Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. Pickthal 158: But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. M. Khan 158: But Allah raised him (Iesa (Jesus)) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise. French 158: mais Allah l'a élevé vers Lui. Et Allah est Puissant et Sage. Spanish 158: sino que Alá lo elevó a Sí. Alá es poderoso, sabio. Indonesian 158: Tetapi (yang sebenarnya), Allah telah mengangkat 'Isa kepada-Nya . Dan adalah Allah Maha Perkasa lagi Maha Bijaksana. Melayu 158: Bahkan Allah telah mengangkat Nabi Isa kepadaNya dan adalah Allah Maha Kuasa, lagi Maha Bijaksana. German 158: "Vielmehr hat Allah ihn zu Sich emporgehoben, und Allah ist Allmächtig, Allweise. Russian 158: О нет! Это Аллах вознес его к Себе, ведь Аллах – Могущественный, Мудрый. Bosnian 158: već ga je Allah uzdigao Sebi. - A Allah je silan i mudar. Urdu 158: بلکہ اسے الله نے اپنی طرف اٹھا لیا اور الله زبردست حکمت والا ہے ((but they killed him not, nor crucified him)) Approve from the Bible : In :(Matthew 12:39-40) JESUS HAD HIMSELF FORETOLD THAT HIS MIRACLE WILL BE THE MIRACLE OF JONAH! According to the Book of Jonah, Jonah was ALIVE, when we expected him to be DEAD; similarly when we expect Jesus to be DEAD, he should be ALIVE! |
| Apple Pie |
| How is it that Muslims base an entire theology around one mis-interpreted ayah...? :shock: |
| outworldish |
Who made you the master of interpretation anyway? |
| Apple Pie |
What Arabic word is troubling you...? |
| outworldish |
how do u pronounce jackass in arabic |
| Apple Pie |
الله |
| outworldish |
Ladies and gentleman I introduce to you Apple Pie. How tolerable he is. |
| Apple Pie |
| If you don't like the answers....then don't ask the questions... :D |
| outworldish |
Its not about my liking of disliking your answers..... Its finally clear how respectful you are towards others beliefs. |
| Apple Pie |
Your personal reply the other day states otherwise...
Get a grip... |
| outworldish |
Still , I never cursed your religion or the one you worship, matter of fact i have a great deal of respect for the prophet jesus. and i still do wish for you to burn in hell, plus but you don't need my wish to end up there. |
| Apple Pie |
As well you should have great respect for Jesus Christ, as He is stated as being God Almighty in your book of faith.
With what god are you making this wish...? The god "allah"? :lol: |
| outworldish |
It doesnt matter to me what you call him, My lord is Allah , Who begets none nor is he begotten, The one you just cursed. |
| Apple Pie |
Would this be the "allah" as described within the pages of the Koran? :wink: |
| outworldish |
No matter what you say anymore, you will always be the one that cursed our faith |
| Apple Pie |
Why are you ashamed to admit that you worship the "allah" as described within the pages of the Koran...? |
| hifriend223 |
| 158 [color=red]بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَكَانَ اللّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا [/color] Transliteration 158: [color=red]Bal rafaAAahu Allahu ilayhi wakana Allahu AAazeezan hakeeman [/color] Yusuf Ali 158: [color=red]Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-[/color] Shakir 158: Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. Pickthal 158: But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. M. Khan 158: But Allah raised him (Iesa (Jesus)) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise. French 158: mais Allah l'a élevé vers Lui. Et Allah est Puissant et Sage. Spanish 158: sino que Alá lo elevó a Sí. Alá es poderoso, sabio. Indonesian 158: Tetapi (yang sebenarnya), Allah telah mengangkat 'Isa kepada-Nya . Dan adalah Allah Maha Perkasa lagi Maha Bijaksana. Melayu 158: Bahkan Allah telah mengangkat Nabi Isa kepadaNya dan adalah Allah Maha Kuasa, lagi Maha Bijaksana. German 158: "Vielmehr hat Allah ihn zu Sich emporgehoben, und Allah ist Allmächtig, Allweise. Russian 158: О нет! Это Аллах вознес его к Себе, ведь Аллах – Могущественный, Мудрый. Bosnian 158: već ga je Allah uzdigao Sebi. - A Allah je silan i mudar. Urdu 158: بلکہ اسے الله نے اپنی طرف اٹھا لیا اور الله زبردست حکمت والا ہے [color=red] ((but they killed him not, nor crucified him)) Approve from the Bible : [/color] In :(Matthew 12:39-40) [color=red]JESUS HAD HIMSELF FORETOLD THAT HIS MIRACLE WILL BE THE MIRACLE OF JONAH! According to the Book of Jonah, Jonah was ALIVE, when we expected him to be DEAD; similarly when we expect Jesus to be DEAD, he should be ALIVE![/color] |
| Apple Pie |
Show us the word "taken" in German. |
| outworldish |
| hifriend223, dont waste your time with this sick psychopath |
| Apple Pie |
Why are you ashamed to admit that you worship the "allah" as described within the pages of the Koran...? |
| hifriend223 |
| ((but they killed him not, nor crucified him)) Approve from the Bible : In :(Matthew 12:39-40) JESUS HAD HIMSELF FORETOLD THAT HIS MIRACLE WILL BE THE MIRACLE OF JONAH! According to the Book of Jonah, Jonah was ALIVE, when we expected him to be DEAD; similarly when we expect Jesus to be DEAD, he should be ALIVE! [color=red]This is the Heading of this Subject we want Explication for :(Matthew 12:39-40)[/color] |
| Apple Pie |
Looks like you forgot to read these verses... John relays his eyewitness account as to the physical location in which Jesus’ body was pierced while upon the Cross… [color=blue]ηλθον ουν οι στρατιωται και του μεν πρωτου κατεαξαν τα σκελη και του αλλου του συσταυρωθεντος αυτω επι δε τον ιησουν ελθοντες ως ειδον ηδη αυτον τεθνηκοτα ου κατεαξαν αυτου τα σκελη αλλ εις των στρατιωτων λογχη αυτου την πλευραν ενυξεν και εξηλθεν ευθυς αιμα και υδωρ erchomai oun ho stratiotes kai ho men protos katagnumi ho skelos kai ho allos ho sustauroo autos epi de ho Iesous erchomai hos eido ede autos thnesko ou katagnumi autos ho skelos alla heis ho stratiotes logche autos ho pleura nusso kai exerchomai eutheos haima kai hudor Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other crucified with Him . But on coming to Jesus, when they saw He was dead already , they did not break His legs. But one of the soldiers spear pierced His side, and at once blood and water came out . (John 19.32 – 34) [/color] John records that a soldier’s spear pierced (nusso) Jesus’ side (pleura). Defining the key term… [color=blue]πλευραν[/color] = “pleura” “pleura” definition: Strong’s #G4125. Accusative, singular, feminine noun of uncertain affinity; a rib , that is, (by extension) side: - side. The side of the body. Side, mostly of the human body. [color=gray]References: A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Literature, 3rd edition (BDAG), Frederick William Danker, p. 824 The Complete Wordstudy Dictionary of the New Testament, Warren Baker, Warren Baker, based on the lexicons of Edward Robinson & John Parkhurst, p. 1173 The New Strong’s expanded exhaustive concordance of the Bible (red-letter edition), James Strong, LL.D., S.T.D., p. 203[/color] Thus, as confirmation that Jesus died upon the cross, we are told that Jesus was pierced, on His side, through the rib. This same scene is replayed in sura 86... :) |
| hifriend223 |
| [color=red]So (John 19.32 – 34) tell us that jesus die and (Matthew 12:39-40) tell us that Jesus did not die ; This is contradictions in the so-called Book of God !!![/color] :oops: many contradictions in Bible- Professor Apple pee i would like you to explain this to us as well : [color=red]Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?[/color] Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46) [color=red]Did Jesus say anything secretly?[/color] No. “I have said nothing secretly” (John 18:20) Yes. “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13: 1 0-11) [color=red]Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?[/color] On the cross (Mark 15:23) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14) [color=red]The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus? [/color] Yes (Mark 15:32) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43) [color=red]Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion? [/color] Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father” (John 20:17) [color=red]Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?[/color] After (Mark 14:12-17) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14) [color=red]Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?[/color] Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42) No. (John 12:27) [color=red]In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did ‘he move away from his disciples to pray?[/color] Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46) [color=red]Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?[/color] Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42) [color=red]What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?[/color] “Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47) “Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39) [color=red]When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? ” in what language did he speak?[/color] Hebrew: the words are “Eloi, Eloi …..“(Matthew 27:46) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi ….. “(Mark 15:34) [color=red]According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died? [/color] “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46) "It is finished" (John 19:30) [color=red]Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?[/color] Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices “so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus)” (Mark 16: 1) [color=red]At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?[/color] “Toward the dawn” (Matthew 28: 1) “When the sun had risen” (Mark 16:2) [color=red]What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?[/color] To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1) For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1) [color=red]When did the women buy the spices?[/color] After “the Sabbath was past” (Mark 16:1) Before the Sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.” Then, “on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment” (Luke 23:55 to 24:1) [color=red]A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?[/color] They saw that the stone was “Rolled back” (Mark 16:4) They found the stone “rolled away from the tomb” (Luke 24:2) They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb” (John 20:1) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6) [color=red]Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’ body? [/color] Yes. “A young man in a white robe” (Mark 16:5). “Two men ... in dazzling apparel” later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him” (John 20:2) [color=red]When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react? [/color] Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him “Teacher.” Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me...” (John 20:11 to 17) [color=red]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/color] |
| outworldish |
Apple Pee..... haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhahahahhaha :P :D :lol: |
| Apple Pie |
Thanks for agreeing that John confirms Jesus' death upon the cross. For the follower of islam, the proof is in their own Koran....as sura 86 also confirms that Jesus Christ was crucified until death upon the Cross... :wink: |
| outworldish |
| Apple pee , Apple pee , Jackass Apple peee Chickenshit, dickhead, pigfucker, assmunch all of that he can be Apple pee , Apple pee , Jackass Apple peee Idiot, Dipshit, Asswipe, Bullshit as long as he will breath |
| Apple Pie |
| Religion of peace...lol... :lol: |
| hifriend223 |
| My quistion is clear its about : (Matthew 12:39-40) from the new testment (Bible) ; JESUS HAD HIMSELF FORETOLD THAT HIS MIRACLE WILL BE THE MIRACLE OF JONAH! According to the Book of Jonah, Jonah was ALIVE, when we expected him to be DEAD; similarly when we expect Jesus to be DEAD, he should be ALIVE! So the answer should be bout (Matthew 12:39-40) !!! |
| Apple Pie |
Why don't you post the Biblical context for us...especially since you must believe this part of the Holy Bible to be correct and true... Meanwhile...gnaw on this ayah from your book of faith....of which, you probably believe is completely true... يخرج من بين الصلب والترائب Yakhruju min bayni alssulbi waalttara-ibi 86.7 He emerges from amidst the Cross and the grave. |
| hifriend223 |
| For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" Matthew 12:39-40 What means : [color=red]((He did not die)) [/color] Allah says: "And when Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take you and lift you up to Me, and purify you of those who disbelieve, and will make those who followed you above those who disbelieved until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me shall you all return, and I shall judge between you in that which you dispute.’" (3:55) Then He said in Surat An-Nisa': "For their breaking the covenant, and their disbelief in Allah ’s Signs, and their slaying the Prophets unjustly, and for their saying: 'Our hearts are impermeable'. No, but Allah has set a seal upon them for their blasphemy, so little it is what they believe. And for their rejection to the Faith, and for their uttering against Mary a monstrous lie." (4:155,156) "And for their saying (in boast): 'We killed Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah'; but they killed him not nor crucified him. Only a likeness of that was shown to them. And those who differ therein are full of doubt with no certain knowledge, but only follow mere conjecture, for of a surety they killed him not. But Allah lifted him up to Him, and Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. And there is none of the people of the Book, but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Judgment, he will be a witness against them." (4:157-159) These Verses tell us that Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was lifted up to the heaven [color=red]((but they killed him not, nor crucified him))[/color] |
| outworldish |
you are judging a religion according to an individuals actions, very intellecual indeed. |
| Apple Pie |
Even your own koran states that Jesus was resurrected on the third day... |
| BMZ |
lol! Brother Apple_Pie is a hardcore Christian evangelist. :) Haven't you come across A_P at other sites? Salaams BMZ |
| BMZ |
lol! Again? Told you beofre that Jesus is not semen or a woman's cum which results from the interaction between Sulb and Taraaib, male and female. Sulb is not Saleeb. Taraaib is not grave. :lol: BMZ |
| BMZ |
Please show us where does Qur'aan say that? The man, according to Qur'aan was never dead at all in the first place. According to your own gospels, the man stayed hardly 36 hours in the tomb. Jonah, on the other hand, lived three days and three nights in the belly of the fish. :lol: BMZ |
| Apple Pie |
Sura 89...
According to the koran, Jesus is God. |
| hifriend223 |
| Apple pie you are zero in the Arabic language :( At-Tariq | 17 verses | The morning star سورة الطارق Sura #86 | Makkah [At-Tariq: 5-7] قال تعالى: (فلينظر الانسان مم خلق، خلق من ماء دافق، [color=red]يخرج من بين الصلب والترائب[/color] )الطارق/ 5-7 "So let man reflect, from what he is created. He is created from a gushing fluid, [color=red]that is issued from between the loins and ribs[/color]." [At-Tariq: 5-7] “So let man consider what he is created of. He is created of fluid pouring forth, [color=red]coming from between the back and the ribs[/color]." [At-Tariq: 5-7] 5 فَلْيَنظُرِ الْإِنسَانُ مِمَّ خُلِقَ Transliteration 5: Falyanthuri alinsanu mimma khuliqa Yusuf Ali 5: Now let man but think from what he is created! Shakir 5: So let man consider of what he is created: Pickthal 5: So let man consider from what he is created. M. Khan 5: So let man see from what he is created! French 5: Que l'homme considère donc de quoi il a été créé. Spanish 5: ¡Que considere el hombre de qué ha sido creado! Indonesian 5: Maka hendaklah manusia memperhatikan dari apakah dia diciptakan? Melayu 5: (Setelah mengetahui yang demikian), maka hendaklah manusia memikirkan: Dari apa dia diciptakan. German 5: Darum soll der Mensch denn bedenken, woraus er erschaffen ist! Russian 5: Пусть посмотрит человек, из чего он создан. Bosnian 5: Nek čovjek pogleda od čega je stvoren! Urdu 5: پس انسان کو دیکھنا چاہیے کہ وہ کس چیز سے پیدا کیا گیا ہے -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6 خُلِقَ مِن مَّاءٍ دَافِقٍ Transliteration 6: Khuliqa min main dafiqin Yusuf Ali 6: He is created from a drop emitted- Shakir 6: He is created of water pouring forth, Pickthal 6: He is created from a gushing fluid M. Khan 6: He is created from a water gushing forth French 6: Il a été créé d'une giclée d'eau Spanish 6: Ha sido creado de un líquido fluente, Indonesian 6: Dia diciptakan dari air yang terpancar, Melayu 6: Dia diciptakan dari air (mani) yang memancut (ke dalam rahim); German 6: Erschaffen wurde er aus einer herausschießenden Flüssigkeit, Russian 6: Он создан из изливающейся жидкости, Bosnian 6: Stvoren je od tekućine koja se izbaci, Urdu 6: ایک اچھلتے ہوئے پانی سے پیدا کیا گیا ہے -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [color=red]7 يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَائِبِ [/color] Transliteration 7: [color=red]Yakhruju min bayni alssulbi waalttaraibi [/color] Yusuf Ali 7: [color=red]Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs[/color]: Shakir 7: [color=red]Coming from between the back and the ribs[/color]. Pickthal 7: [color=red]That issued from between the loins and ribs[/color]. M. Khan 7: [color=red]Proceeding from between the back-bone and the ribs[/color], French 7: sortie d'entre les lombes et les còtes. Spanish 7: que sale de entre los riñones y las costillas. Indonesian 7: yang keluar dari antara tulang sulbi dan tulang dada. Melayu 7: Yang keluar dari "tulang sulbi" lelaki dan "tulang dada" perempuan. German 7: die zwischen den Lenden und den Rippen hervorkommt. Russian 7: которая выходит между чреслами и грудными костями. Bosnian 7: koja između kičme i grudi izlazi, Urdu 7: جو پیٹھ اور سینے کی ہڈیوں کے درمیان سے نکلتا ہے -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Let's start with this one... Jesus, the Life Giver Jesus speaks regarding His Glorification upon the Cross… [color=blue]ταυτα ελαλησεν ιησους και επαρας τους οφθαλμους αυτου εις τον ουρανον ειπεν πατερ εληλυθεν η ωρα δοξασον σου τον υιον ινα ο υιος δοξαση σε καθως εδωκας αυτω εξουσιαν πασης σαρκος ινα παν ο δεδωκας αυτω δωσει αυτοις ζωην αιωνιον αυτη δε εστιν η αιωνιος ζωη ινα γινωσκωσιν σε τον μονον αληθινον θεον και ον απεστειλας ιησουν χριστον tauta laleo Iesous kai epairo ho ophthalmos autos eis ho ouranos epo pater erchomai ho hora doxazo sou ho huios hina ho huios doxazo se kathos didomi autos exousia pas sarx hina pas hos didomi autos didomi autos zoe aionios houtos de esti ho aionios zoe hina ginosko se ho monos alethinos theos kai hos apostello Iesous Christos Jesus spoke these things and lifted up His eyes to Heaven saying Father, the hour has come. Glorify this Your Son, that the Son may also glorify You, as You gave to Him authority over all flesh , so that to all which You gave to Him, He may give to them everlasting life. And this is everlasting life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. (John 17.1 – 3) [/color] This monumental proclamation by Jesus states that He, alone (autos), has authority over all flesh, and that He is the singular giver (didomi) of eternal life. Jesus, all through the Gospel of John, proclaims that He (The Son) gives everlasting life to those who believe in Him. Jesus refers to Theos as the only true singular God. Observe that Jesus includes Himself with the singular Theos via the singular masculine adjectives “monos” and “alethinos”. [color=blue]εν δε τη εσχατη ημερα τη μεγαλη της εορτης ειστηκει ο ιησους και εκραξεν λεγων εαν τις διψα ερχεσθω προς με και πινετω ο πιστευων εις εμε καθως ειπεν η γραφη ποταμοι εκ της κοιλιας αυτου ρευσουσιν υδατος ζωντος τουτο δε ειπεν περι του πνευματος ου εμελλον λαμβανειν οι πιστευσαντες εις αυτον ουπω γαρ ην πνευμα οτι ιησους ουπω εδοξασθη en de ho eschatos hemera ho megas ho heorte histemi ho iesous kai krazo lego ean tis dipsao erchomai pros me kai pino ho pisteuo eis ego kathos lego ho graphe potamos ek ho koilia autos rheo hudor zao houtos de lego peri ho pneuma hos mello lambano ho pisteuo eis autos oupo gar eimi pneuma hoti iesous oudepo doxazo And in the last day of the great feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. The one believing into Me, as the Scripture said, Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But He said this concerning the Spirit, whom the ones believing into Him were about to receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. (John 7.37 – 39) [/color] Observing the key term… [color=blue]κοιλιας[/color] = “koilia” “koilia” definition: Strong’s #G2836. Feminine noun. The inward part, the inner man , similar to the breast, the h eart as we speak of it in English. Stands metaphorically for the innermost part of man, the soul, the heart , seat of thought, feeling, choice. Seat of inward life, of feelings and desires, belly (but English prefers the functional equivalent, heart). Denotes the hidden, innermost recesses of the human body. A cavity, i.e. the abdomen; by implication the matrix; figuratively the heart; belly. The belly of man, the bowels, as the receptacle of food, meaning the stomach, either in man or animals. From koilos (hollow); in its broadest sense the cavity of the body that stores such organs as the stomach, intestines, and womb, then in reference to such parts. [color=gray]References: Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT), Gerhard Kittel, Gerhard Friedrich, & Geoffrey W. Bromiley, volume three, pp. 786 – 789; 446 A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Literature, 3rd edition (BDAG), Frederick William Danker, pp. 550 - 551 The Complete Wordstudy Dictionary of the New Testament, Warren Baker, Warren Baker, based on the lexicons of Edward Robinson & John Parkhurst, p. 872 The New Strong’s expanded exhaustive concordance of the Bible (red-letter edition), James Strong, LL.D., S.T.D., p. 141[/color] In these verses, Jesus has revealed to all humanity that the inner man, the soul, the heart (koilia) of the ones believing into Him, shall receive the Holy Spirit, which will flow as rivers of living water. As these verses proclaim, this gift to all humanity is about to be given through Jesus Christ upon His death on the Cross, and subsequent Resurrection. Compare to 86.5… [color=black]فلينظر الإنسن مم خلق Falyanthuri al-insanu mimma khuliqa 86.5 So, the human looks upon that which was created the inner man .[/color] This ayah initiates with the conjunctive particle… [color=black]ف[/color] = “fa” “fa” definition: A prefixed inseparable conjunction particle having conjunctive power. A particle of classification or gradation which sometimes unites single words, indicating that the objects enumerated immediately succeed or are closely behind one another; but more usually connects two clauses, showing either that the latter is immediately subsequent to the former in time, or that it is connected with it by some internal link, such as that of cause and effect. It implies a close connection between the sentences before and after it. This connection may be either definite cause and effect or a natural sequence of events signifying; And, Then; For; Therefore; So that; So; In order that; In that case; In consequence; Afterwards; At least; Lest; Because; For fear of; Truly, After, By; But; Thus; Consequently; In order to. It is also expletive, and a prefix to other particles. [color=gray]References: An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume six, pp. 2321 – 2323 A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 1, pp. 290 - 291 The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 414[/color] Connecting… [color=black]لينظر[/color] = “lyanthuri” “lyanthuri” definition: Imperfect tense, 3rd person, masculine singular. Looks at. [color=black]فلينظر[/color] = “fa” + “lyanthuri” = “falyanthuri” = so looks at It comes from the root “nazara” (nun-za-ra), which means he looked at, or towards, in order to see, him , or it; he considered, or viewed, him , or it with his eye; with the sight of the eye; i.e. looked at him , or it. To look, behold; to look on, look at; to look for, expect. To see, look at, gaze, observe, behold, consider, regard, listen to, be patient towards, wait, contemplate, grant respite, put off, scrutinize, show kindness, examine, search, reflect upon, meditate, reflect. [color=gray]References: An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, pp. 2810 - 2813 The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 568 A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 148 Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, p. 196[/color] Occurrences of “falyanthuri” in the Koran: 4 Locations: 18.19, 22.15, 80.24, 86.5 Observing one of these Koranic occurrences of “falyanthuri” outside of 86.5… [color=black] من كان يظن أن لن ينصره الله في الدنيا والاءخرة فليمدد بسبب إلى السماء ثم ليقطع فلينظر هل يذهبن كيده ما يغيظ Man kana yathunnu an lan yansurahu Allahu fee alddunya waal-akhirati falyamdud bisababin ila alssama-i thumma liyaqtaAA falyanthur hal yuthhibanna kayduhu ma yagheethu 22.15 He who was he thinks that “allah”, he does not go on helping him in the present world and the hereafter, so should prolong on account of the way to the cloud, then he to cut, so (he) looks at ; does he certainly take away his arrangement that angered him? [/color] This ayah appears to have its origins in the Book of Revelation chapter fourteen, in which Jesus appears on a cloud and reaps His harvest of believers. Observe that we have yet another confirmation of Jesus being seen coming on a cloud. The next word informs us who does the seeing… [color=black]إنسن[/color] = “insanu” “insanu” definition: Collective noun. Mankind; human being . Sociable ness; companionableness; conversableness; inclination to company or converse; friendliness. A chosen, select, particular, or special friend or companion. A numerous company of men; many men. A tribe staying, residing, swelling, or abiding; the people of a place of alighting or abode. [color=black]الإنسن[/color] = “al” + “insanu” = “al-insanu” = the human It comes from the root “anisa” (alif-nun-siin), which means he was, or became, sociable, companionable, conversable, inclined to company or converse, friendly, amicable , or familiar, with him, or by means of him, and to him; to be familiar, polite, kind, social, have an intimate connection. [color=gray]References: An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 113 - 115 The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar pp. 35 - 36 A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 12 Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, p. 23[/color] Connecting what the human sees… [color=black]مم [/color] = “mimma” “mimma” definition: This particle is a combination of “min” & “ma”. “Min” is a preposition used for expressing starting point, part of a whole, origin as, from, of some, amongst. Determining time mood of action, as, no, upon , from, of. “Ma” is a conjunctive pronoun. That; Which, That which ; whatsoever; As; As much; In such a manner as; As much as; As far as; Any kind; When; How. [color=gray]Reference: The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar pp. 523 – 524, 542[/color] And finally, the event… [color=black]خلق[/color] = “khuliqa” “khuliqa” definition: Passive perfect, 3rd person, masculine singular. Was created . The moral character; or fashion of the inner man; i.e. his mind, or soul , and its peculiar qualities and attributes; the fashion of the outer man, and its peculiar qualities and attributes; it signifies also custom or habit (as being a second nature). It comes from the root “khalaqa” (kh-lam-qaf), which means the act of measuring; or determining the measure, proportion, or the like, of a thing; and the making a thing by measure, or according to the measure of another thing; or proportioning a thing to another thing. It signifies the bringing of a thing into existence according to a certain measure, or proportion, and so as to make it equal to another thing, or uniform therewith; or the originating or producing a thing after a pattern or model which one has devised, not after the similitude of anything pre-existing. As an act of God , it signifies the originating or bringing into being or existence anything not after the similitude of anything pre-existing; and the creating a thing; and thus it is generally best rendered; as meaning the bringing into existence from a state of no-existence. As an act of God , signifies the creating out of nothing. To measure, proportion, determine, fashion, create, form a thing, be firm, apt to a thing, behave kindly. [color=gray]References: An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume two, pp. 799 - 803 The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar pp. 163 - 164 A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, pp. 44- 45 Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, pp. 63 - 64[/color] Occurrences of “khuliqa” in the Koran: 4 Locations: 21.37, 70.19, 86.5, 86.6 Summary of 86.5: • In the Gospel of John, as Jesus prepares for His eminent crucifixion, He speaks regarding His Glorification upon the Cross • Jesus states that He, alone (autos), has authority over all flesh, and that He is the singular giver (didomi) of eternal life • Jesus, all through the Gospel of John, proclaims that He (The Son) gives everlasting life to those who believe in Him • Jesus refers to Theos as the only true singular God. Jesus also includes Himself with the singular Theos via the singular masculine adjectives “monos” and “alethinos” • As the sole giver of eternal life, Jesus reveals to all humanity that the inner man, the soul, the heart (koilia) of the ones believing into Him, shall receive the Holy Spirit, which will flow as rivers of living water • “Koilia” refers to the inner man - it stands metaphorically for the innermost part of man, the soul, the he art • This gift to all humanity is about to be given through Jesus Christ upon His death on the Cross, and subsequent Resurrection • Thus, Biblical scripture states: [color=blue] • Jesus is God • Jesus gives eternal Life • Jesus reveals the inner man [/color] • 86.5 initiates with the copulative particle “fa”, which indicates a close connection between the sentences before and after it; signifying either definite cause and effect or a natural sequence of events • Thus, we are told that the gathering of souls, by The Guardian, The Morning Star (i.e. Jesus Christ), as mentioned in 86.4, is intimately linked with what is about to be stated in 86.5 • “Fa” is inseparably connected to the imperfect tense “lyanthuri”, which means “looks at” • The root “nazara” further informs us what exactly is being “looked at” via the definition “ he looked at, or towards, in order to see, him , or it; he considered, or viewed, him , or it with his eye; with the sight of the eye; i.e. looked at him , or it.” • Thus, from the classic definition, a singular person is being viewed visually • Since the verb “lyanthuri” is in the imperfect tense, this tells us that this person is still being looked upon • Further, another instance of “falyanthuri”, outside of 86.5, appears to have its origins in the Book of Revelation chapter fourteen, in which Jesus appears on a cloud and reaps His harvest of believers - thus we have yet another confirmation of Jesus being seen coming on a cloud, as sura 86 has already amply confirmed • We are told that mankind is doing the viewing based upon the juxtaposed word “al-insanu” • The next revealing term used in this ayah is “mimma” which expresses a starting point, an origin • The final word tells us what is being originated, via the usage of the perfect tense “khuliqa” • “Khuliqa” means “was created”, and refers to “t he inner man; i.e. his mind, or soul ” - identically matching the Glorification of Jesus Christ as recorded in the Gospel of John • The root “khalaqa” sheds even more light by defining this creation as “the originating or producing a thing after a pattern or model” • Further, “khalaqa” is an act of God • The inner man is being initiated by an act of God – which implies that the Guardian, the Morning Star (i.e. Jesus Christ) is God • Thus, pulling these terms together, the completed action tense of “khuliqa” indicates to us an event that has already occurred in the past, involving “him”, as an act of God, and yet mankind is still viewing this event, even to this day, as a new starting point • Thus 86.5 states: [color=red] • Mankind is viewing Jesus Christ upon the Cross • The Cause is Jesus Christ • The Effect is the rebirth of mankind to everlasting life though His crucifixion • Jesus reveals the inner man [/color] • Observe also that sura 86 only repeats and paraphrases Biblical scripture in which the true Biblical God is proclaimed • Nowhere in the entirety of sura 86 do we have the god “allah” mentioned • Sura 86 only describes the deity attributes of the true Biblical God Jesus Christ |
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Jesus’ Crucifixion and death upon the Cross In the Gospel of John, we are given this eye witness account regarding Jesus’ crucifixion… [color=blue]ηλθον ουν οι στρατιωται και του μεν πρωτου κατεαξαν τα σκελη και του αλλου του συσταυρωθεντος αυτω επι δε τον ιησουν ελθοντες ως ειδον ηδη αυτον τεθνηκοτα ου κατεαξαν αυτου τα σκελη αλλ εις των στρατιωτων λογχη αυτου την πλευραν ενυξεν και εξηλθεν ευθυς αιμα και υδωρ erchomai oun ho stratiotes kai ho men protos katagnumi ho skelos kai ho allos ho sustauroo autos epi de ho Iesous erchomai hos eido ede autos thnesko ou katagnumi autos ho skelos alla heis ho stratiotes logche autos ho pleura nusso kai exerchomai eutheos haima kai hudor Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other crucified with Him . But on coming to Jesus, when they saw He was dead already , they did not break His legs. But one of the soldiers spear pierced His side, and at once blood and water came out . (John 19.32 – 34) [/color] John records that Jesus indeed died upon the cross. As confirmation of this, a soldier thrusts his spear into Jesus’ side, upon which blood (haima) and water ( hudor) came out at once (exerchomai eutheos)… In Revelation, John records this regarding Jesus’ crucifixion… [color=blue]και απο ιησου χριστου ο μαρτυς ο πιστος ο πρωτοτοκος των νεκρων και ο αρχων των βασιλεων της γης τω αγαπωντι ημας και λυσαντι ημας εκ των αμαρτιων [ημων] εν τω αιματι αυτου και εποιησεν ημας βασιλειαν ιερεις τω θεω και πατρι αυτου αυτω η δοξα και το κρατος εις τους αιωνας αμην ιδου ερχεται μετα των νεφελων και οψεται αυτον πας οφθαλμος και οιτινες αυτον εξεκεντησαν και κοψονται επ αυτον πασαι αι φυλαι της γης ναι αμην Kai apo iesous christos ho martus ho pistos ho prototokos ho nekros kai ho archon ho basileus ho ge ho agapao hemas kai louo hemas ek ho hamartia hemas en ho haima autos kai poieo hemas basileia hiereus ho theos kai pater autos autos ho doxa kai ho kratos eis ho aion ho aion amen idou erchomai meta ho nephele kai optanomai autos pas ophthalmos kai hostis autos ekkenteo kai kopto epi autos pas ho phule ho ge nai amen and from Jesus Christ the Witness, the Faithful, the First-born out of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. He, loving us, and washing us from our sins by His blood , and to make us a kingdom and priests to God, and His Father. To Him the glory and the might forever and ever. Amen. “Behold, He comes with the clouds," and "every eye will see Him, and the ones who pierced" Him , and all the tribes of the earth "will wail on account of Him." Yes, Amen. (Rev 1.5 - 7) [/color] These verses confirm Jesus’ piercing and death upon the Cross, subsequent Resurrection, and His forgiveness of our sins. Observe that Jesus’ forgiveness of our sins is likened to a liquid cleansing. We are told in these verses that only Jesus’ blood (haima autos) can wash (louo) us of our sins (hamartia). John’s eye witness informs us that this liquid cleansing involves both Water & Blood . Observe also that even though Jesus, Theos, and The Father are all mentioned separately, their action is singular via the usage of singular terms such as “autos” and “poieo” (to make), and it is this singular entity that receives the glory. Compare to 86.6… [color=black]خلق من ماء دافق Khuliqa min ma-in dafiqin 86.6 The inner man was created out of water pouring forth at once .[/color] This ayah initiates with the same term as 86.5 ended with, “khuliqa”. Following this, is the preposition… [color=black]من [/color]= “min” “min” definition: A preposition signifying origin, composition, explanation, commencement , or separation; in its ordinary acceptation, it is equivalent to: of, from, or out of ; or, when following a comparative, than; but it occasionally may be rendered: on, by, by reason of, some or a portion of, of the same kind as, after the manner of, etc. Used for expressing a starting point, part of a whole, origin as, from, of some amongst, of, from, on account of, [color=gray]References: A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 1, p. 280 - 282 The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 542 A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, pp. 140 - 141[/color] This preposition is tied to… [color=black]ماء[/color] = “ma-in” “ma-in” definition: Collective generic noun. Water ; sap of plants; juice; liquor. Luster (likened to water, and running water) of the teeth. The water of a sword. It comes from the root “maha” (miim-wa-ha), which means to hold much water, draw water; to be full of water (a well). Note from Wright: “In such, Arabic lexicons as are arranged according to the etymological principle, a verb is frequently given as the etymon of what are really primitive nouns, and a comparison of the meaning of the two shows that the former is, in fact, the derivative word. Thus “ma-in” is not derived from “maha”, to be full of water, which is given in the dictionaries as its root, but, conversely, “maha” is a denominative verb, formed from “ma-in” [color=gray]References: An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, p. 3025 A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 1, p. 106 The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 547 - 548 A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 142 Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, pp. 188 - 189[/color] Occurrences of “ma-in”, “alma-i” in the Koran: 52 Locations: 2.22, 2.74, 2.164, 4.43, 5.6, 6.99, 7.50, 7.57, 8.11, 11.7, 11.43, 11.44, 13.14, 13.17, 14.16, 14.32, 15.22, 16.10, 16.65, 20.53, 21.30, 22.5, 22.63, 23.18, 24.39, 24.45, 25.48, [color=blue] 25.54 [/color], 27.60, 28.23, 29.63, 30.24, 31.10, [color=blue] 32.8 [/color], 32.27, 35.27, 39.21, 41.39, 43.11, 47.15 (2x), 50.9, 54.12, 54.28, 56.68, 69.11, 72.16, [color=blue] 77.20 [/color], 77.27, 78.14, 80.25, 86.6 Observing the Koranic usages of the term… • 2.22…water from the clouds • 2.74…the water flows from rocks • 2.164…water from the clouds • 4.43…water for washing • 5.6…water for washing • 6.99…water from the clouds • 7.50…the water poured down • 7.57…the water descends • 8.11…water from the clouds • 11.7…the water beneath the throne • 11.43…the water of Noah • 11.44….the water of Noah • 13.14…the water to mouth • 13.17…water from the clouds • 14.16…water in hell • 14.32…water from the clouds • 15.22…water from the clouds • 16.10…water from the clouds • 16.65…water from the clouds • 20.53…water from the clouds • 21.30…the water for making all things • 22.5…the water poured • 22.63…water from the clouds • 23.18…water from the clouds • 24.39…water for drink • 24.45…animal creation from water • 25.48…water from the clouds [color=blue] • 25.54…Human creation from the water [/color] • 27.60…water from the clouds • 28.23…water for drink • 29.63…water from the clouds • 30.24…water from the clouds • 31.10…water from the clouds [color=blue] • 32.8…Human creation from water [/color] • 32.27…the water driven • 35.27…water from the clouds • 39.21…water from the clouds • 41.39…the water sent down • 43.11…water from the clouds • 47.15…water of Paradise and water of hell • 50.9…water from the clouds • 54.12…the water from the earth • 54.28…the water is divided • 56.68…the water to drink • 69.11…the water of Noah • 72.16…the water of Paradise [color=blue] • 77.20…Human creation from water [/color] • 77.27…water for drink • 78.14…water from the clouds • 80.25…the water of Paradise Only three other instances of human water creation exist outside of that found in sura 86. Water Creation Observing the three Koranic instances of Human creation via water , which exist outside of sura 86… [color=blue] 25.54 [/color] وهو الذي خلق من [color=blue] الماء [/color] بشرا فجعله نسبا وصهرا وكان ربك قديرا Wahuwa allathee khalaqa mina [color=blue] alma-i [/color] basharan fajaAAalahu nasaban wasihran wakana rabbuka qadeeran 25.54 And he, whom He created from [color=blue] the water [/color], a human being, so He made him kinship and marriage, and worthy of your Lord, possessor of power. This ayah informs us that human “creation” from water is intimately coupled with kinship (nasaban) and marriage (sihran). The classic definition of “nasaban” imparts to us a relationship with respect to a father. Its root “nasaba” imparts someone announcing his relat |