- Chocoholic wrote:
Sad to say that while there are people who're blood thirsty and wish hatred towards others for whatever reason there will always be conflict.
In my humble opinion, if you oppose peace between nations and encourage destruction, then YOU are part of the problem.
Want my opinion? You ARE the problem. (not you :P I mean the people opposing peace)
It all starts with intolerance, religious racism and of course the mother of all problems: ignorance.
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva (school of Talmud) in Nablus stated, "The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable."
The killing by a Jew of a non-Jew, i.e. a Palestinian, is considered essentially a good deed, and Jews should therefore have no compunction about it. Source: Yitzhak Ginsburg, "Five General Religious Duties Which Lie Behind the Act of the Saintly, Late Rabbi Baruch Goldstein, May his Blood be Avenged"
the Jews as evil demons???? ohhhh poor them :twisted:
Part of the problem is not the source of it
- Anlil wrote:
That is another myth, part of the brain wash that is going on, the Jewish and thier lovers trying to convince people that Hitler was going to kill gays gypsies, Asians Africans, Etc.
The fact is different; he actually had treaties with many countries that did not have blond hair and blue eyes. (Italians and Japanese were not Arians)
But we know well how many people trying to change history for the favor of the Jewish cause.
and some people Refuse to admit the source of the problem.
There is evidence that refutes many of these claims. That likely doesn't matter though. :lol: Some people try to change history to paint the Jews as evil demons to suit their own agendas. Some people refuse to admit that their own attitudes and biases are part of the problem.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=831
- kanelli wrote:
It is very frustrating to be a citizen of a country that stands by and watches all the atrocities. I sign petitions and write e-mails to government officials, but I still feel helpless. I'd march here but am afraid to do that in this country - wouldn't hesitate to do it and did do it in other countries. I give money for aid, but that doesn't stop the bombing or help influence the political situation at all.
I did all those things also. That is what you do when you live in a democracy. And I do think that 1 person makes a difference. Just in a democracy, the change takes a little longer.
- nostradamus wrote:
That is another myth, part of the brain wash that is going on, the Jewish and their lovers trying to convince people that Hitler was going to kill gays gypsies, Asians.
GET YOUR FACTS correct Hitler did exterminate a vast numbers of Gay’s Gypsies, Asians.
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excuse me did u read anything in the topic?? or at least did u read the title? first 2 lines are fine ... the rest is totaly out of context so please edit it :?
- Anlil wrote:
Kanelli,
I respect your view in the conflict; it is nice to call for peace,
But again, my view is different, I don’t think it is possible to make peace with those criminal murderers.
The sad thing is there are people like you on both sides, as such peace will never be achieved.
- I-No-Jack wrote:
- Corcovado wrote:
.. i dont think we are ready for peace. not now not ever ..cos there is so much to forgive and forgivness is the last thing on our minds...PLEASE watch the news.
The good thing is that while You may not be ready for peace there are millions who must be ready.
If israel, US, UK hate arabs/muslims, how come they are not bombing Dubai, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, egypt, indonisia, pakistan, etc. etc.? - Corcovado wrote:
i think its better for u to remain silent cos u have no idea whats going on... and if u think millions want peace with israel then ur wrong So WRONG
http://today.reuters.co.uk/tv/videostory.aspx?issummitstory=false&storyid=2d84221d81d258ebd2630f4620acd5d10208eb8f&wtmodloc=newsart-r3-relatednews-10
- kanelli wrote:
Just because they are not using equal firepower does not mean they are not equally responsible for the conflict itself. To make it seem that Hezbollah have been little angels for decades is ludicrous.
Decades? Um, well two decades.. Hezbollah has existed since the early 80's. You know why they exist, right? To protect themselves from a previous invader - Israel. (Who is saying that Hezbollah are angels? silly comment. But look at the facts, look at who have not been angels.) Israel was planning this re-invasion for years, the media and analysts have discussed it; Israel has not denied it, actually there is evidence out there to prove that this was planned. You're way, way behind on the news kanelli. Keep up will you.
When are you finally going to come out of your Zionist closet? You're not fooling anyone here....
- Nick81 wrote:
- murphy wrote:
did anybody else see that France have issued Israel with an ultimatum over its' attacks?
Unf. the big fat U.S of A have stuck their oar in and countered it already -
what 'cha gonna do?
Mind you, knowing a little about France' military history I don't know whether it is merely an empty threat......... (apologies to any Gallic readers)
where'd u see that? I know Russia and France condemned the attacks but didnt' read anything about any ultimatum - murphy wrote:
I was watching one of the news channels on satellite TV - they did not really elaborate though.
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- sharewadi wrote:
Not quite. I'm trying to find some numbers but I think it's something like a couple of thousand since the Intifada started.
Here's a couple of statistics
Middle East Policy Council
- Quote:
- From Sept. 29, 2000 to July 12, 2006:
Israeli Dead: 1013
Palestinian Dead: 4058
Palestine Red Crescent Society says 4,053 Palestinian deaths for about the same period.
Works out to about 2 a day. More or less depending on whether you include Israelis.
And I've just seen that the MEPC gets its figures from the PRCS so they're not exactly independent sources :oops: .
- Corcovado wrote:
everyday hundered and thousands of palestinians are being killed by Israel and the world stands still doing nothing about it. .....
- kanelli wrote:
Yeah, there are not hundreds and thousands of Palestinians killed every day by Israelis.
Not quite. I'm trying to find some numbers but I think it's something like a couple of thousand since the Intifada started.
- arniegang wrote:
did Hamas replace the PLO ??
Yes if you're talking about the PNA/PLC. They replaced Fatah (part of the PLO) as the majority party in elections January 2006. Mahmood Abbas is still PNA president though.
- murphy wrote:
Not following any religion per se, I do feel that living in London, we are being slowly conditioned through the media to the plight of the Israeli cause, which I think is unfair as we here don't really get to hear the side of the Muslim argument, except as the dead donkey article..
Unfortunately as Mr Blair has chosen to lie with Mr Bush, I dont see this changing any time soon.
I am watching the news at the moment and the gearing is very heavily sided to the Israeli cause. I cannot really take sides but I think the level of jewish representation is overblown (I have to whisper-type as I work in a very Jewish area)
Unfortunately the majority of main stram newspapers and news agencies are owned by a person who, I am told, has Jewish sympathies and once you control what people read............
It doesn't really help your frustrations I know but there are some of us in the Uk who have not been brainwashed yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:brave:
Understandable. Every media is doing everything in their power to make it look as if every single Lebanese is supporting Hezbollah.
- MS wrote:
If you mean leaders ..then me too man.
But I repeat, arab or non-arab has little to do with the situation. Remember, Salahuddin was not an arab!!
That happened in different time :). Its never gonna happen , not atleast in this life :0)
- HP wrote:
- raidah wrote:
- HP wrote:
Arab countries are faggots ,they have no power what so ever to stop any aggression. Israeli do whatever they want.
No matter what , no one has courage to invade Pakistan like this , we know how to defend :0). We dont have oil but we are not faggot either .
[color=red]Arabic countries shuld build or buy the atom bomb from Pakistan and stop living like a gay life.
geez...u must be in a very iluminated state of mind to write all this... - HP wrote:
I am very pissed off on these arab states . So u better stay away :wink: - raidah wrote:
u can be pissed on whomever u want HP, but what u just said is horrible. now here pretty much everybody knows ur specific sense of humor, so i doubt u meant what u wrote. but even so...the idea of an atomic bomb in itself is HORRIBLE. dont joke about it.
- Corcovado wrote:
everyday hundered and thousands of palestinians are being killed by Israel and the world stands still doing nothing about it. .....
Good thing you're not exaggerating a little.
If you want to talk about the world doing nothing, 2 days ago 200 people were killed in India and that is already off the news.
- Nick81 wrote:
They are a plague. With them around we will NEVER know peace in Lebanon.
Also, one more comment on this part. How do you want to acheive peace ? Throw away Hezbollah's weapons and then become a sheep like Egypt and Jordan and get peace ? Well here is a news flash for you this wont bring peace to lebanon but rather make it weaker against a war hungry neighbor.
The fighting began at about 9:00 A.M., when a group of reserve soldiers in two armored jeeps was conducting a routine patrol of the border. As the jeeps passed between Moshav Zarit and Moshav Shtula, Hezbollah attacked.
An initial inquiry revealed that the Hezbollah operatives had crossed the border earlier via a "dead zone" in the border fence not visible from any of the IDF lookout posts. There are dozens of similar "dead zones" along the northern border, though the IDF said that lookout cameras to cover this particular spot were due to be installed next week. The assailants may have used a wheeled ladder to climb over the fence.
The operatives hid themselves in an overgrown wadi about 200 meters on the Israeli side of the fence and waited until the IDF troops arrived, whereupon they attacked, apparently with a combination of explosives and antitank missiles.
Three soldiers were killed during the initial assault, while one soldier was seriously wounded, another lightly wounded and a third suffered a shrapnel scratch. In addition, the assailants kidnapped two soldiers, whose medical condition is unknown. According to the IDF, Hezbollah probably had an escape vehicle waiting on the other side of the fence. The entire incident took no more than 10 minutes, and the Israeli soldiers apparently never fired a shot.
- MaaaD wrote:
- Nick81 wrote:
They are a plague. With them around we will NEVER know peace in Lebanon.
Also, one more comment on this part. How do you want to acheive peace ? Throw away Hezbollah's weapons and then become a sheep like Egypt and Jordan and get peace ? Well here is a news flash for you this wont bring peace to lebanon but rather make it weaker against a war hungry neighbor. - Nick81 wrote:
Why are Egypt and Jordan sheep for trying to use diplomacy rather than arms to look after their people and their interests?
- MaaaD wrote:
Kanelli what you are saying is true if you want to treat Gaza and South Lebanon as two different entities which would server perfectly in the "divide and conquer" mentality that israel is employing in the region. However if you view Hezbollah's attack as a retaliation to the ongoing offensive in Gaza then you will see things from a different prespective. Last thing Israel wants is to see Hezbollah retaliate for something that happened in Gaza .. because look at the bad situation its put in right now and is acting like an out of control raging bull.
Also keep in mind Israel is still occupying part of south lebanon (albeit a small part) and Hezbollah has a legitimate reason to still be armed and fight for that part back.
I do agree with you about the part of controlling the militant groups, they have to be used strategically to show israel that the other side does have power but at the same time never add to the toll of killed innocent civilians. But in the past few weeks what we have seen has been an offensive by the militant groups on Israeli military and then a brutal offensive back on innocent civilians by the Israel, showing the world its true colors. But does the world care ?
Israelis/Jews are trying to carve out a homeland so that they won't have to face the kind of genocide that happened to them ever again. I believe that they will fight very hard for this and it makes them a formidable force. Their will is great and they cannot be underestimated. When they don't feel threatened they are likely to calm down and talk peace. The militant groups are threatening, and the international community is not doing enough to help solve this situation for both parties.
Hezbollah may sympathise with what is going on in Gaza, but all they have done with their retaliation raid and kidnap is indirectly murder innocent Lebanese. Let the Palestinians handle the Gaza issue - Hezbollah should not be dragging Lebanon into the fray by making a very unwise attack at the border. I'm sure there are bunch of men in Hezbollah with not much to do who are itching for some Iraeli ass-kicking, but look what their actions caused to the Lebanese people and the stability in the region!
Israel's recent heavy handed tactics aren't doing anything for stability in the region either - they are angering many people and are instigating retaliation attacks. If they were smart they would calm down. Everyone needs to calm down :!:
- kanelli wrote:
- MaaaD wrote:
- Nick81 wrote:
They are a plague. With them around we will NEVER know peace in Lebanon.
Also, one more comment on this part. How do you want to acheive peace ? Throw away Hezbollah's weapons and then become a sheep like Egypt and Jordan and get peace ? Well here is a news flash for you this wont bring peace to lebanon but rather make it weaker against a war hungry neighbor. - Nick81 wrote:
Why are Egypt and Jordan sheep for trying to use diplomacy rather than arms to look after their people and their interests? - MaaaD wrote:
Again Kanelli, i am looking at things from the context of Arab - Israeli conflict rather than each country on its own. And thats the only way peace can be acheived, because peace should be done between equal or almost equalt parties and i think with the military and economic strength of Israel right now, i would say the whole arab world in a united front could almost pass for equals while each country on its own is much less stronger and thus more vulnerable to give in to more compromises in peace negotiations. This is why Israel has been very keen on makeing sure they negotiate with each country seperatly and it pisses them off alot that Lebanon refuses to negotiate seperate from Syria.
- Mr & Mrs Inquirer wrote:
Militant groups have attacked Israel, and Israeli military were correct in their actions and they need to be use more of a brutal offensive and stop being sissies
That's pathetic and I presume you're just being a troll.
- MaaaD wrote:
i would say the whole arab world in a united front could almost pass for equals
Yes, and as a united front could probably force Israel to back off. But they haven't. Not now, not last year, not since the Intifada started, not during the civil war in Lebanon, and so on. So Hamas and Hezbollah claim they represent Arab interests? I don't think, despite their rhetoric, even they genuinely believe they do.
Egypt and Jordan have found a compromise with Israel. Not one that's acceptable to the likes of Hezbollah and Hamas, but there are millions of people in those two countries who aren't living in a state of war or a refugee camp.
Anyway, aren't Hezbollah Iranian/Syrian backed? They're hardly representative of Lebanon then?
It's not until both sides focus on finding a solution instead of justifying why they're right, that any progress towards peace will ever be made :( .
- Corcovado wrote:
everyday hundered and thousands of palestinians are being killed by Israel and the world stands still doing nothing about it... but when 1 israeli freaking soldier is kidnapped ...!!! the world goes crazy!!! why?? who decides that israelis are better human beings ?? who said that arabs deserve to be killed for no reason? its about time that we stand for our honor and defend our country ... NICK STOP being selfish and look at the bigger picture .... ARABS ALL OVER THE WORLD WAKE UP .....
Defend our country? The Lebanese are supposed to stand alone against Israel while all other countries are sitting with a thumb up their a$$es?
There is NO national unity in Lebanon. The politics in the country are a complete joke. The Hezbollah just took the decision to attack Israel ON THEIR OWN (or at Syria/Iran's orders of course) and WE have to pay for their decision. Ask your family if they're enjoying what they're going through in Lebanon now. Defend our country? HOW? We're just going to lose everything we did in the last few years. Think any of our Arab "brothers" will help us after this??? It's time to live in the real world.
ISRAEL IS GOING NOWHERE. IT'S NOT GOING TO VANISH INTO THIN AIR. Let's wait for what's going to happen in the next hours. They can take Beirut in a matter of hours. That's be real fun for everyone. Let's just hope that the idea of "fighting" Israel will get food on the table for everyone and ensure their safety.
- Corcovado wrote:
who decides that israelis are better human beings ?? who said that arabs deserve to be killed for no reason?
Some Israelis do.
Much like Hamas and Hezbollah decide that Israelis are less than human and deserve to be destroyed.
Arab nations tolerate Hamas/Hezbollah actions. Western nations tolerate Israeli actions. The Palestinians and now the Lebanese (again :( ) are caught between the two sides. The Palestinians by choice - they voted for Hamas. The Lebanese by tolerating Hezbollah presence.
Western nations will maintain that Israel has a right to exist. That won't change no matter how many Arab civilians are killed by Israel. So the conflict will continue until the West agrees that Israel should be destroyed (ha ha) or Hamas/Hezbollah agree that Israel has a right to exist (also ha ha).
So Israel will retaliate when their soldiers are killed or taken from what they consider to be Israeli territory, and the West will condemn their bombing of Beirut airport but tolerate it.
- mraph33 wrote:
- Corcovado wrote:
everyday hundered and thousands of palestinians are being killed by Israel and the world stands still doing nothing about it. .....
Good thing you're not exaggerating a little.
If you want to talk about the world doing nothing, 2 days ago 200 people were killed in India and that is already off the news. - Corcovado wrote:
Yeah, there are not hundreds and thousands of Palestinians killed every day by Israelis. It is really sad that the current story has pushed the Mumbai tragedy out of the news. Very sad that so many were killed. :cry:
- murphy wrote:
did anybody else see that France have issued Israel with an ultimatum over its' attacks?
Unf. the big fat U.S of A have stuck their oar in and countered it already -
what 'cha gonna do?
Mind you, knowing a little about France' military history I don't know whether it is merely an empty threat......... (apologies to any Gallic readers)
where'd u see that? I know Russia and France condemned the attacks but didnt' read anything about any ultimatum
- Corcovado wrote:
.... ARABS ALL OVER THE WORLD WAKE UP .....
yeah right
like that gonna happen
- DaveDXB wrote:
dont worry...just sing with me....
"Awimbawa awimbawa awimbawa....in the jungle..the mighty jungle...the lion sleeeeeps tonight......aweeeeeeeeeee wi wi wi wi wombambawaaaaay....
near the village....the peaceful village....the lion sleeeeps toniight.....
aweeeeeeeeeee wi wi wi wombambawaaaaaayyyyy"
:flower:
My dear, I think you've been out in the sun too long.
:roll:
- Lionheart wrote:
Isreal could do what it wants, because Arabs are weak, greedy, lazy bums who can't even stand up to punch of Zoinist mutherF***ckers. Where is Saud Arabia, Emirates, Kuwaite, Baharian, Jordan, Egypt, in condemming this aggression by the Zoinist. Is it only up to Syria and none Arab Iranian to defend whatever dignity Arabs had left. Arabs don't even have the balls to shut the Oil to the west...to protest against this naked aggression against soveriegn nation. Wallahi this not only sicking, but also cowards by Arabs especially in gulf.
i second that,
please dont blame the arab people but blame the frukin leaders, i am sure that if a war starts (and it will sooner or later) it will be the the general common muslim who will be on the front lines.
- xibit wrote:
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please dont blame the arab people but blame the frukin leaders, i am sure that if a war starts (and it will sooner or later) it will be the the general common muslim who will be on the front lines.
this logic is messed up, its the people who are putting up with those leaders and they wouldnt be in power if it wasnt for the people accepting the status quo, so stop blaming the leaders.
This blame cycle has been a disease in the Middle East, where the people always blame there leaders, and the leaders are blaming israel for all the messed up shiat that happening in here.
- arniegang wrote:
sorry to sound a thickie
did Hamas replace the PLO ??
Q: what is the PLO?????
A: nothin!!!!!!!
- MS wrote:
- arniegang wrote:
sorry to sound a thickie
did Hamas replace the PLO ??
Q: what is the PLO?????
A: nothin!!!!!!! - arniegang wrote:
MS i think arnie meant Fatah not PLO.
Arnie if thats what you meant, yes Hamas won the elections with a sweeping majority after the Palestinians were fed up by the corrupt, lazy, uneffective leadership of Fatah.
- SGMD1 wrote:
I hope no one is offended by this, but this conflict reminds me of the scene at the end of "The Rock" where General Hummel (Ed Harris) pulls his gun on one of his mercenary soldiers who turned against him, after which the other three soldiers in the room all pull their guns on each other. The situation didn't turn out well for anybody.
you must be following the situation on FOX buddy.
- HP wrote:
Arab countries are faggots ,they have no power what so ever to stop any aggression. Israeli do whatever they want.
No matter what , no one has courage to invade Pakistan like this , we know how to defend :0). We dont have oil but we are not faggot either .
Arabic countries shuld build or buy the atom bomb from Pakistan and stop living like a gay life.
geez...u must be in a very iluminated state of mind to write all this...
- HP wrote:
Arab countries are faggots ,they have no power what so ever to stop any aggression. Israeli do whatever they want.
No matter what , no one has courage to invade Pakistan like this , we know how to defend :0). We dont have oil but we are not faggot either .
Arabic countries shuld build or buy the atom bomb from Pakistan and stop living like a gay life.
I totally disagree....
Pakistan's Nuclear tech is for defensive purposes and is not for sale. PERIOD
If the Arab nations want to be strong, they need to unite like the Jews are. Only then will the Arabs succeed.
- raidah wrote:
- HP wrote:
Arab countries are faggots ,they have no power what so ever to stop any aggression. Israeli do whatever they want.
No matter what , no one has courage to invade Pakistan like this , we know how to defend :0). We dont have oil but we are not faggot either .
Arabic countries shuld build or buy the atom bomb from Pakistan and stop living like a gay life.
geez...u must be in a very iluminated state of mind to write all this... - HP wrote:
I am very pissed off on these arab states . So u better stay away :wink:
- raidah wrote:
u can be pissed on whomever u want HP, but what u just said is horrible. now here pretty much everybody knows ur specific sense of humor, so i doubt u meant what u wrote. but even so...the idea itself is HORRIBLE. dont joke about it.
How come ?
- MS wrote:
Lionheart, please stop. There is no need for this kind of attack.
Don't make some people on this forum (without mentioning names) sit back and laugh at us.
But its a the truth..Indians and their cousins Pakistanese lack corouge and heart..the their neighbors Afghans have.
- Lionheart wrote:
I have friend who lived in England with Indians and Pakistanese...he always tells me how 5 indians/Pakistanese would be chased by one or two black guys. How the only time Indians/Pakistanese stood for themself is when they are 20 against 2, while Afghans, Turks, Somals, Arabs were never intimidated by anyone.
:sign5:
Thats because we use our heads. :p
- Lionheart wrote:
I have friend who lived in England with Indians and Pakistanese...he always tells me how 5 indians/Pakistanese would be chased by one or two black guys. How the only time Indians/Pakistanese stood for themself is when they are 20 against 2, while Afghans, Turks, Somals, Arabs were never intimidated by anyone.
Thats why Afghans were kicked by US :) .
- Lionheart wrote:
- MS wrote:
Lionheart, please stop. There is no need for this kind of attack.
Don't make some people on this forum (without mentioning names) sit back and laugh at us.
But its a the truth..Indians and their cousins Pakistanese lack corouge and heart..the their neighbors Afghans have. - MS wrote:
U guys do not even have a country , now US is occupied and before osma ben laden had rented your country . U people r living like a refugee in entire world :)
- HP wrote:
- Lionheart wrote:
I have friend who lived in England with Indians and Pakistanese...he always tells me how 5 indians/Pakistanese would be chased by one or two black guys. How the only time Indians/Pakistanese stood for themself is when they are 20 against 2, while Afghans, Turks, Somals, Arabs were never intimidated by anyone.
Thats why Afghans were kicked by US :) . - Lionheart wrote:
Afghans are warriors who have been fighting for 20+ years... I have allot of respect for Afghans, but unfortunately I can't say the same thing about sell outs.
- HP wrote:
- Lionheart wrote:
- MS wrote:
Lionheart, please stop. There is no need for this kind of attack.
Don't make some people on this forum (without mentioning names) sit back and laugh at us.
But its a the truth..Indians and their cousins Pakistanese lack corouge and heart..the their neighbors Afghans have. - MS wrote:
U guys do not even have a country , now US is occupied and before osma ben laden had rented your country . U people r living like a refugee in entire world :) - Lionheart wrote:
I'm not an Afghan idiot. Afghans have more balls and pride than you and country man will ever have, so leave the brave brothers alone.
- Lionheart wrote:
Afghans are warriors who have been fighting for 20+ years... I have allot of respect for Afghans, but unfortunately I can't say the same thing about sell outs.
hahaha worriors ? the only people who have respect for afghans are hash smokers and junkies. They are fighting like dogs and in the dogs fights , only the dogs hurt each other . :P
wait i make the topic in fight club and we can have some nice fun ?
do u have access to fight club?
- Corcovado wrote:
everyday hundered and thousands of palestinians are being killed by Israel and the [color=red]world stands still doing nothing about it[/color]... but when 1 israeli freaking soldier is kidnapped ...!!! the world goes crazy!!! why?? who decides that israelis are better human beings ?? who said that arabs deserve to be killed for no reason? its about time that we stand for our honor and defend our country ... NICK STOP being selfish and look at the bigger picture .... ARABS ALL OVER THE WORLD WAKE UP .....
1. the world in this context is actually a relatively small number of economically, politically developed countries, that is the big powers. the rest of us can have an opinion, but nobody gives a shit about it.
2. politics r NEVER about telling the truth, being good or fair. we might think to know whats going on, but we dont, not one bit.
3. since i mentioned power, well holding the power has nothing to do with helping others. whenever they "help" , they actually help themselves into having more power, more influence, more money. the country that gets the "help" is always the one that fits into the political strategy of the helpers. one more reason to understand and believe that we have absolutely no idea why some decisions are made the way they are made.
4. if we wanna simplify it, these conflicts are like fights between 2 brothers. generally they r not twins, one is older, the other younger. if they want to solve it between them, the younger will win only if smarter.
now if a parent steps in, whatever desicion he will make, smbody will be unhappy about it and hold it against him.
PS: just think of all the posts in this forum, where ppl were saying americans should mind their own business instead of interfaring all the time and pose as peacemakers...
- Lionheart wrote:
I'm not an Afghan idiot. Afghans have more balls and pride than you and country man will ever have, so leave the brave brothers alone.
Thats why u sell the shells of fired missle to chiense in order to get some money :) . U r lion but without tail :P
now let me find ticket for london , have to go for one week at the end of this month as a part of summer :) [/b]
- HP wrote:
- Lionheart wrote:
Afghans are warriors who have been fighting for 20+ years... I have allot of respect for Afghans, but unfortunately I can't say the same thing about sell outs.
hahaha worriors ? the only people who have respect for afghans are hash smokers and junkies. They are fighting like dogs and in the dogs fights , only the dogs hurt each other . :P
wait i make the topic in fight club and we can have some nice fun ?
do u have access to fight club? - Lionheart wrote:
Like I said they have balls you and likes of you don't...Afghans are reliable warrior on the field, they have proven themself throughout History, whether it be against British imperlist 100+ years ago when they left one British soliders standing our of 100000...against Soviet who they fought bravely. They would have kicked Americans imperlist out, but lunatics like Bin Laden has divided them into Taliban and Others.
I have higher regards for Afghans than I do for Pakistanese and their Indian cousins.
- Lionheart wrote:
Like I said they have balls you and likes of you don't...Afghans are reliable warrior on the field, they have proven themself throughout History, whether it be against British imperlist 100+ years ago when they left one British soliders standing our of 100000...against Soviet who they fought bravely. They would have kicked Americans imperlist out, but lunatics like Bin Laden has divided them into Taliban and Others.
check the facts , its everyone ( e.g. US, Pak, UK) helped them against Russia. They got weapon and all training. They were stupid and everyone used them against Russia. We know that if ya give "Naswar (snuff) to Afghani ,they can fight without thinking :P .
Now US is occupied :P
- HP wrote:
- Lionheart wrote:
Like I said they have balls you and likes of you don't...Afghans are reliable warrior on the field, they have proven themself throughout History, whether it be against British imperlist 100+ years ago when they left one British soliders standing our of 100000...against Soviet who they fought bravely. They would have kicked Americans imperlist out, but lunatics like Bin Laden has divided them into Taliban and Others.
check the facts , its everyone ( e.g. US, Pak, UK) helped them against Russia. They got weapon and all training. They were stupid and everyone used them against Russia. We know that if ya give "Naswar (snuff) to Afghani ,they can fight without thinking :P .
Now US is occupied :P - Lionheart wrote:
Who payed with their, who fought...they did with the help of brave mujahadeens from all over muslims world.
- Lionheart wrote:
HP one thing is for sure Bin Laden is hiding in Afghanistan...because if he was hiding in Pakistane, they would have given him up soo fast for 25 million, hell they would have thrown their mothers and sisters for 25 million. :D :D
I am not gonna say anything about mother and sisters of ya , atleast we have respect for mothers .
- HP wrote:
- Lionheart wrote:
HP one thing is for sure Bin Laden is hiding in Afghanistan...because if he was hiding in Pakistane, they would have given him up soo fast for 25 million, hell they would have thrown their mothers and sisters for 25 million. :D :D
I am not gonna say anything about mother and sisters of ya , atleast we have respect for mothers . - Lionheart wrote:
I hust thought you loved money and power more than your mother and your family... anyway I apologize if you were offended by remarks.
- MaaaD wrote:
Just wanted to make a post away from the arguments and wanted to say lets keep those in Palestine, Lebanon, and Mumbai in your prayers (to whatever god it is you pray to ;) )
Quite. Best post in this (rapidly deteriorating now) topic.
- Lionheart wrote:
- HP wrote:
- Lionheart wrote:
HP one thing is for sure Bin Laden is hiding in Afghanistan...because if he was hiding in Pakistane, they would have given him up soo fast for 25 million, hell they would have thrown their mothers and sisters for 25 million. :D :D
I am not gonna say anything about mother and sisters of ya , atleast we have respect for mothers . - Lionheart wrote:
I hust thought you loved money and power more than your mother and your family... anyway I apologize if you were offended by remarks. - HP wrote:
country is also like mother , we can protect our own mother , but US is having the mother of afghanis :P
- bschmidt wrote:
PLEASE.... this thread was high level and objective in the beginning... and now??? There were contributions that were really worth reading on the first two pages and now this is ending like a typical Lionheart vs. Others hatred stupidity thread. :roll:
considering you have only 44 posts since last Oct - you are in no position to make comment with respect.
Instead of making comments on others, maybe you ought to contribute more, instead of being critical of others who take the time to post.
- arniegang wrote:
- bschmidt wrote:
PLEASE.... this thread was high level and objective in the beginning... and now??? There were contributions that were really worth reading on the first two pages and now this is ending like a typical Lionheart vs. Others hatred stupidity thread. :roll:
considering you have only 44 posts since last Oct - you are in no position to make comment with respect.
Instead of making comments on others, maybe you ought to contribute more, instead of being critical of others who take the time to post. - bschmidt wrote:
He is right though .... and credit to HP for offering to take it in to the fight club so the gloves could come off!!
- MaaaD wrote:
*sigh* .. HP and Lionhearts stupid argument is probably exactly what happens at summits where Muslim/Arab leaders meet. Personal attacks and stupid stereotypes. Thanks guys for showing us (by action) why we are in this sad state of affairs.
MaaD I have nothing but love for my friend Apu... :lol:
- arniegang wrote:
- bschmidt wrote:
PLEASE.... this thread was high level and objective in the beginning... and now??? There were contributions that were really worth reading on the first two pages and now this is ending like a typical Lionheart vs. Others hatred stupidity thread. :roll:
considering you have only 44 posts since last Oct - you are in no position to make comment with respect.
Instead of making comments on others, maybe you ought to contribute more, instead of being critical of others who take the time to post. - bschmidt wrote:
Astounding. I thought this was a discussion about Israel and Lebanon and that s/he made a valid point.
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- FAKESPIKE wrote:
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1) Please stick to thread title. It is easy to drift from topic. Keep in mind you will be warned once then the post will be deleted.
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding these rules? Some posts sounded off-topic and disrespectful to me :? . I thought that's what bschmidt (and ajb and MaaaD) referred to.
- ajb wrote:
He is right though .... and credit to HP for offering to take it in to the fight club so the gloves could come off!!
The topic title is Israel and Lebanon. How ironic if it ends up in the Fight Club. But appropriate I guess.
*sigh* is right.
- MS wrote:
Lionheart, please stop. There is no need for this kind of attack.
Don't make some people on this forum (without mentioning names) sit back and laugh at us.
How do you know that anyone is sitting back and laughing at "us", and who is "us" by the way? Just remember, assuming makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me". :roll:
Yet another thread deteriorates...
- Corcovado wrote:
Anyone watching the news???????? r u watching/??? my country is destroyed , we have no electricity , no water, no exits :cry: :cry: and why?? for two coward , cheap, f**king Israeli soldiers who were killing arabs all their lives :evil: :evil: :evil: It hurts to see humanity so rigid and that people dont give a damn about other human beings getting killed.... WAKE UP the world is turning ugly ... :evil: :evil: :evil:
If those 2 soldiers were not kidnapped by people in your country, none of this would have happened. Despite harshness of the Israeli response, this one they didn't start.
- mraph33 wrote:
- Corcovado wrote:
Anyone watching the news???????? r u watching/??? my country is destroyed , we have no electricity , no water, no exits :cry: :cry: and why?? for two coward , cheap, f**king Israeli soldiers who were killing arabs all their lives :evil: :evil: :evil: It hurts to see humanity so rigid and that people dont give a damn about other human beings getting killed.... WAKE UP the world is turning ugly ... :evil: :evil: :evil:
If those 2 soldiers were not kidnapped by people in your country, none of this would have happened. Despite harshness of the Israeli response, this one they didn't start. - Corcovado wrote:
really?? ok my dear obviously u have no idea what so ever about whats going on :evil: :evil: israel is stealing my country and its our right to defend it whenever we want :evil: :evil: :x so go and learn b4 being stupid and not knowing anything :evil: :evil: damn u
- Corcovado wrote:
- mraph33 wrote:
- Corcovado wrote:
Anyone watching the news???????? r u watching/??? my country is destroyed , we have no electricity , no water, no exits :cry: :cry: and why?? for two coward , cheap, f**king Israeli soldiers who were killing arabs all their lives :evil: :evil: :evil: It hurts to see humanity so rigid and that people dont give a damn about other human beings getting killed.... WAKE UP the world is turning ugly ... :evil: :evil: :evil:
If those 2 soldiers were not kidnapped by people in your country, none of this would have happened. Despite harshness of the Israeli response, this one they didn't start. - Corcovado wrote:
really?? ok my dear obviously u have no idea what so ever about whats going on :evil: :evil: israel is stealing my country and its our right to defend it whenever we want :evil: :evil: :x so go and learn b4 being stupid and not knowing anything :evil: :evil: damn u - mraph33 wrote:
Ok Corc, I am going to try and be as clear as I can right now.
Yes Israel is a big problem for all Arab countries. Its direct neighbours actually. The rest, as much as they bark, aren't lifting a finger to do somethng about it.
It's our right to defend it? Refer to my previous post about that.
To begin with there is NO "we" in what's happening in Lebanon. Do you think the population, the government KNEW about Hezbollah's plans before we got into this mess? No. Do you think Hezbollah's plan here is limited to "defending" our country and playing heroes? Anyone who trully believes that has obviously no clue whatsoever about what's going on in Lebanon, and Hezbollah's agenda. But I guess all is fine, our hotels are now empty, tourists have fleed. Where to? Well Syria of course. All their hotels are full now, at least for a few days. Jackpot.
Lebanon is still paying the price. Was that what you had in mind Corc when you mentioned it?
Everyone is going to profit from this, EVERYONE but us. When things calm down, Israel will STILL be here, Hezbollah will STILL be here, we will STILL have a crappy government, we will STILL be a broken dream. The only thing that will have changed is that the economy will have gone completely kaput again. But yeah, "WE" made a point right? "WE" kidnapped 2 soldiers, sacrificed a whole country without asking for anyone's opinion. We are trully a model for all other countries.
- Nick81 wrote:
Everyone is going to profit from this, EVERYONE but us. When things calm down, Israel will STILL be here, Hezbollah will STILL be here, we will STILL have a crappy government, we will STILL be a broken dream. The only thing that will have changed is that the economy will have gone completely kaput again.
Good point. And there are no surprises in the actions taken by Hezbollah or Israel.
The question is, why have a crack at the Lebanese economy, and why now? Things were going well there, tourism and economic growth, reconstruction of Beirut. Yes, Israel's reaction seemed grossly out of proportion to the provocation but they have a history of doing that. So why on earth did Hezbollah give them a poke like this? They know their enemy well enough to know that Israel would retaliate in this way.
- Mr & Mrs Inquirer wrote:
Israel's reaction seemed grossly out of proportion to the provocation. rubbish they need to know who the daddy is... Israel!
GO TO HELL :evil: :evil: :evil: DIE
- Corcovado wrote:
- mraph33 wrote:
- Corcovado wrote:
Anyone watching the news???????? r u watching/??? my country is destroyed , we have no electricity , no water, no exits :cry: :cry: and why?? for two coward , cheap, f**king Israeli soldiers who were killing arabs all their lives :evil: :evil: :evil: It hurts to see humanity so rigid and that people dont give a damn about other human beings getting killed.... WAKE UP the world is turning ugly ... :evil: :evil: :evil:
If those 2 soldiers were not kidnapped by people in your country, none of this would have happened. Despite harshness of the Israeli response, this one they didn't start. - Corcovado wrote:
really?? ok my dear obviously u have no idea what so ever about whats going on :evil: :evil: israel is stealing my country and its our right to defend it whenever we want :evil: :evil: :x so go and learn b4 being stupid and not knowing anything :evil: :evil: damn u - mraph33 wrote:
If your looking for the cause of your problems, you should be pointing your finger east and not south. The Syrians have been ruling your country for the last 20 years. But as usual, the Arab response is to blame Israel. And I'll ignore the personal insults....
- Mr & Mrs Inquirer wrote:
Israel's reaction seemed grossly out of proportion to the provocation. rubbish they need to know who the daddy is... Israel!
Israel's "don't fcuk with us" personality has certainly taken a beating in the past few years. So I guess they are using this opportunity to show everyone that they are the "Bad Boys of the Neighborhood."
- Corcovado wrote:
- mraph33 wrote:
- Corcovado wrote:
Anyone watching the news???????? r u watching/??? my country is destroyed , we have no electricity , no water, no exits :cry: :cry: and why?? for two coward , cheap, f**king Israeli soldiers who were killing arabs all their lives :evil: :evil: :evil: It hurts to see humanity so rigid and that people dont give a damn about other human beings getting killed.... WAKE UP the world is turning ugly ... :evil: :evil: :evil:
If those 2 soldiers were not kidnapped by people in your country, none of this would have happened. Despite harshness of the Israeli response, this one they didn't start. - Corcovado wrote:
really?? ok my dear obviously u have no idea what so ever about whats going on :evil: :evil: israel is stealing my country and its our right to defend it whenever we want :evil: :evil: :x so go and learn b4 being stupid and not knowing anything :evil: :evil: damn u - mraph33 wrote:
If your looking for the cause of your problems, you should be pointing your finger east and not south. The Syrians have been ruling your country for the last 20 years. But as usual, the Arab response is to blame Israel. And I'll ignore the personal insults....
- Mr & Mrs Inquirer wrote:
Israel's reaction seemed grossly out of proportion to the provocation. rubbish they need to know who the daddy is... Israel!
Israel's "don't fcuk with us" personality has certainly taken a beating in the past few years. So I guess they are using this opportunity to show everyone that they are the "Bad Boys of the Neighborhood."
- MaaaD wrote:
mraph can you not start this game of "you started it". I am not going back to history of 3000 years of who started it but lets just talk about recent history.
Hamas had a ceasefire with Israel, until the latter bombed that innocent family on a picnic on the beach in Gaza and then Hamas ended the ceasefire which eventually led to the capture of the soldier in Gaza and which brought over the insane reaction of the Israeli army in Gaza. That prompted Hizbollah to go ahead and capture two soldiers in the north and here we are today.
So do not buy in to the Israeli media ploy of oh we are the victims and got attacked first. It is a chain of events and not isolated events.
If Hizbollah did not kidnap and attack the soldiers, Israel would not have bombed - correct? Yes, Israel is being heavy handed, but Hizbollah are the ones that stuck their nose in. If you play with fire you will get burned.
- kanelli wrote:
If Hizbollah did not kidnap and attack the soldiers, Israel would not have bombed - correct? Yes, Israel is being heavy handed, but Hizbollah are the ones that stuck their nose in. If you play with fire you will get burned.
and if Israel didn't shell the beach in Gaza last month (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1794432,00.html) Hizbollah wouldn't have had to kindap the two soldiers.
- ajb wrote:
well from some of the news reports I read today to try get some idea of why it is all happening it seems that there are plenty of Lebonese prisoners who are being held in Israeli prisons for many years on end without trial .... sounds like a recipe for anger to be brought against you.
yes true AJB, there is around 10,000 people. Its called indefinite "Administrative Detention". No trial, no rights. Just Gutanamo style jails.
- Corcovado wrote:
thank u Maaad ....
No problemo ..
Corcs, i know this is a very emotional time for you. I am positive your family, friends and loved ones will be fine. I just dont think you should resort to personal attacks on people who have different opinions to yours. I would rather try my best to convey the "other side" of the story.
I am amazed how the international community at large is condoning this brutal attack, and equating the kidnap of two soldiers (who are almost certainly ALIVE) to the killing of so many innocent civilians, and damage to all this infrastrcuture. What a fucked up world we live in :?
- ajb wrote:
Corc's just ignore them their posts appear to usually be just to offend or cause trouble
Yes. Troll posts are intended to provoke, not contribute to a discussion.
Corcovado, it's difficult to read the other posts on this page because of your long line of EEEEs. Perhaps you could delete some of them?
- ajb wrote:
thanks Corc's .... living on this side of world we are brought up to believe the Middle east is an unstable place but we are never really educated as to why ..... I guess now Im moving to Dubai I have a new found interest to learn about the region its culture and conflicts .... so info is most appreciated
sadly it has been the center of the religious (Palestine) and economical (oil) conflict of the world and will continue to be so till either one power completely dominated the area. Or the people are empowered to control there own destiny.
respect the fact that you are seeking out information before making any judgements.
- MaaaD wrote:
mraph can you not start this game of "you started it". I am not going back to history of 3000 years of who started it but lets just talk about recent history.
Hamas had a ceasefire with Israel, until the latter bombed that innocent family on a picnic on the beach in Gaza and then Hamas ended the ceasefire which eventually led to the capture of the soldier in Gaza and which brought over the insane reaction of the Israeli army in Gaza. That prompted Hizbollah to go ahead and capture two soldiers in the north and here we are today.
So do not buy in to the Israeli media ploy of oh we are the victims and got attacked first. It is a chain of events and not isolated events.
I wasn't trying to simplify 3000 years in to 1 sentence. But the Israel/Lebanon border has been quiet until the Hizbollah capturing of Israeli soldiers there. Lebanon & Gaza are seperate places and Hamas & Hezbollah are seperate organizations.
- MaaaD wrote:
What is very interesting, the Gaza front has compeltely died out ? or is it just being under reported ???
Israel has pulled back from central Gaza but say they're still continuing operations elsewhere in Gaza. They carried out an air strike on the Palestinian foreign ministry on Wed. Abbas apparently held secret talks with Israel to find a way to end the Gaza crisis. I guess it's overshadowed by events in Lebanon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5179382.stm
- MaaaD wrote:
I am amazed how the international community at large is condoning this brutal attack,
Um, France and Russia condemned the attacks (presume you're talking about the Israeli ones). Qatar put forward a UN resolution which was supported by ten security council members, calling for a halt to the Israeli attacks. Surprisingly, it was vetoed by the US :shock: . But now Bush is saying he will press Israel to stop (I thought I just read that but can't find it again).
Hezbollah claimed they captured the two soldiers to put pressure on Israel to release Palestinian prisoners. I have to scratch my head and wonder where on earth Hezbollah get the idea that such an idea would work. I don't think even Yitzak Rabin would have held back from retaliating.
That's why I wonder if there's something else going on. This picture doesn't make sense on the face of it.
That's why I wonder if there's something else going on. This picture doesn't make sense on the face of it.
hezbulla got that idea , because they did before and it worked , and they proved that israel only surrender to force , that why they left lebanon in 1980-and 2000 ...
- Corcovado wrote:
hezbulla got that idea , because they did before and it worked , and they proved that israel only surrender to force , that why they left lebanon in 1980-and 2000 ...
Hezbollah was founded in 1982 so not sure how they forced Israel out in 1980. Anyway, Israel only partially withdrew in 1978 leaving behind the SLA to pester UNIFIL. And came back to hit Beirut in 1982. If Hezbollah is claiming that their use of force solves problems, it takes them a long time and costs a lot (1982 - 2000 to get Israel out, and 20,000 Arab lives lost in the meantime).
I don't really believe Hezbollah are an Israeli organisation but they do seem to be doing more for the Israelis than the Lebanese. There are far more Arab than Israeli lives lost while this conflict remains unresolved.
- Corcovado wrote:
obviously u forgot about the lebanese resistance before hizbullah ... when beirut was underfire and israel troops were inside the capital the resistance managed to kick them out and then back at 2000 hizbula kicked them out completely so voila 8)
Nobody kicked Israel out of Beirut... You're oversimplifying everything...
I am tired of explaining everything and besides this isn't the purpose of the topic. You can always check wiki or other good sources for FACTS about the Lebanese war, the Israeli invasion etc...
P.S: Just out of curiosity, what is this "resistance" in Beirut you speak of?
- Corcovado wrote:
lebanese resistance... communists.... Nick Remember U R LEBANESE
Yes I am. And proud to be one. Unfortunately patriotism is something that has been quite nonexistent in our country for a long long time. We are too busy joining parties, diving ourselves and fighting in the name of a clown.
Everyone has lost sight of the big picture, of our children's future. This is what I keep in mind when I watch the news now. This is what I see when I see the tourists fleeing, when I see Israel bombarding our cities, and the bearded fools barking in front of cameras that the rest of the country better side with them and not make any comments favorable to Israel.
I hope thar for once, there will a good conclusion, a justification for what happened. Let's hope we can force Hezbollah to disarm and start actually controlling South Lebanon and removing the influence of those Syria/Iran sell-outs.
- Nick81 wrote:
- Corcovado wrote:
obviously u forgot about the lebanese resistance before hizbullah ... when beirut was underfire and israel troops were inside the capital the resistance managed to kick them out and then back at 2000 hizbula kicked them out completely so voila 8)
Nobody kicked Israel out of Beirut... You're oversimplifying everything...
I am tired of explaining everything and besides this isn't the purpose of the topic. You can always check wiki or other good sources for FACTS about the Lebanese war, the Israeli invasion etc...
P.S: Just out of curiosity, what is this "resistance" in Beirut you speak of? - Corcovado wrote:
buddy wiki is written by some biased guy........isreal did face some casualities and secondly were fed up of controlling a land which gave em no use...(as resources) so they thought let's leave..........BTW this shows how UN is effective
- kanelli wrote:
- MS wrote:
Lionheart, please stop. There is no need for this kind of attack.
Don't make some people on this forum (without mentioning names) sit back and laugh at us.
How do you know that anyone is sitting back and laughing at "us", and who is "us" by the way? Just remember, assuming makes an "a#s" out of "u" and "me". :roll:
Yet another thread deteriorates... - MS wrote:
Are you sick? Did anybody mention you or step on your foot? And "Us" refers the people who where part of the discussion at that point in time. The discussion that turned out to be useless and childish and not worth participating in.
Did this calm you down?
- Nick81 wrote:
I hope thar for once, there will a good conclusion, a justification for what happened. Let's hope we can force Hezbollah to disarm and start actually controlling South Lebanon and removing the influence of those Syria/Iran sell-outs.
Yes, it's the Lebanese people who are coming off worst out of this particular episode. But if Hezbollah do get thrown out, it then removes any excuse Israel claims to have for interfering in South Lebanon.
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- Saudi Arabia Accuses Hizbullah of 'Uncalculated
Adventures'
In a significant move, Saudi Arabia, the Arab world's political heavyweight and economic powerhouse, accused Hizbullah -- without naming it -- of "uncalculated adventures" that could precipitate a new Middle East crisis.
A Saudi official quoted by the state Saudi Press Agency said Hizbullah's brazen capture of two Israeli soldiers was not legitimate.
The kingdom "clearly announces that there has to be a differentiation between legitimate resistance (to Israel) and uncalculated adventures."
Israel has intensified its attacks on Lebanon, striking bridges, airports and the main highway leading to Syria to put pressure on the government and force Hizbullah to free the two Israeli soldiers it captured Wednesday.
The Saudi official said Hizbullah's actions could lead to "an extremely serious situation which could subject all Arab nations and its achievements to destruction."
"The kingdom sees that it is time for those elements to alone shoulder the full responsibility for this irresponsible behavior and that the burden of ending the crisis falls on them alone."
Israel's attack on Lebanon is its heaviest offensive there in 24 years. Two days of Israeli bombings have killed 47 Lebanese and wounded 103. Two Israeli civilians and eight Israeli soldiers have also been killed, the military's highest death toll in four years.
Saudi Arabia's comments on the crisis came after most moderate Arab governments reacted with relative restraint to Israel's offensive in Lebanon, condemning attacks on civilians and infrastructure but also implicitly criticizing Hizbullah.
However, Iran and Syria, who back Hizbullah, voiced their support to the guerrilla on Thursday.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also warned Israel against extending its offensive in Lebanon to neighboring Syria and said such a move would equate to an attack against the Islamic world, the official Iranian news agency reported Friday.
The Iranian leader called on Muslim countries to create a united front against Israel.
"The Islamic world, especially countries in this region, need more unity and integrity, particularly in the context of Lebanon and Palestine," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying.
"The Islamic republic of Iran supports the case (for unity) with all its diplomatic capacity," he said.(AP)
- HP wrote:
Lion heart
u r quite emotional kid . where are u from ? if u have any country?
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- Hizaballoh and Hamas for standing for their people against naked aggression of Isreal.
GOLD
This is even more hilarious than the "mistress" post. "THEIR" people.
- Nick81 wrote:
Lionheart, jacka$$es like you have no business talking politics
And Sniper, forget Wiki, check ANY other GOOD source then. I LIVED The war, I researched every bit of it that I can't remember because I was a kid at the time so trust me, I know what I am talking about. It destroyed my country, corrupted and divided my fellow countrymen and we just can't stop paying the price.
Again, you want to question my attitude here, try to actually LEARN what really happened in the war, the role of each group/party in it and the role of big evil Israel. You will realize then, that it's not a matter of pointing at people saying who's on the good side and who's on the bad side. It's not that easy. This isn't Star Wars.
Nick..I always figured you to be jackass...But anyway Hizaballoh no matter how much you try to demonize them they liberated Lebenon from the Isreal occuppation back in 80's.
- Nick81 wrote:
- Quote:
- Hizaballoh and Hamas for standing for their people against naked aggression of Isreal.
GOLD
This is even more hilarious than the "mistress" post. "THEIR" people. - Hizaballoh and Hamas for standing for their people against naked aggression of Isreal.
Hamas was voted in by the people, while Hizaballoh has 23 elected officials representing them in the Lebanese parliament. The Hizaballoh like hamas has better welfare system than other government representative. Again like Hamas they are less corrupt than other elected officials.
- Lionheart wrote:
- Nick81 wrote:
Lionheart, jacka$$es like you have no business talking politics
And Sniper, forget Wiki, check ANY other GOOD source then. I LIVED The war, I researched every bit of it that I can't remember because I was a kid at the time so trust me, I know what I am talking about. It destroyed my country, corrupted and divided my fellow countrymen and we just can't stop paying the price.
Again, you want to question my attitude here, try to actually LEARN what really happened in the war, the role of each group/party in it and the role of big evil Israel. You will realize then, that it's not a matter of pointing at people saying who's on the good side and who's on the bad side. It's not that easy. This isn't Star Wars.
Nick..I always figured you to be jackass...But anyway Hizaballoh no matter how much you try to demonize them they liberated Lebenon from the Isreal occuppation back in 80's. - Nick81 wrote:
Last time I checked the calendar it was 2006 Einstein! Hezbollah's glory days are over, and have been so for a loooong time. You want to criticize KSA? Well take a good look at it and the Saudis. Then take a look at the Lebanese, paying the FEKIN price every FEKIN day because of a bunch of bearded jacka$$ses standing in front of Israel for "THEIR" people.
- Lionheart wrote:
- Nick81 wrote:
- Quote:
- Hizaballoh and Hamas for standing for their people against naked aggression of Isreal.
GOLD
This is even more hilarious than the "mistress" post. "THEIR" people. - Hizaballoh and Hamas for standing for their people against naked aggression of Isreal.
Hamas was voted in by the people, while Hizaballoh has 23 elected officials representing them in the Lebanese parliament. The Hizaballoh like hamas has better welfare system than other government representative. Again like Hamas they are less corrupt than other elected officials. - Nick81 wrote:
Well for once you posted something that makes actually sense. But we only gave them officials representing them to try and ge them to drop their weapons and get into the system. What do we get in return? They get us in war with Israel WITHOUT consulting the government. So please if you are trying to make a point, I fail to see it.
- Nick81 wrote:
- Lionheart wrote:
- Nick81 wrote:
- Quote:
- Hizaballoh and Hamas for standing for their people against naked aggression of Isreal.
GOLD
This is even more hilarious than the "mistress" post. "THEIR" people. - Hizaballoh and Hamas for standing for their people against naked aggression of Isreal.
Hamas was voted in by the people, while Hizaballoh has 23 elected officials representing them in the Lebanese parliament. The Hizaballoh like hamas has better welfare system than other government representative. Again like Hamas they are less corrupt than other elected officials. - Nick81 wrote:
Well for once you posted something that makes actually sense. But we only gave them officials representing them to try and ge them to drop their weapons and get into the system. What do we get in return? They get us in war with Israel WITHOUT consulting the government. So please if you are trying to make a point, I fail to see it. - Lionheart wrote:
Isreal is holding over 1000 Hizabollah and Hamas prisoners without putting them on trial, but they have the nerves to go to war over two of their soliders who were captured :roll: . Isreal is using this situation to further theirs and US agenda to get Iran and Syria involved in this conflict. Since the nuclear weapon excuse by US has failed, the American administration is using Isreal to push buttons to get Iran/Syria involved in conflict with Isreal.
- Lionheart wrote:
but they have the nerves to go to war over two of their soliders who were captured :roll: .
And eight that were killed. And 100 rockets fired by Hizbullah into Israel. Anyway, why are you so surprised? It sounds like you know what Israel is like.
- Nick81 wrote:
- Corcovado wrote:
- mraph33 wrote:
- Corcovado wrote:
Anyone watching the news???????? r u watching/??? my country is destroyed , we have no electricity , no water, no exits :cry: :cry: and why?? for two coward , cheap, f**king Israeli soldiers who were killing arabs all their lives :evil: :evil: :evil: It hurts to see humanity so rigid and that people dont give a damn about other human beings getting killed.... WAKE UP the world is turning ugly ... :evil: :evil: :evil:
If those 2 soldiers were not kidnapped by people in your country, none of this would have happened. Despite harshness of the Israeli response, this one they didn't start. - Corcovado wrote:
really?? ok my dear obviously u have no idea what so ever about whats going on :evil: :evil: israel is stealing my country and its our right to defend it whenever we want :evil: :evil: :x so go and learn b4 being stupid and not knowing anything :evil: :evil: damn u - mraph33 wrote:
Ok Corc, I am going to try and be as clear as I can right now.
Yes Israel is a big problem for all Arab countries. Its direct neighbours actually. The rest, as much as they bark, aren't lifting a finger to do somethng about it.
It's our right to defend it? Refer to my previous post about that.
To begin with there is NO "we" in what's happening in Lebanon. Do you think the population, the government KNEW about Hezbollah's plans before we got into this mess? No. Do you think Hezbollah's plan here is limited to "defending" our country and playing heroes? Anyone who trully believes that has obviously no clue whatsoever about what's going on in Lebanon, and Hezbollah's agenda. But I guess all is fine, our hotels are now empty, tourists have fleed. Where to? [color=red]Well Syria of course. All their hotels are full now, at least for a few days. Jackpot. [/color]Lebanon is still paying the price. Was that what you had in mind Corc when you mentioned it?
. - Corcovado wrote:
nick im sorry to say this , but i think u only think about money and economey..
ps:I think HEZBULLA were fighting ISREAL not for iran or syria for the freedom of lebanon ,still i think that was not the right time to kidnap 2 isreal soldiers .
and about the arab world NO COMMENT :(
- sharewadi wrote:
- Lionheart wrote:
but they have the nerves to go to war over two of their soliders who were captured :roll: .
And eight that were killed. And 100 rockets fired by Hizbullah into Israel. Anyway, why are you so surprised? It sounds like you know what Israel is like. - Lionheart wrote:
for 8 soliders killed and 2 abducted, Isreal goes out and kills 60 Lebanese civilians, wiping out a 2 whole families. There is no justification for what Isreal is doing right know to Lebenon and Gaza and they have been doing this for 60 years right, act as if they are above any international law. Imagine if IRan did this, if they invaded Iraq or Afghanistan because their soliders were abducted by Afghans or Iraqis...the Americans would not congrulate them the same they congrulate Isreal for bombing the shit out of weaker nation...but instead they would push for case to invade Iran because they threat to their nieghbors. But Isreal no matter many of its neighbors it kills or invades...they are immune for any guilt. When Isreal kills 60 civilians with their air raids they are excused as being provoked...but when Hizabollah or hamas retaliates against isreal aggression they are seen as terrorist :roll:.
I'm not suprised at Isreal's reaction, because they have always reacted like this. I'm suprised at the lack of coweredness shown by Arab leaders as usual and the usual double standard shown by American administration...condenming terrorism by Hizabollah and Hamas...okeying the terrorism by Isreal. I'm suprised that Western media who blasted Zidane for retaliating violently by headbutting someone who insulted him is know making excuse for Isrealis violent reaction to an incident that could be solved by negotiating..instead chose war that could lead to what I'm afraid will be World war 3. :roll:
- Lionheart wrote:
- HP wrote:
Lion heart
u r quite emotional kid . where are u from ? if u have any country?
- HP wrote:
ur country exist in deep shit :P
- Mr & Mrs Inquirer wrote:
your wrong.
ISREAL is doing an excellent job and the free/normal world will praise them
when they have finished
The only thing Isreal is doing is digging its own grave, in the same manner 1000 years ago Crusaders digged their own grave.
- HP wrote:
- Lionheart wrote:
- HP wrote:
Lion heart
u r quite emotional kid . where are u from ? if u have any country?
- HP wrote:
ur country exist in deep shit :P - Lionheart wrote:
HP get your head out of your ass...
- ajb wrote:
Thanks for that .... what I dont understand yet is how did the Israeli's get there? Are they actually people from the region or did they all just move in one day put up some borders and say welcome to Israel?
Mass exodus after WWII when Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire. A Blafour declaration years before had promised the Jews a homeland in Palestine. And then a series of wars which lead to the state of Israel being created.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israeli_conflict
and more specifically:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War
- Lionheart wrote:
for 8 soliders killed and 2 abducted, Isreal goes out and kills 60 Lebanese civilians, wiping out a 2 whole families. There is no justification for what Isreal is doing right know to Lebenon and Gaza and they have been doing this for 60 years right, act as if they are above any international law. Imagine if IRan did this, if they invaded Iraq or Afghanistan because their soliders were abducted by Afghans or Iraqis...the Americans would not congrulate them the same they congrulate Isreal for bombing the shit out of weaker nation...but instead they would push for case to invade Iran because they threat to their nieghbors. But Isreal no matter many of its neighbors it kills or invades...they are immune for any guilt. When Isreal kills 60 civilians with their air raids they are excused as being provoked...but when Hizabollah or hamas retaliates against isreal aggression they are seen as terrorist :roll:.
I'm not suprised at Isreal's reaction, because they have always reacted like this. I'm suprised at the lack of coweredness shown by Arab leaders as usual and the usual double standard shown by American administration...condenming terrorism by Hizabollah and Hamas...okeying the terrorism by Isreal. I'm suprised that Western media who blasted Zidane for retaliating violently by headbutting someone who insulted him is know making excuse for Isrealis violent reaction to an incident that could be solved by negotiating..instead chose war that could lead to what I'm afraid will be World war 3. :roll:
Your arguments would have more validity if
1. You stuck to the topic (Zidane is a different story).
2. Were consistent - you're saying Zidane's overreaction is acceptable but Israel's is not?
3. Made sense (Iran/Afghan comparison sounds like nonsense. You say you're surprised at "lack of coweredness" of other Arab countries - it doesn't sound like you are).
4. Did not make inaccurate generalisations...
America did not congratulate Israel.
Israel is not immune from guilt - Israel has at times punished their own soldiers for killing civilians (not that I expect it will happen with these events).
You're still focused on blaming Israel. For hundreds of years both sides have been claiming it's the other side's fault and they started it. When will the two sides ever focus on trying to find a workable solution? Hizbullah's solution involves destroying Israel and you're supporting that? It's hardly a realistic proposition, irrespective of the rightness or wrongness of it.
The Lebanese were focused on trying to get their country to work after years of turmoil, and this episode will be a major setback for them. That's why I feel so sad for them.
Seems to me like somebody is using Hizbullah to prevent Lebanon from moving forward, and perhaps try and stir up a regional conflict.
from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5182476.stm
Capturing 3 soldiers is terrorism
Bombing civilians and associated infrastructure is self defense
- ajb wrote:
Thanks for that .... what I dont understand yet is how did the Israeli's get there? Are they actually people from the region or did they all just move in one day put up some borders and say welcome to Israel?
Someone was sleeping in his history classes
How long can you fool people by saying this?
Its Hezbullah and Hamas that are defending themselves with whatever leverage they have left. I consider them as common people defending their freedom from Israeli aggression. They don’t have tanks, warships and planes, but they have courage and will!
You call them terrorists; I call it rebellion for freedom.
Peace be upon the 64 innocent killed in Lebanon