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Pumpkin Escobar
Liban gave props to the Jews!!, your terrorist cousins arent gonna like that much
countess yayie
[color=green] their beliefs,gods,culture
anything as long as it is about
HINDUISM
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sniper420
hindusm is a religion where you bow to anyone who performs miracles. I read Bhagwad Gita :hinduism holy book, and most of the stuffs are myth. Many westerners are fascinated by this old religion . Did you ever hear of Rajneesh (presently known as Osoho) Who conned thousands of Westerners and within ten yrs he amassed more than 400 million dollars of wealth and 99 Rolls Royce! He was big time con artist another one is Muktadanta (child molester). These people did have some meditative skills and led simple lives but as number of followers increased they turned into business and ruined everything. Yoga and other exercises like (Kama Sutra) came from Hinduism. There are so many ideas in Hinduism that I oppose eg. giving food to god as appeasement; billions of gods, worshiping idol etc. But one thing I find it true is whatever the religion is - the first sign of the teacher or priest must be simplicity. It shows that he is not prepossessedwith wordly pleasures. And moreover an ideal teacher shouldn't charge to teach his disciples. He teaches his disciples out of happiness. Anywayz I only beleive in ONE LORD,One religion, One life and one wife... LOL last one is capricious.. :lol:
countess yayie
  • sniper420 wrote:
    hindusm is a religion where you bow to anyone who performs miracles. I read Bhagwad Gita :hinduism holy book, and most of the stuffs are myth. Many westerners are fascinated by this old religion . Did you ever hear of Rajneesh (presently known as Osoho) Who conned thousands of Westerners and within ten yrs he amassed more than 400 million dollars of wealth and 99 Rolls Royce! He was big time con artist another one is Muktadanta (child molester). These people did have some meditative skills and led simple lives but as number of followers increased they turned into business and ruined everything. Yoga and other exercises like (Kama Sutra) came from Hinduism. There are so many ideas in Hinduism that I oppose eg. giving food to god as appeasement; billions of gods, worshiping idol etc. But one thing I find it true is whatever the religion is - the first sign of the teacher or priest must be simplicity. It shows that he is not prepossessedwith wordly pleasures. And moreover an ideal teacher shouldn't charge to teach his disciples. He teaches his disciples out of happiness. Anywayz I only beleive in ONE LORD,One religion, One life and one wife... LOL last one is capricious.. :lol:

[color=green] thanks! I envy you for that HINDUISM HOLY BOOK....really.... :cry: [/color]
Liban
Hinduism is not even a true religion. The only true religions are the ones followed by the People of the Book which is to say Muslims, Christians, and Jews. That religion and many of the customs and obligations are bogus and make no sense and are idolatic and hence to shunned.
sniper420
  • Pumpkin Escobar wrote:
    Liban gave props to the Jews!!, your terrorist cousins arent gonna like that much

how did u know he had terrorist cousins did u date em? :lol:
Pumpkin Escobar
On a date to @#%$!!!!!!!
sniper420
  • countess yayie wrote:
    • sniper420 wrote:
      hindusm is a religion where you bow to anyone who performs miracles. I read Bhagwad Gita :hinduism holy book, and most of the stuffs are myth. Many westerners are fascinated by this old religion . Did you ever hear of Rajneesh (presently known as Osoho) Who conned thousands of Westerners and within ten yrs he amassed more than 400 million dollars of wealth and 99 Rolls Royce! He was big time con artist another one is Muktadanta (child molester). These people did have some meditative skills and led simple lives but as number of followers increased they turned into business and ruined everything. Yoga and other exercises like (Kama Sutra) came from Hinduism. There are so many ideas in Hinduism that I oppose eg. giving food to god as appeasement; billions of gods, worshiping idol etc. But one thing I find it true is whatever the religion is - the first sign of the teacher or priest must be simplicity. It shows that he is not prepossessedwith wordly pleasures. And moreover an ideal teacher shouldn't charge to teach his disciples. He teaches his disciples out of happiness. Anywayz I only beleive in ONE LORD,One religion, One life and one wife... LOL last one is capricious.. :lol:

    [color=green] thanks! I envy you for that HINDUISM HOLY BOOK....really.... :cry: [/color]

u can get it anywhere darling.
ady
Hindus have millions of Gods. They worship anything and everything they find miraculous or heroic. They even worship animals as there Gods. Do they really understand who God can be. Waht is the definition of God. Do they believe in Adam and Eve and who Adam n eve worshiped?
Liban
  • ady wrote:
    Hindus have millions of Gods. They worship anything and everything they find miraculous or heroic.
    They even worship animals as there Gods.
    Do they really understand who God can be. Waht is the definition of God. Do they believe in Adam and Eve and who Adam n eve worshiped?

They do not beleive in Adam and Eve. They do not beleive in the True God, the One God, the Only God.
They are without true faith and need to be saved if they wanna get to heaven.. Reincarnation is a scam...
sniper420
  • Liban wrote:
    • ady wrote:
      Hindus have millions of Gods. They worship anything and everything they find miraculous or heroic.
      They even worship animals as there Gods.
      Do they really understand who God can be. Waht is the definition of God. Do they believe in Adam and Eve and who Adam n eve worshiped?

    They do not beleive in Adam and Eve. They do not beleive in the True God, the One God, the Only God.
    They are without true faith and need to be saved if they wanna get to heaven.. Reincarnation is a scam...

Liban if u didnt reincarnate, then who did Pumpkin f%^k last life? :lol:
Liban
You.
sniper420
  • Liban wrote:
    You.

But I was the executioner who killed Pumpkin and you cos ma master told me you guys had sacrilegous oral s*x in public! :lol:
Liban
Please keep these forums clean. Project yourself only in the Fight Club.
Pumpkin Escobar
Why care what Hindu's believe? You believe in one God correct? Why spend time worring about what others are doing.
Liban
I would like to see all my fellow man go to heaven when they die.
chap1979
All YOU BUNCH OF JOKERS who are discussing this topic dont even try to understand what true Hinduism actually all about. I dont say that Hinduism is worlds perfect religion but it is a way of life where the society is richest in culture and tradition. People respect their elders. Mom and Dad are not treated as burdens but treated nothing less than Gods. Someone mentioned that this is not as per book. Pity on him. This religion is the oldest religion of the world and it is alive without even a book. And no one enforces any other person to be converted into Hinduism. I suggest you guys should try to find out more about it and then comment.
Nik
Yeah I take offence to this stuff as well...for some reason it seems ok to have religious prejudices here...no one's telling you what to believe in (and the times that they try to online, the same people waxing eloquent on other religions take exception, thats sheer hypocrisy)...do not expect respect if you can't give it out...Liban I'm surprised especially at you, for all your messing about, you seem to be a fair minded guy, who doesn't like racism directed at people, yet here you are being just as prejudiced and unaccepting of other people
Liban
I am not being unaccepting of other people. If that is what I was portraying then I didn't properly communicate myself. Hmm.... What I am basically trying to say is that I don't beleive in Hinduism being a proper religion of God and as such I can't say anything good about it. If people choose to become Hindus, well then thats their perogative. I can try and speak to those that wanna listen but thats all I can do. My religion encourages me to spead the word to those that wanna hear it. If they don't, then so be it. I accept all people, except those that bear ill will on me and my brothers - such as the Jews.
abs
Liban - we are almost on the same channel....almost. Hinduism is this. Your life is a drop of water in a glass bottle floating in the middle of the ocean. The aim is to break free of this bottle and become one with the ocean. Buddhism came from the same place. But its a little smarter. It sees life as a drop of water trapped in a glass bottle floating in the ocean. It KNOWS that the water outside the bottle is exactly the same as the drop in the bottle. SO its aim is to "sieze to exist" No self...no problem. HINDUISM IS THE OLDEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD! Because Christianity,Islam,Jews ARE NOT RELIGIONS. They have the WORD OF GOD (currently still in dispute as to who has the correct one..but not for long now). The WORD OF GOD has stand the test of time,space and science. Unfortunately for Hindus and buddhists...their beliefs has no scientific evidence...no archealogical proofs....no peace. If you disagree..speakth forth..for I have studied these religions for years. There is ONLY ONE GOD. But they are many evils on earth. Take heart to the warning. Being nice alone will NOT get you to heaven. And hell is very very real. And I am not going there. PEACE! AND GOD BLESS!!
Liban
I hear ya abs... Its funny how some people who do not beleive in God 100%, who are gay and who sleep around still claim that they will go to heaven simply because they are "nice". Being nice helps, but if you don't have the basics down packed well then, hell is waiting for ya... Obviously if you follow God's teachings to the letter, pray to Him and His Glory, beleive in Him, and do what He requires of you, but you are not nice, well chances are you may not fgo to heaven.... If you appear "religious" on the outside, but are rotten to the core on the inside, well you ain't gonna make it to heaven. But abs, one thing. You cannot say whether or not you or I or anyone else will go to hell or heaven. Only God will decide these things. Obviously if you are a righteous person then your chances of getting into heaven are pretty good.
abs
Well..thats fork road between Christianity and Islam. Jesus came..He saw...He conquered. He conquered death. He said He is the ultimate sacrifise. He paid death for our sins. Something we can NEVER pay ourselves. BEcause ALL have fallen short of God's standard. Therefore ALL must go to hell. Unless he/she has somebody to pay the price and die for them. Jesus. The Son of God. He said so..and He never lies. The Jesus in the Quran was written 600 years after the death of Jesus. Or in your case..Jesus fled and the one that died was Judas. 600 years ,man. Thats a pretty long time to try to remember someone's exact detail. The Jesus in the Holy bible were written while Jesus was still on earth. By many of His disciples but only 4 made it into the Book. But all wrote of the same person..but different perspective. Many years later (not 6 centuries thou) , the Holy Bible was compile by King James after he burnt many Christians to death. He became a Christian himself after he saw so many died for the name of Jesus. He realise these people knows Jesus and what Jesus can give is worth a painful fiery death on a stake. And dig this.. non...non of the priests made a sound when they were burnt to death. No screaming..no crying. They all felt grace and all got their souls received by Christ JEsus. Thats the biggest difference between us...I think. We we can discuss this further. PEACE, Brother od Bless
Pumpkin Escobar
So God must be vain in order to put us here, give us free will, and then punish us for not worshipping him. Why would a being who is everywhere and everything care if a few choose to follow a different path? Does it make God pleased to see people worship him? So if that is the case, than God exhibits charateristics like us, so he therefore could be wrong or greedy, jealous, crazy, etc. Just a though, but think about it
abs
  • Pumpkin Escobar wrote:
    So God must be vain in order to put us here, give us free will, and then punish us for not worshipping him. Why would a being who is everywhere and everything care if a few choose to follow a different path? Does it make God pleased to see people worship him? So if that is the case, than God exhibits charateristics like us, so he therefore could be wrong or greedy, jealous, crazy, etc.
    Just a though, but think about it

God is also called "The Creator"
Being the no:1 artist in the universe...He creates everything.
If He wants to make a man that looks like Him..He can. Most artists have self portraits.
But there is only 1 God and this new creation He made does not have His Godly nature. So He gave them something very precious. He gave them free will. He wanted His creation to love him like the way He loved the man. But man..being not Holy like God...sinned.
Sin = disobedience.
Disobeying God is bad. But He did not simply destroy them and start over.
You won't kill your own children just because he/she disobeyed you..would ya?
Instead, you will try to educate them.
Let them play skateboards..fall down and learn balance and pain.
Lost and know treasure.
Death and know sadness.
Insulted and learn humility.
Punished and learn discipline.
That is what God is doing now. He wants us to be with Him. But we are not there yet. So He continue to educate us.
And yes. God loves man to worship Him.
Wouldn't you love it when your children come say to you:"Thank you daddy. I love what you gave me. Its beautiful"
Or would you prefer for them to accept what you give and continue to live as if its your duty and take it for granted.
God is never wrong.
But He is greedy for the righteous.
He can be reasoned with. Just like Abraham did.
He can be grieved.
He can be sad.
And most unfortunately, He can be angered.
He is enitled to all these emotion because what He gives overshadows all of the above.
He gives Love like nothing you or I can imagine.
His love is as wide as the east to the west. Try measure how wide that is.
Folks. Can you imagine sending your son to the slaughter house to be humiliated, flogged (whipped with bladed tips), crucified and speared just so that you can save another child?
He sent His only Son, Jesus Christ. Thats the whole reason for life.
JC accepted this because the Father said so. JC had faith that His Dad can bring Him back to life although the pain is real and the death is truth.
A donkey cannot give birth to a horse..nor can a chicken give birth to a goat.
Jesus is the Son of God. His Father is God..and therefore the Son is God.
Pumpkin Escobar
Good point. But, being a man, I dont have the Almighty power to snap my fingers and make it all go away.
Liban
Jesus is mentionned in the Quran that, yes, is about 600 years (give or take) after Jesus died. You said that its pretty hard to remember everything that Jesus did 600 years later in exact detail... So what you are saying is that God is cannot recall what He made His messanger do? :? Dude the Holy Blessed Quran was written by man. God spoke the words of the Quran through the blessed mouth of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). By saying what you did, is an insult to God. But you probably were not too sure of what you were typing in this regard so no real insult was done. The first bible was written by King James. There are no written copies of the bible before that. Many scholars argue that the bible has changed over the centuries. Case in point, how many versions of the bible are out there? The Quran is God's spoken word. Spoken through the mouth of the most honorable of men, the greatest man, the most perfect human being, the man whome none of us can never match in terms of all around perfection and enlightenment, the Prophet Mohammad. The final messanger of the Creater, the Lord, God.
abs
King James did not write it. He gathered them. Same to what you are saying. By claiming that the Quran IS the Word of God is saying that the Holy Bible is fake. The book was guided by the Holy Spirit and through many deaths of Christians, gathered and compiled into the Holy Bible we know today. Yes. The Holy Bible was rewrote over and over again. Simply because the ancient Hebrew language known by very little. Even those who master in the language do not completely understand some of the ancient words. We kept re-interpreting because there are new findings on the meaning of certain ancient Hebrew language. The changes is neccessary so that we can have ALL the words. But then again. The changes made throughout the ages has no significant effect to the core of the Bible. Its more like "bowl" but was actually "pot". Struck by "sword" instead or by "axe". That kind of things. And back to the begining. The Original Holy Bible in Ancient Hebrew stays untouched..unaltered. Despite what you have heard, brother, the Holy Bible has grammar corrected over and over again. Nothing else was ever changed. The Dead Sea Scrolls are the PROOF of this statement. Ancient papyrus with ancient Hebrew writings talking about Jesus the Son of God. Now if we can agree upon that the Holy Bible has never been changed, then we can move forward. I am sorry if I insulted your belief, Liban. But I trust you know me by now that I don't mean it. You are just like me. Trying to tell each other the truth. And this exchange of info is very important. And if we keep this up, you and me will have the same belief eventually. Because God is at work here. God Bless you, my brother.
Liban
Take a book, any book. A work of fiction for example. Translate it over and over and over and you will lose in the translation.... Ever noticed how a dubbed movie just can't match the original, or a story or a joke that is translated from language A to language B just doesn't work... Now imagine translating from language A to language B then from language B to language C then from language C to language D, well you will lose alot of the true meaning in the original language A. The Holy Quran was dictated by God through the Prophet in the original classical arabic (now referred to as written arabic). Arabic is one of the oldest languages in the world and has been unchanged for centuries. Arabic pre-dates the prophet and then some....
Pumpkin Escobar
Which brings me to my point of the not needing religion to talk to God. Why pay someone to buy an apple for you, when you could easily go across the street, and take your time.
abs
Lady bought 1 apple from the market. The lady bought an apple from the market. The shop keeper sold the lady 1 apple. That lady got an apple from Ahmad the fruit stall man. The apple was from the market. Liban, your arguement here is that the Quran is in its original form when it was written and stayed the same throughout. Now tell that to the man who is holding the Hebrew Holy Bible. Or tell the rest of the world that the English translated Quran is inaccurate, don't read it. Don't go there bro. Many have tried and end up staring proof in the face. Just like I always hear you say:" You have to read the word to know the truth." If you don't you cannot talk about it. I have never went deep into the Quran but I know this. Quran claims Jesus prophecy the coming of Mohammed. So you claim the Original Holy bible is Ancient Hebrew is wrong. I mean....how different or how far that particular passage can differ when it is translated from Hebrew to English? Or what about the prophet that was with Moses? The one that did terrible things infront of Moses and said that he is doing this for a future reason and that Moses should stop questioning him and trust him? In the Holy bible. There was nothing even close to Jesus prophecising the coming of whoever. Because he said He was the Son of God and that His work is enough for all. If indeed the translation is so wrong, I am sure so many intelligent people would have saw it. Isaac Newton, Einstein,Stephen Hawkings, Galileo,Micheangelo...etc. They would have spotted it immediately. But these men died a Christian. Embracing the promise of the Holy Son. The translations of the bible are done by a huge team of people that comes from all over the world. There are too many for translation to go THAT wrong. Peace bro
Liban
Dude consider the following: There are several citations in the Bible prophesing the coming of prophet Muhammad, (Peace and Blessing of God Be Upon Him). Isaiah 42: 4 says: ' He will not fail nor be discouraged, till he has established justice in the earth; . . . “ Isaiah 42: 4] The Ministry of Jesus peace be upon him lasted only three years and at the time of his departure from this world it could not be truthfully said that 'he established justice in the earth'. However, Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of God be upon him, preached for 23 years and most certainly 'established justice in the earth' before he departed from the earth. It is therefore reasonable to conclude that the verses refer to the coming of Prophet Muhammad. And as I discussed this many times now, let me put it in different wards regarding Deuteronomy 18:18 "I will raise for them a Prophet like you (Moses) from among their brethren and will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them, all that I command him". Let me make some comments about the above: Christians believe that this is a reference to Jesus peace be upon him. One important word here is "Prophet". Christians believe Jesus is the son of God not a prophet of God. Another important word is "brethren". If it were Jesus the word would have been "children" because Jesus peace be upon him came from the children of Isaac. Since Ismaaeel him was the brother of Isaac, the reference is therefore to the children of Prophet Ismaaeel who will be brethren to the children of Isaac. Again the only Prophet from the brethren of the Jews and the Christians was Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of God be upon him. The next important phrase is "Like you ( Moses)". Even a cursory comparison will show us that Jesus peace be upon him was very unlike Prophet Moses peace be upon him. Prophet Moses' birth was natural whereas the birth of Jesus was miraculous without a father, to a virgin, peace be upon her. Prophet Moses married and had children, Jesus did not marry and of course did not have any children. The ministry of Jesus lasted three years and did not see the laws of God establish in his time. Prophet Moses, preached the law of God for many decades and saw in his time, the law of God established. Comparing Prophet Moses, with Prophet Muhammad , brings out an amazing similarity. Muhammad's birth was natural, he was married and had children; preached the law of God for 23 years and saw in his own time God's Law established in his land. The phrase: "I will put My words in his mouth", takes on great significance because Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of God be upon him, was unlettered; he did not know how to read or write. Normally God would put the message in the Prophet's mind. In this case attention is drawn towards "words" being put into the "mouth". Prophet Muhammad's sayings as well as eye witness accounts describe his receiving the verses of Hhe Holy Quran, and his tongue moving with the words being put in his mouth.
Liban
Or:
Historical links of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) with the Bible (Gospel and the Old Testament).
(All quotations are from the New King James Version.)
In the Old Testament, it is said:
“He (Prophet Ismaaeel) dwelt in the Wilderness of Paran; and his Mother took a wife for him from the land of Egypt.”
[Genesis , 21:21]
Psalm 83:4-6 talks about the enemies of among others Ishmaelites, and Hagrites (Hagar being the
mother of Prophet Ismaaeel).
"4- Blessed are those who dwell in your House; They will still be praising You.”
“5- Blessed is the man whose strength is in You, whose heart is set on the pilgrimage.”
“6- As they pass through the valley of Baca. They make it a spring; The rain also covers it with pools."
Psalm 83: 4-6]
There are several interesting points in the above verses. The name Baca could be Hebrew whereas the word Mecca is Arabic. Added to this the fact that there is a designated House of God built by Abraham peace be upon him in Mecca where yearly pilgrimage was performed from the time of Abraham and Ismaaeel peace be upon them both, even to this day. The valley of Baca could indeed be the same as the valley of Mecca. The above verses seem to place Hagar, Ismaaeel and their children in the valley of Mecca where Prophet Muhammad, (Peace and Blessing of God be upon him), was born.
Isaiah, 21:12-17 mentions
“12 . . . In the forest in Arabia you will lodge . . .”
“ 15 For they fled from the swords , from the drawn sword, from the bent bow, and from the distress of war.”
(Probable connection with the enemies mentioned in Psalm 83: 4-6 quoted above; also settlement in Arabia is confirmed; the verse 16 which follows, also confirms these verses are about Ismaeelites, Kedar being the 2nd son of Prophet Ismaaeel):
“16 For thus the Lord . . . all the glory of Kedar will fall;”
“17 and the remainder . . . people of Kedar will be diminished . . . “
Isaiah 42:1-13 These are very moving verses about 'God's elect servant' who will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. A point worth noting is that Gentiles are the non Jews and it was confirmed by Jesus peace be upon him that he was sent to the Jews.
Moreover Muhammad peace and blessings of God be upon him is consistently named by God as “Mustafaa” which means “elected”, and was also named by Gid as “Abd” which means “servant”. Prophet Muhammad always referred to himself consistently as the 'servant of God'. The above verses cannot be about Jesus peace be upon him as many Christians believe, for at least two reasons:
Firstly, the Christians and the Catholics describe him as the son of God and not the servant of God; whereas Prophet Muhammad is known exclusively as the Servant and the Messenger of God.
Secondly, Jesus was sent exclusively to the Jews whereas Prophet Muhammad was sent among the Gentiles. I am not saying I agree that Jesus is the son of God but if we wanna look at things this way then my argument stands.
abs
Liban:
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  • He will not fail nor be discouraged, till he has established justice in the earth; . . . “
    Isaiah 42: 4]

He shall bring out judgement. The bible is talking about the ends of days when Jesus comes back. All dead shall be risen to stand together with the livings and be JUDGED. All Christian knows that. Judgement day is the END OF DAYS. So that was talking about the Son of God.It is not talking about Mohammed because IF , like you said, brought justise to this world..
dude..just wake up and smell the coffee..look around and ask yourself...is it really? Justise happens when ALL evil doers, unrepented sinners GOES TO HELL. THATS..JUSTISE. You cannot let a murderer still roam the streets and call THAT JUSTISE.
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  • The Ministry of Jesus peace be upon him lasted only three years and at the time of his departure from this world it could not be truthfully said that 'he established justice in the earth'.

Jesus did not establish justice what so ever. He came with the message and told the world you have ALL fall short of the glory of God. And that He has been given all authority from the Father . Only Jesus can forgive sin.
Preaching for a very long time don't really stand up to the last 3 days of Jesus's death and ressurection. He has died for man and then conquered death. There IS no justice until Jesus comes and judge.
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  • And as I discussed this many times now, let me put it in different wards regarding Deuteronomy 18:18
    "I will raise for them a Prophet like you (Moses) from among their brethren and will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them, all that I command him".

That one is not talking about Jesus. Maybe you are right..it might be talking about Mohammed. So lets read on.
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up prophet from among.....
Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall happen,whatever man will not listen to My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require it of him.
Deuteronomy 18:20 BUt a prophet who shall PRESUME to speak a word in
My name which I HAVE NOT COMMANDED him to speak or who shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet SHALL DIE.
Deuteronomy 18:22 When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD,if the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptiously. You SHALL NOT BE AFRAID OF HIM.
ALL the things spoken in Isaiah has been full filled to the fullest by Jesus Christ. So Mohammed should not claim that all those things was for him 600 years after it has already been fullfilled. No he can't.
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  • The next important phrase is "Like you ( Moses)". Even a cursory comparison will show us that Jesus peace be upon him was very unlike Prophet Moses peace be upon him.

OFCOS Jesus is not like him. NOT at all!.
Like what John the Baptist said:' After me shall come one whose sandals I am not FIT to carry."
Dude...Jesus is way..way..way above the sinner call Moses. Not that I don't have respect for him but he is but a man.
He disobeyed God. Why do you think he was not allowed into the promise land but died in the desert.
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  • The ministry of Jesus lasted three years and did not see the laws of God establish in his time. Prophet

I am lost here. You seem to have the timing all wrong here.
Moses came before Jesus. Moses received the 10 commandments on Mount Sinai from the God Almighty. Its 2 slabs of rock with the laws on it. It is then placed in the "Ark of God" and carried around by the Jews.
The Law was established when Moses came down from Mount Sinai.
The Law was in effect BEFORE Jesus was born..which is 600++ years before Mohammed was even conceived.
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  • Muhammad's birth was natural, he was married and had children; preached the law of God for 23 years and saw in his own time God's Law established in his land.

The law was established on Mount Sinai. Way back dude.
If you go check out Mount Sinai today..you will realise the portion whereby God descended upon to write to Moses is still charred black from the Holy Fire God came down with.
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  • In this case attention is drawn towards "words" being put into the "mouth". Prophet Muhammad's sayings as well as eye witness accounts describe his receiving the verses of Hhe Holy Quran, and his tongue moving with the words being put in his mouth.

This kind of things happen quite often in Church today, my friend.
Believers can speak a language that he/she does not know and yet can be understood by a native of that language. Its call "speaking-in-tongues"
Its a miraculous sign God sends down time and time again and has NEVER siezed till this day. Ever heard a Chinese speak Ancient Hebrew and was understood by a Jewish from Israel?
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  • He (Prophet Ismaaeel) dwelt in the Wilderness of Paran; and his Mother took a wife for him from the land of Egypt.”
    [Genesis , 21:21]

You..think that was refering to Mohammed?
That was..like...way way before Moses. Man..it was before Isaac and Jacob if I am not wrong. That boy "Paran" was cast out of Abraham's generation. Abraham threw them out. But God had mercy for the child simply because he carried the bllod of God's beloved servant, Abraham.
God said He will make the boy into a great nation but he will always live by the sword. Paran was already OUT of the covenant God gave to Abraham.
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  • Psalm 83:4-6 talks about the enemies of among others Ishmaelites, and Hagrites (Hagar being the
    mother of Prophet Ismaaeel).
    "4- Blessed are those who dwell in your House; They will still be praising You.”
    “5- Blessed is the man whose strength is in You, whose heart is set on the pilgrimage.”
    “6- As they pass through the valley of Baca. They make it a spring; The rain also covers it with pools."
    Psalm 83: 4-6]

I don't know where you got that from but the bible does not write it that way. So that scripture is unknown to me. I tried to look for it but those marks does not reflect what you wrote. Its totally different.
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  • Firstly, the Christians and the Catholics describe him as the son of God and not the servant of God; whereas Prophet Muhammad is known exclusively as the Servant and the Messenger of God.

Servants of God does what God tells them to do. It also means to send messages to people God designated. You are playing with words.
Servants does what God says.
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  • Secondly, Jesus was sent exclusively to the Jews whereas Prophet Muhammad was sent among the Gentiles.

Jesus was not sent to the gentiles. Agree.
Paul was. Not Mohammed. But then you may claim that after such a long time. But just for your info. St.Paul was told by Jesus to minister to the gentiles because all are His.
Liban. Somethings can be copied from ancient time.
If by claiming something that was already written thousands of years ago. I can also say things like: "Liban was sent to convert the Christians to Muslims." And I will not be wrong. But to claim that an ancient scripture was writting about you would be wrong.
You quoted the scriptures...I love it.
But please...most of what you typed out..you are reading them out of context..which many people like to do...but its wrong.
If you read further back on Paran and Hagar..you will know why. And you will know Paran has no share in Abraham. God just pitied them and gave them something because he was..afterall...a birth of Abraham.
All the scriptures mentioning names like :"Light of the world, Prince of peace, the lamb...etc etc.. is talking about Jesus the Son of God.
The glory of God descending upon.......
That phrase was talking about Jesus because when Jesus was baptised by John, Heaven opened...a dove descend upon Jesus and a loud voice rang from the heavens saying:" This is MY SON, and in Him, I am WELL PLEASED." That was God by the way. Many witnessed the light from heaven..the glowing dove..and hear the booming voice from above.
I assure you no P.A systems was available during that time.
Peace and grace to you brother.
I hope you don't get angry with me.
I apologise if I sounded rude in anyway.
But Jesus is my LORD and thats the truth.
sniper420
Damn :roll: I for some reason dont beleive God can have son or daughter and that to a human. I am also against the celibacy practice doneby nuns ,bishops etc.
Liban
Dude I am not angry at you for trying to relay what you think is true.... But truth be told, the only Lord is God Himself. In any event continuing this thread is pointless.... We will eventually start to turn in circles... 8) I beleive in God and what he taught us as written in the Holiest of Books, the Quran al-Kareem (The Blessed Quran), the truth is what comes out of God's teachings as per the Quran...
Liban
  • sniper420 wrote:
    Damn :roll: I for some reason dont beleive God can have son or daughter and that to a human. I am also against the celibacy practice doneby nuns ,bishops etc.

...Lam yallid wallam youlad... This is out of the Quran as a small part of the description of God. I took it because what it says basically that God wasn't created nor does He procreate. It was told to us through Mohammad (PBUH) by God and was written in the Quran at the same time the words were spoken.
Also makes no sense for theologians not to get married... Then again that only applies to Catholics because for them religion has become an institution... even a business... Most other Christians can marry like Protestants and Eastern Orthodox...
Jewish Rabbis can marry and so can Muslim clerics...
abs
I agree with the catholic comment. Liban. The Holy Bible is way before the Quran. It has been proven unaltered despite all the rubbish people try to throw at the bible. The bible repels them all with scientific evidence. NOBODY can come and claim anything false about the bible. I personally challenge them. This is the Word of God. And there is only one God. There is only one book. And the latter can claim all they want to because they can never stand up to the scrutiny of the true word of God. 1 man saw another man did something is not a proof of anything. 1 man claim something is not an evidence too. Only the claim of hundreds of witnesses can be call proof. Hundreds....not 1 or 2 fella in a dark room near some country side where nobody walks. Peace and Grace
Pumpkin Escobar
Lawd Lawd Lawd!!!!!! :shock:
sniper420
  • abs wrote:
    I agree with the catholic comment.
    Liban. The Holy Bible is way before the Quran.
    It has been proven unaltered despite all the rubbish people try to throw at the bible.
    The bible repels them all with scientific evidence.
    NOBODY can come and claim anything false about the bible.
    I personally challenge them.
    This is the Word of God. And there is only one God.
    There is only one book.
    And the latter can claim all they want to because they can never stand up to the scrutiny of the true word of God.
    1 man saw another man did something is not a proof of anything.
    1 man claim something is not an evidence too.
    Only the claim of hundreds of witnesses can be call proof.
    Hundreds....not 1 or 2 fella in a dark room near some country side where nobody walks.
    Peace and Grace

I totally disagree with the fact that Bible wasn't changed. If u read a bible from ark ages, u will read loads of pornographic stuffs like Abraham sucking his cousin's V**gina and saying ur v**** tastes like wine. Damn and one prophet sleeping wwith his daughters and David murdering neighbour and sleeping with his wife. These stuffs didnt happen. How can a prophet leading a huge mass perform this act and then quote in bible. Ands abs research bit more u shall know what I am talking about. If men can kkill prophets then changing bible is not big deal. If it did then let's sin and repent later. :lol:
Liban
The bible has been changed countless times... Just look at how many versions of it are available... The King James, The Morman, the Lutheran, etc... The Holy and Blessed Quran, the Book of God, the Devine Book, the Book of books has never changed since God spoke through the blessed mouth of the Prophet Mohammad while the prophets closest disciples took notes. Glory to God and Praised be His Words.
EastWestExpat
Although I am not a Hindu myself, my understanding is that many Hindus view the various gods of Hinduism as actually being manifestations of one Supreme God or Godhead.




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