ARMAGEDDON

ady

What is armageddon? It is also called as herbejdon? I heard on tv it is a war tht will take place in the coming future? Does anyone has any idea or more information on it? In islam and christianity wat does it say abot armageddon?and does hindus and buddhist hav any idea or in there religion is it mentiond? Need views from both religion?

Liban

Armageddon or the Day of Days or the End of Days is closer than we all think... All the events in the world today are building blocks and catalysts for the Final Day of the Lord's Judgement. All the religions of God speak to this fact. The Holy and Blessed Quran goes into detail about this and not surprisingly all that was written in the Book is being pplayed out right now Subhan Allah... I don't know and don't really care much for what Hindus and Bouddhists say since they haven't accepted God like we Muslims or our Christian friends have...

Pumpkin Escobar

There he goes with all that "End of the World" talk again. It's just a tactic to scare people into accepting someones beliefs.

Liban

I don't want to scare anyone. Its the pure facts, take them or leave them. I don't care. Ady asked, I responded. Thats all.... I don't walk around the street with a Quran in one hand telling people to convert :)

Pumpkin Escobar

I could see you in NYC, in a black suit with the bowtie selling bean-pies to people on the street. :lol:

Chocoholic

Ah the old end of the world discussion rears it;s ugly head, yes true the Bible and Koran talk of it, Nostradamus (?) has predicted it, he also predicted Hitler, Saddam Hussein and other things, smart philosopher guy. But if all was to be believed, several dates when the world should have ended have already passed. I think in the end mans stupidity will be the end of us, if we can't all learn to live together. I'm kinda hoping that some little green man from outer space will come and take a select few away by then - Beam me up Scotty!

Liban

The concept of alien life is not so far removed from religion that it becomes impossible. Indeed God is All Powerfull and All Knowing, and if He wants alien species to exist then they wil exist. And if we are meant to have first contact one day with them then so be it... Yeah it would be cool 8)

Pumpkin Escobar

The human race is the most superior species on the planet because we have the ability to either completely annhilate ourselfs or save ourselves from destruction. THe world is gonna end, that I promise, but it wont be some secular being raining down fire and brimstone on homos and Jews.

Liban

Homos suck.... :lol:

sniper420

Liban wrote: Homos suck.... :lol: It is a day when ppl like Liban would be publicly flogged for being bis*xual.. :lol:

Liban

Is that what happened to you?

Pumpkin Escobar

Does anyone have a time of when this end-of-the-world is going down, because I got some errands to run and I am wondering if I should bring my coat?

Liban

You don't need a coat in Abu Dhabi... And for sniper420, judgement day happens every evening at around 11pm in his bed when his boyfriend BDSMs him...

Pumpkin Escobar

Yeah, it's already hot as HELL over here

Liban

So why bitch and wine about judgement day and going to hell when you are already there :)

abs

Pumpkin Escobar wrote: Does anyone have a time of when this end-of-the-world is going down, because I got some errands to run and I am wondering if I should bring my coat? Isaac NEwton predicted it before his death. He gave the year "2040" Thats the secret he got from studying Soloman's temple. And there is not given date, Chocoholic. SO I don't know what you are talking about. Many times it came very close....but close is not enough. 99.9% is not enough. It must ALL come true. And this time it has come closer then you know. No one knows the time. Not even Jesus. He said that only the Father (GOd) knows the exact time. And it is when the Gospel has reached every..every...every corner of the world. And if you believe in little green man , then you will be an easy prey for the dark side. The whole planet is surrounded by the level in which satan lives in. He controls the sky we see now. And little green man from Mars is not biggy for him to create. I mean..you believe i little green man. Whats so hard to believe theres a satan . There simply are too much evidence of his existence around earth.

Liban

Satan is real and his work can be seen all over the place in today's world. Just walk down the streets of any major city and you will see him and his work.... Satan is not exactly this big red guy with a pitchfork, a cape, and a long tail.... So if thats who you expect to see you will be disappointed. Satan's work and misdeeds can be seen by events and/or actions of people as well as other "happenings". Thats how he funtions and thats how he spreads his evil. You won't see him pop up in front of you and launch fireballs at you as per popular culture!! :? Also if you fear, then satan will be there to take advantage of that. You should never have fear in your heart. If you sense weakness, pray to God, say His Name, say it with conviction. Then you will not be an appealing target by Satan.

Chocoholic

Blah blah blah, is there any chance you guys could answer just one post without going all religious! Why shouldn't aliens exist? There's tonnes of evidence to support it, you can't be so naive to think we're the only ones in the vast universe. And I meant there have been many predicted dates for the end of the world, many of which have past, so obviously they were wrong. Logically and scientifically looking at it, the stupidity, greediness and ignorance of man could end the world in a giant nuclear war or in a couple of billion years our sun will naturally die after burning itself out (this is inevitable) and implode more than likely taking all the planets in our solar system with it. But by that time the genius boffins will have invented the warp drive and we shall be off colonising and finding other planets to fuck up because we're certainly incapable of looking after this one, and mother nature will have her revenge!

sniper420

Chocoholic wrote: Blah blah blah, is there any chance you guys could answer just one post without going all religious! Why shouldn't aliens exist? There's tonnes of evidence to support it, you can't be so naive to think we're the only ones in the vast universe. And I meant there have been many predicted dates for the end of the world, many of which have past, so obviously they were wrong. Logically and scientifically looking at it, the stupidity, greediness and ignorance of man could end the world in a giant nuclear war or in a couple of billion years our sun will naturally die after burning itself out (this is inevitable) and implode more than likely taking all the planets in our solar system with it. But by that time the genius boffins will have invented the warp drive and we shall be off colonising and finding other planets to f&%K up because we're certainly incapable of looking after this one, and mother nature will have her revenge! you sound like some Green peace activist! lol :lol:

abs

Madam. There is no evidence of anything solid. All the scientist starts their claims with :"We believe...blah blah.." They just "believe". There is no proofs. Sure there are tons of theories that results in many forms of speculation concerning alien life forms. And sure, scientist says that life on earth was seeded from outer space. And I agree with that. Because GOD came and made the first one. The Book says we are the only ones God created in this universe. Otherwise the Book would have said it. All alien life forms that have made it up the news or magazines show super advance "evidence" of a much more intelligent life form. If so..why don't they just come down and take over? Or do you believe we are in somekind of a giant matrix and we are all dreaming... You probably believe in the "Evolution of man from Ape" theory then. The theory is flawed..BIG TIME. Scientist simply clings on to the old teaching because some very clever man came up with it and the rest of the scientists agreed upon the theory as to how we come about. Its the fear of embarressing themselves infront of billions of people by coming clean and confess they made a mistake and that all these years..all the scholars around the world has been studying something that is wrong...which they approved....*lost*.. anyway.. Man did not evolve from monkeys. So becareful of your wait for alien life forms. Beware of the "Prince of the power of the air" A rather nice long name lucifer. Anything thats from the air...becareful..that includes "broadcasting businesses" PEACE GOD BLESS *Puts on his shades and walks into the sunset*

Pumpkin Escobar

The only thing that will end the world is man himself, not some all-powerful psedo-entity holy beast in the heavens or from the depths.

Chocoholic

Well I'd like to know how the theory is FLAWED, giving the overwhelming evidence of mans evolution. Actually one line of thought is that rodents were the basis of mans evolution as they survived whereas the dinosaurs did not. How can you just right off millions of years of evidence? You can't just right things off, new things are coming to light every single day. Of course you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. I just prefer to take a scientific view of things and don't necessarily believe that things were created the way you do. I don't believe that we were just plonked here out of no where, it all started somewhere and yes beleive it or not there was life on this earth before man ever existed but how it all came to pass scientifically speaking is still up for discussion, observation and gaining new knowledge and I'm very interested to find out.

Chocoholic

Anyway have you ever stopped to look at how close apes and monkeys resemble human being? They're the only other species that will create tools for their use in every day life, and they're the only other species who will kill it's own kind out of maliciousness.

Pumpkin Escobar

Monkeys? More of the white man's lies!!!!!!!! :lol:

Chocoholic

oh grow up! and start looknig outside the box!

abs

Once again....don't mean to be rude. But its just the way I get fired up when I concentrate so show grace, please. Thank you. :lol: --------------------------- Except for their humanoid outlook, the ape has no other resemblance of man. Not even their cells. If we came from ape, there will be some form of cell that reminds us of that link. Just because archeaologist finds a mans skull next to that of a ape's skele don't mean we were apes. 1972, scientist thought they found the skele to the missing and claimed that they have found the remains of an ape man. It made it on the news. Later on , other scientists did forensic tests and identified the owner of the skull. It belong to a General Lafayette that died in battle many many years ago. They early scientists thought it was an ape man because General Lafayette had extremely high foreheads. Just look at James Brown. You'd think he's the missing link too. And by the way Charles Darwin wrote the theory on the evolution of man. Just before he died, he announced that his theory is wrong and that people should from then on stop quoting him on this flawed theory. There are still apes in the zoo, you don't see naked man banging on the cages from inside time to time do you? The billions of year earth time theory has absolutely no evidence. ONLY theories. If you notice results from individual research firms comes up with numbers thats couple of hundreds of thousands of years difference. That tells you the way they calculate is wrong. The Carbon14 dating formula used by the scientists will ONLY be accurate if the weather has stayed the same throughout these "billions and billions of years". And we all know it did not. C14 test is based on the decomposition of C14 found on all things that has been exposed to the sun..no matter how briefly. The rate it decomposes, count backwards...and you have your answer. BUT. The sun IS getting hotter because of the thining of the atmosphere. The Bible stated that the earth was surrounded by miles and miles of water and that extremely low UV made it through that atmosphere and thus people lived thousands of years. This water shield collapsed when God drowned the world. Except Noah and his family and certain animals. And at that....the earth is not more then 11,000 years old. Believe it or not. Thats the truth. Scientists today get the "billions and billions" of year number because of time expansion. As we all know, the universe is constantly expanding. Try drawing a dot on a rubber band every 1cm. Now stretch that rubberband and you will realise the dots are now further apart . But the initial distance is still 1cm. Evolution theory - Flawed Man - By God Age of earth - ~appx 11,000yrs Peace. God Bless.

Pumpkin Escobar

I come from Chicago, not monkeys.

Liban

abs wrote: Evolution theory - Flawed Man - By God Age of earth - ~appx 11,000yrs Peace. God Bless. Theory of evolution is incorrect. It is some non-beleivers way of trying to prove he is right... Man was created by God. The first man was Adam, the first woman was Eve. Man can easy be entrapped by the lure of sin. And Adam and Eve sinned and were cast out. That is the origin of mankind. Not some stupid ape.

Pumpkin Escobar

I actually believe in the theory of evolution. The idea of man just "popping into existence" is plain gullible.

Liban

So you stick to beleiving you are the 1000 times over great grandson of a chimp if that makes you feel better.

sniper420

abs wrote: Madam. There is no evidence of anything solid. All the scientist starts their claims with :"We believe...blah blah.." They just "believe". There is no proofs. Sure there are tons of theories that results in many forms of speculation concerning alien life forms. And sure, scientist says that life on earth was seeded from outer space. And I agree with that. Because GOD came and made the first one. The Book says we are the only ones God created in this universe. Otherwise the Book would have said it. All alien life forms that have made it up the news or magazines show super advance "evidence" of a much more intelligent life form. If so..why don't they just come down and take over? Or do you believe we are in somekind of a giant matrix and we are all dreaming... You probably believe in the "Evolution of man from Ape" theory then. The theory is flawed..BIG TIME. Scientist simply clings on to the old teaching because some very clever man came up with it and the rest of the scientists agreed upon the theory as to how we come about. Its the fear of embarressing themselves infront of billions of people by coming clean and confess they made a mistake and that all these years..all the scholars around the world has been studying something that is wrong...which they approved....*lost*.. anyway.. Man did not evolve from monkeys. So becareful of your wait for alien life forms. Beware of the "Prince of the power of the air" A rather nice long name lucifer. Anything thats from the air...becareful..that includes "broadcasting businesses" PEACE GOD BLESS *Puts on his shades and walks into the sunset* totally agree :D

Chocoholic

Ok tne here's one for you, if you want to talk about gene compatability and DNA relations. Apes do actually have the closest resembling DNA to us. But and not to freak you Muslims out, the animal with the most compatible DNA to our own is pigs! That's why we're able to use replacement heart vavles taken from them and no other animal, because it's less likely to be rejected by the human body. Go figure!

Chocoholic

Liban, if we popped into existance, how do you explain the skeletons of early man from hundreds of thousand of years ago? Cavemen etc etc. And there was life on this planet, long before man ever set foot on it.

Chocoholic

The direct lineage from the ancestor of both man and the modern apes to modern man is not known. Evidence is increasing. Thousands of relics fit the general pattern. The word hominidae is used to describe the total member species of the human family that have lived since the last common ancestor of both man and the apes. A hominid is an individual species within that family. The field of science which studies the human fossil record is known as paleoanthropology. It is the intersection of the disciplines of paleontology (the study of ancient life forms) and anthropology (the study of humans). Each hominid name consists of a genus name (e.g. Australopithecus, Homo) which is always capitalized, and a species name (e.g. africanus, erectus) which is always in lower case. Some controversy exists on the time of this common ancestor to both ape and human, but it is believed to be about 5.5 million years ago. A key fossil record near that time is Ramapithecus, which was believed to be an early hominid for many years, but is now considered an ancient ape that lived near the fork in our common lineage. Ramapithecus is now thought to be an ancestor of the modern apes. From a genome viewpoint, the difference between modern man and the modern apes is quite small, about 2 percent. From a physical viewpoint, the greatest difference is in locomotion. The human walks upright. It is generally thought that this came about when the ancient hominid adopted the edge of the forest and plain and adapted to a life under the trees as opposed to in them. Fossil evidence shows that this bipedal adaptation was completed quite early, perhaps as early as four million years ago, long before we looked like or thought like we do today. Facial feature changes toward the modern appearance came much later. The facial characteristics of modern man are about 100,000 years old. The faces of earlier hominid were much more apelike. Please find a quote from www.onelife.com Controversy exists over whether brain size alone shows intellectual ability, but our only measure of intellectual growth in the hominid record is brain size. The fossil evidence, except for one notable blip, shows a steady growth in brain size. This can be misleading due to the different sizes of the people. Early man (with perhaps three exceptions) was quite small and the males were much larger than the females. From a cultural viewpoint, modern man and the other apes are quite similar in some respects. Sexual practices of modern humans are quite similar to the chimpanzee (although stoutly denied by some), but with far more homosexual activity. Although homosexual play is common among the apes, a totally homosexual ape is rare. It is estimated that about 10% of the human population is so oriented. [/img]

sniper420

abs wrote: . Just because archeaologist finds a mans skull next to that of a ape's skele don't mean we were apes. Oh yes these skeletons were of Liban and Pumpkin when they were having good time , Kilana showed up and was so pissed to see a human having s*x with his female ape and smacked them hard. Those lovers die side by side. Yes another romeo and juliet style. You guys decide who was the female ape and the male human. *Sniper420 falls to the floor and laughs his @ss off* :lol: abs wrote: .1972, scientist thought they found the skele to the missing and claimed that they have found the remains of an ape man. It made it on the news. Later on , other scientists did forensic tests and identified the owner of the skull. It belong to a General Lafayette that died in battle many many years ago. They early scientists thought it was an ape man because General Lafayette had extremely high foreheads. Just look at James Brown. You'd think he's the missing link too. Those scientists must test those skeletons again , I wont be surprised if they find it's skeleton of Liban or Pumpkin. abs wrote: And by the way Charles Darwin wrote the theory on the evolution of man. Just before he died, he announced that his theory is wrong and that people should from then on stop quoting him on this flawed theory. It must be Liban or Pumpkin who kept the theory alive so they can stay together and experiment on each other. :lol: abs wrote: There are still apes in the zoo, you don't see naked man banging on the cages from inside time to time do you? Oh yeah abs you will change your mind if you see Liban and Pumpkin playing strip poker. :lol: abs wrote: The Carbon14 dating formula used by the scientists will ONLY be accurate if the weather has stayed the same throughout these "billions and billions of years". Carbon dating doesnt depend on the weather but the amount of radioactive C14 formed by cosmic rays. Yeah I support ur idea that c 14 isnt reliable this site will corooborate the idea. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2001/06/30/wdate30.xml abs wrote: The sun IS getting hotter because of the thining of the atmosphere. The Bible stated that the earth was surrounded by miles and miles of water and that extremely low UV made it through that atmosphere and thus people lived thousands of years. This water shield collapsed when God drowned the world. Except Noah and his family and certain animals. I didnt know Bible had scientific description such as existence of UV! :D abs wrote: And at that....the earth is not more then 11,000 years old. Believe it or not. Thats the truth. Scientists today get the "billions and billions" of year number because of time expansion. As we all know, the universe is constantly expanding. Try drawing a dot on a rubber band every 1cm. Now stretch that rubberband and you will realise the dots are now further apart . But the initial distance is still 1cm. Well you cant calculate time only by expansion of universe. Opps guys I am forgeting something, do you guys want to have a look at Kilana. Thanks to Chocoholic for showing the similarity of man and ape, Liban and Pumpkin have become closer than ever b4. Alrite presneting Kilana!

abs

2% different you say. I can tell you what that difference is. Humanoid outlook = 50% Able to walk on both legs =25% High ability to learn = 10% Uses tool = 10% snores = 8% missing 2% is the MOST BASIC cell structure. IF you get a blood transfusion from an ape. YOU WILL DIE. Caveman DO exist. Its in the bible. In biblical time , when a man commits a crime unintentionally, he is exiled by his community and forced to live in caves. And during that time..there are alot. Thats why traces of caveman are only found in very remote areas. If you are forced to leave your family and live in the wild where dinosaurs roam...you'd live like a caveman. The bible did not mention UV. But what it says is only explainable by modern science. As man get more intelligent...they will see more and more of the bible in this universe. Recent NASA exploration reported that LARGE quantity of water was found floating around earth space. In frozen particle form. And when NASA uses the word HUGE..you can be sure its bigger than you think. Water shield around earth shielded the sun, and living things were able to live to a thousand years. In todays's science..you will see that man aging process is sped up due to UV. Thats why after the flood. There was a dramatic decrease in life expectancy. It dropped from 17XX to 700 over 1 year. And then it got even lower. Until today..its about 70. PEace

Liban

Chocoholic wrote: Liban, if we popped into existance, how do you explain the skeletons of early man from hundreds of thousand of years ago? Cavemen etc etc. And there was life on this planet, long before man ever set foot on it. To argue that I would have to beleive in the process they call carbon dating... I think its flawed and thus incorrect.

Pumpkin Escobar

Wasnt this about Armageddon? I hate to disturb the flow of ideas, they are all great. Good job sniper420 showcasing how retarded you are. There is plenty of room in Fight Club.

sniper420

Pumpkin Escobar wrote: Wasnt this about Armageddon? I hate to disturb the flow of ideas, they are all great. Good job sniper420 showcasing how retarded you are. There is plenty of room in Fight Club. AHHH. There is a saying that to say a joke you need sense of humor and to get a joke you need to have brains. You have none. And yes did I tell you you SUCK? Yes you Suck :lol:

Pumpkin Escobar

Your opinion has been noted.................. :roll:

sniper420

Pumpkin Escobar wrote: Your opinion has been noted.................. :roll: dont cry pumpkin i was joking :D

Liban

Actually I beleive Pumpkin was not crying but rather rolling his eyes... Eye rolling -> :roll: Crying -> :cry: Its not easy to confuse the two you know....

sniper420

Liban wrote: Actually I beleive Pumpkin was not crying but rather rolling his eyes... Eye rolling -> :roll: Crying -> :cry: Its not easy to confuse the two you know.... well he was rolling his eyes to prevent the tears from falling. Anyways seriously and quie frankly he SUCKS! One of a few truth I have said in my life :lol:

sniper420

sniper420 wrote: abs wrote: . Just because archeaologist finds a mans skull next to that of a ape's skele don't mean we were apes. Oh yes these skeletons were of Liban and Pumpkin when they were having good time , Kilana showed up and was so pissed to see a human having s*x with his female ape and smacked them hard. Those lovers die side by side. Yes another romeo and juliet style. You guys decide who was the female ape and the male human. *Sniper420 falls to the floor and laughs his @ss off* :lol: While writing this I was laughing my @ss off cos if you picture this situation it's really funny. Once I master flash I am gonna make a movie of this romance story which will be revered as Shakespere's Romeo and Juliet :lol:

Chocoholic

Hehehe yeah it was kinda funny. Yes the original thread was about armageddon, amazing how thoughts change from one to another isn't it. Liban, without Carbon dating how the heck are we supposed to known how old things are. It's very accurate. We did not just go bing, there's a human being.

sniper420

Chocoholic wrote: Hehehe yeah it was kinda funny. Yes the original thread was about armageddon, amazing how thoughts change from one to another isn't it. Liban, without Carbon dating how the heck are we supposed to known how old things are. It's very accurate. We did not just go bing, there's a human being. C14 dating isnt accurate www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/06/30/wdate30.xml

Chocoholic

Dude, That article is 4 years old!!!

sniper420

Chocoholic wrote: Dude, That article is 4 years old!!! Darling, C 14 dating is 50+ years old! :lol: Here are some methods of determining the age of article www.askwhy.co.uk/judaism/0495DatingPhysicalMethods.html

Pumpkin Escobar

Satan sent me an e-mail and said the apocalypse has been posponed until further notice, so eat, drink and be merry!!!!

sniper420

Pumpkin Escobar wrote: Satan sent me an e-mail and said the apocalypse has been posponed until further notice, so eat, drink and be merry!!!! E-mail Satan and say "F*CK OFF!"

mAJOR pAIN

Pumpkin Escobar wrote: There he goes with all that "End of the World" talk again. It's just a tactic to scare people into accepting someones beliefs. actually he's right !!! islam and christian pretty much have the same ending ... where issah, or jesus christ will come back to judge the living and the dead ... where there would be no stones unturned, and no walls un searched he will come back to judge the living and the dead....

Liban

You are correct.

abs

Islam and Christianity is not the same. Its the complete opposite. Even thou the events in the Quran talks about the same people and same incidents, the end results and morale behind each scripture has been devastatingly different then its forerunner - The Holy Bible. I still don't know how the Quran can claim its the true word of God when it is obviously so very different in everyway. Jesus said it very clearly. I am the Way,the Truth and the Light. Nobody goes to the Father but THROUGH ME. End of story. He is the Only begotten Son of God. He is God.[/b]

Liban

The Blessed Quran is the True Word of God. The Bible is no longer His Word. Hasn't been for ages. Jesus is a prophet. Mohammed is the Greatest of all the Prophets. God is nobody's offspring and he had no offspring. Claiming otherwise is blasphemy. I am sorry abs, but christianity has it all wrong and has many errors and flaws... The bigest error of all is your worship of Jesus and asking him to help you when it really should be God helping you and also by daring to think that a humble man, His messanger, is actually His son... The arrogance and blasphemy in that thought is devestating.

abs

And so says Mohamed? He just copied from the Bible and did his own modification. Added bits here and there and twisted whats in the bible. Please don't tell me that everything he wrote about Isaiah, Jesus,John,Solomon,David,Mary,Moses,Abraham,Jacob,Adam,Eve, Elisha,Eli, Daniel, King Nebechanezzar ALL CAME FROM HIS REVELATION from God. Tell me you don't think....He did not FOR ONCE..looked into the bible to get these stories. Which is..I remind you again....800 years after the death of Jesus. 800 freaking years !!!! And you claim its the word of God when its been in the Holy Bible for 800 years! Please don't tell me you believe what was said by 1 person instead of the multitude of first witnesses in the bible. You believe that the bible has been altered despite I patiently explain to you that that claim is nothing more then a lie to divert God seeking people away from the pure truth. Nothing has been altered. Its scientifically and archeologically proven that the Holy Bible HAS NOT BEEN ALTERED AT ALL. Whereras the Quran can never has such claims. The Quran claims alot of things but when you put it against archeological scrutiny, it can barely stand on its on book shelf legs let alone the scrutiny of modern day scientists. Sin MUST be paid. Not matter how many times you pray a day. The sin is still there. You said the only way to enter through the gates of Heaven is by the grace of God. That is true. Grace has already been given, and that is the truth too. God has shown us grace by making His son die for us and in return earn us. That is grace. Receive it. To be with God, its not by WORKS but by Grace. Quran diverts people away from receiving the cleansing of our sins through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Without that blood..NO ONE can see the gates of Heaven. If sniper claims that you are gay. That may not be the truth. But if a few hundred people says that you are gay, then I will be inclne to believe. Science and probability of 2 few hundred year old prophecy coming true within 500 years side by side is 1 to a billion. Let alone 456 prophecies coming to past ON ONE MAN - Jesus Christ. All this evidence of Jesus is practically screaming that He is the true Son of God and yet people cannot see it. The Jesus in the Quran is NOT the Jesus we know. It is not the same JEsus the ancient Jews and Greeks know. If you check history, all will tell you that the account of Jesus in the Bible is accurate. So stop bragging about the Jesus in the Quran being the Jesus we worship for it is not. I'd listen to facts and proven histories then words from some "Prophet of Doom" for that is what it will bring. And you still have not answer me where did the word "Allah" come from. Quickly go do your research before I tell you the answer. I have Muslim friends researching this fact for me and it will be in my hands in a matter of weeks. And who knows...those Muslim friends of mine may just be save from that knowledge and become Christians. I am sorry if I am harsh, but your accusations ignited the righteous fire in me and I will stand up, not for God, because He does not need me to defend Him, but for the multitudes of unsaved. The Lost race of Adam.

Liban

I hope one day you will see the light. It is by now obvious that you have taken your beleif's to the point of a cult. That is unfortunate. By saying the Prophet's name in the way you did, you insult Islam, you insult The Messanger (PBUH) and you insult God. Way to go genius.... The Bible is altered and is 99% out of touch with the truth. THAT, my friend, is as much fact as is God's existance. Acceptance of the teachings of the Quran which are in words the teachings of the One God, the True God, the Only God, the Merciful God, the God of mankind will save one from hell's damnation. You want crude, I'll give you crude. Islam, its values, its morals, and its teachings is God's final gift to man. It is the faith to end all faith's. It is the path to salvation and thus to heaven. You and others may scorn this all you want, but you will not be able to scorn for long, for when Judgement Day comes, and it is just around the corner, you shall feel the results of your actions in this life. Beleive me, there will be no mercy, there will be no more second chances. Now is your chance, now is the time to change your life. Salvation is possible. Salvation is not an alien concept. Accepting Islam and thus the teaching's God brings in the Quran, the Great Book of mankind and the Beacon of Hope. Accepting the teachings of the Quran, the ones spoken of the mouth of the most blessed of men, the blessed mouth if the last and greatest of all the prophets, that blessed mouth that God Himself chose to speak through (subhan allah). Accepting that beleiving most of what you do is blasphemy not to mention a sin. Accepting all this will give you eternal peace in the Kingdom of Heaven. Anything else, I am sorry to say, leads to Hell. Maybe that explains why Islam is the world's fastest growing faith with over 100 million in your natuve China being Muslim and that number is exploding. Why millions in the west are converting to Islam and fueling the growth of the Final Truth. And that explains why just in the past 6 months, over 15 people I know who didn't know jack about Islam a year ago have converted in their quest for God's Only Truth. May they be blessed in heaven when the time comes... God Willing (Inshallah).

abs

Quote: world's fastest growing faith with over 100 million in your natuve China being Muslim and that number is exploding Your research is inaccurate. There is only 29.1 million Muslims in China. There are 80 million Christians in China and its projected to be 40% of the entire Chinese population in 20 years time. The highest concentration of Muslims is in Indonesia going at 182.2 million. Asia holds the highest count of Muslims. What surprises me most is Saudi Arabia. Only 16million Muslims. Egypt 51.6Mil Iran 63.9mil Sudan 20.4mil Jordan 3.6mil U.A.E 1.8mil Israel 2.4mil Lebanon 1.6mil Kuwait 1.5mil Estimated 100,000 Christian Missionaries are heading for the Middle East. The most dangerous place on Earth to preach the Gospel. BEcause you are more then likely to get beheaded. But The Lord conquers everything and His spirit will be with these men and women who takes on this treacherous journey to save the unsaved.

Liban

You try to rebuke but you have no substance... Why is the population of Mulsims in the arab countries you mentionned small? Because the local population (especially for the Gulf states is small).... Saudi Arabia.99.9% Muslim Egypt 96% Iran 99% Sudan 90% Jordan 95% U.A.E 99.9% Israel 40% Lebanon 70% Kuwait 99.9% Now for others. China 5% Indonesia 99.9% South Africa 4% Bosnia 75% Albania 65% France 12% USA 4% Muslim world population 1.2 billion in 2004. In 1900 300 million. Projected in 2100 over 2.4 billion (supposed to double in 80 years at current growth numbers). Christainity is on the decline. Having propaganda preachers like you does't help... And not being the true word of God after all the changes to your precious Bible really doesn't help... And you say the crusades are over? 100,000 people preaching false words in the Middle East?? Heh are you that insecure? Save the unsaved?? Your notion of unsaved is incorrect. Those that have yet to see the light of God in Islam are the unsaved. Get your facts straight. Islam is salvation. Following God's Law as per the Quran is the way to get to heaven. God is Great. God is Wise. There is no other god but God Himself. The vast majority of people converting to Islam today (apart of the few unfortunate ones that may be coerced) join out of their own free will and their own enlightenment to seek the truth of God. We don't need to missionaries to do so. God says to us, to say we exist and we are the His servants. If they choose to listen then GREAT, if not, they now know Islam exists and they know of God's true words and it is up to them to seek deliverence and salvation... Your missionaries just keep hounding people until they scream out "shuttup already"....

Pumpkin Escobar

USA 4%-WOO HOO!!!!!! No wonder were right all the time :D It seems both of you have a passion for your beliefs, which is very admirable, but it makes you totally blind to everything else. Passing blame back and forth will never get things done of bring about understanding. Maybe everyone should just take a step back and look......

abs

I used amount...he used percentages....and he says my fact is wrong... So..there are 16million+++ people in Saudi Arabia which consists of 99.9% Muslims. I'd say that can be correct. Don''t you, Liban? And (China) 5% of 1.3 Billion IS 26million. So the conclusion. We are both right. But you got it wrong the first time when you said "100mil Muslims in China" And now you finally get it right by saying 5% (which is 26mil) So whats with the Quote: You try to rebuke but you have no substance... Sheesh. Get a grip dude. I am not trying to be hostile here. You must be reading my messages thinking I am screaming the words at you. Quote: The Bible is altered and is 99% out of touch with the truth. You obviously ignored the scientific and archeological proves of the Dead Sea scrolls I showed you. And continues to cling on to the "altered Bible" story. Whats with you? Do you not see proofs when its staring you in the face? The discovery says, exactly identical. And its 2000 years old. Before the Quran my friend. And Mohammad says the Torah and the NEw Testaments that "HE HAS IN POSSESSION" are the words of God.

Liban

Your words came at me in a hostile manner... Especially when you said a few posts back "so said Mohammad"... He should be adressed to as the Prophet Mohommad (PBUH). But in any event, The Prophet said many things but you must keep in mind that when he was reciting scriptures it was not him talking but God. So in reality you should have said "so said God". And then my response would be, "yes, indeed, so says God Alhamdulilah"... :) Peace!

mAJOR pAIN

i have to agree with liban ... i mean ... im a christian ... there are certain similarities .... of christian and islam ... and i do believe that we are brothers in religion ... while you ABS ... you are really confusing .... you strike me as a man of good will and a man of god ... but with your post ... theres soooo much hatred and hostility with your words ... like posting ... prophet Mohammad. as Mohammad. dude .... if we christians wants christianity to be respected then i say we should know how to respect others first . !!! and another thing .... islam embracess us ... us brothers in religion because our religion all came from the 3 holly scriptures / books ... yes good .... but i really see no point of you posting in a hoslite manner that "NO!!!! Christians are not the same as Islam "... well if thats your point of view then so be it ... but there are other erspectfull ways to pitch your view ... like what i always tell me brothers ... "No one has the right to preach holliness and the word of god to others, if He him self cant learn the essence of the very basic law of religion ... love and RESPECT!" ...... i rest my case ....

mAJOR pAIN

abs wrote: And so says Mohamed? He just copied from the Bible and did his own modification. Added bits here and there and twisted whats in the bible. Please don't tell me that everything he wrote about Isaiah, Jesus,John,Solomon,David,Mary,Moses,Abraham,Jacob,Adam,Eve, Elisha,Eli, Daniel, King Nebechanezzar ALL CAME FROM HIS REVELATION from God. Tell me you don't think....He did not FOR ONCE..looked into the bible to get these stories. Which is..I remind you again....800 years after the death of Jesus. 800 freaking years !!!! And you claim its the word of God when its been in the Holy Bible for 800 years! Please don't tell me you believe what was said by 1 person instead of the multitude of first witnesses in the bible. You believe that the bible has been altered despite I patiently explain to you that that claim is nothing more then a lie to divert God seeking people away from the pure truth. Nothing has been altered. Its scientifically and archeologically proven that the Holy Bible HAS NOT BEEN ALTERED AT ALL. Whereras the Quran can never has such claims. The Quran claims alot of things but when you put it against archeological scrutiny, it can barely stand on its on book shelf legs let alone the scrutiny of modern day scientists. Sin MUST be paid. Not matter how many times you pray a day. The sin is still there. You said the only way to enter through the gates of Heaven is by the grace of God. That is true. Grace has already been given, and that is the truth too. God has shown us grace by making His son die for us and in return earn us. That is grace. Receive it. To be with God, its not by WORKS but by Grace. Quran diverts people away from receiving the cleansing of our sins through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Without that blood..NO ONE can see the gates of Heaven. If sniper claims that you are gay. That may not be the truth. But if a few hundred people says that you are gay, then I will be inclne to believe. Science and probability of 2 few hundred year old prophecy coming true within 500 years side by side is 1 to a billion. Let alone 456 prophecies coming to past ON ONE MAN - Jesus Christ. All this evidence of Jesus is practically screaming that He is the true Son of God and yet people cannot see it. The Jesus in the Quran is NOT the Jesus we know. It is not the same JEsus the ancient Jews and Greeks know. If you check history, all will tell you that the account of Jesus in the Bible is accurate. So stop bragging about the Jesus in the Quran being the Jesus we worship for it is not. I'd listen to facts and proven histories then words from some "Prophet of Doom" for that is what it will bring. And you still have not answer me where did the word "Allah" come from. Quickly go do your research before I tell you the answer. I have Muslim friends researching this fact for me and it will be in my hands in a matter of weeks. And who knows...those Muslim friends of mine may just be save from that knowledge and become Christians. I am sorry if I am harsh, but your accusations ignited the righteous fire in me and I will stand up, not for God, because He does not need me to defend Him, but for the multitudes of unsaved. The Lost race of Adam. thats a very angry/hostile ... un respectfull post !!! and you expect people to believe you ??? if there are more of you huys talking that way ... i dont wonder ... why so many christians convert to islam ...

Liban

I find that the most christians that feel deeply about their faith are intolerent of others - especially towards Islam. Most Muslims who feel deeply about their faith (not referring to extremists) are no like that and we accept Jews and Christians as people of the Book.

castellano

Hi guys ,, again you are getting away from the good way to speak about this kind of discussions,,, First of all >> Abs ,, yes your post included too many insulting to Holy Quraan , Prophet Mohammad pbuh, and Islam . I don’t think that this is a method to get things explained as you said in the other thread ,,,this way you will be getting only some what are called Terrorists bombing at your home . and this way you are speaking about islam ,, you can consider yourself an intellecual-terrorist ,, dont you think so ??? Now Liban ,,,, well,, I can understand you coz I am a muslim just like you ,,, but I don’t expect others to accept what we believe just like this ,, I mean instead of telling a Christian that his Bible is not correct or a jweish that his Torah is not correct ,, you could try to show facts why the Holy Quraan is 100% correct , and ofcourse those facts are existed . Now back to the thing >>>>>>>> Abs ,, first of all ,, the Prophet Muhammad pbuh,, didn’t possess the Bible nor the Torah . I don’t know where did you come with this from !!!!!! A very interesting thing ,, the Prophet pbuh , was not able to read nor to write ,,and this is one of God’s arrangings to prove that the Holy Quraan is God’s words ,,, and could never be of a Human’s speaking . not only this ,,, The Prophet pbuh ,, of course in his life has given speeches and sayings , but , he prevented his companions from writing those speeches ,, why ??? coz he ordered them to write only Quraan ,, why ? coz he didn’t want his speeches to get mixed up with the Holy Quraan , and this is also one of the God’s arrangings to keep Holy Quraan safe . coz God has guaranteed in the Holy Quraan to keep it safe and away from messing up with it . Furthermore ,,, Holy Quraan is in Arabic ,, and its language itself was a miracle to the people at that time ,, I mean they were arabs ,, and they knew the ability of a very high leveled people in language ,, I mean poets ,,,,, etc. At that time ,, Holy Quraan challenged Arabs to come with a single Sura ,, or a single verse that promotes to the level of language that it used ,,, they just failed ,, not only that ,,, most of them came muslims coz of it ,, coz they knew that this kind of speaking would never be of a human being . The science in Quraan ,,, I always insist on this side coz it’s the nearest to people’s minds nowadays ,,, I mean ,, Quraan has spoken about different things 1400 years back that would never have been discovered at that time in any way ,,, and they are getting its meanings now only after the science is explaining them . and believe me they are amazing ,,, it spoke about the baby in his mother’s uterus ,, it spoke about the planets in the universe how each one has an orbit ,,, etc . Holy Quraan is involved with everything ,, I mean its like constitution to the whole nation of Islam ,, not to mention the whole world ,,as the message of Islam is for all , it spoke about social life ,, about financial transactions ,, about heritage ,about politics about ancient civilization , it even spoke about orginzing the relationship between a husband and his wife . In a word, Quraan organizes the life ,,, of course if its applied ,, but unfortunately its not .. and I don’t want to go through this ,, coz it will lead us to speak about politics here . What is mentioned in Holy Quraan ,, while it was mentioned in the Bible first ,,, I don’t see any problem with that ,,, why there should be one ??? they are from the very exact source ,,,, even Prophet Muhammad himself was mentioned in Torah and Bible , there is a whole Sura in Quraan : ( Mariam ) that is Mary in Arabic ,, speaking about virgin Mary and Jesus ,, .many many verses speak about Bani Israel ,, those are the Jewish people … and the history of Prophet Muhammad pbuh , is full of stories with the jewish people ,,,, I will tell you this thing ,,, the people of Madinah ,, that is the city where the Prophet has migrated to , and established the first state of Islam ,, were the first to support the Prophet and believe in him ,,, why ??? once in a year where pilgrims went to Mecca for Hajj ,,, the Prophet met some people from Madinah ,, he offered Islam as he is ordered to offer it to people ,, what did those people say ? they said : We swear by God that this is the Prophet that Bani Israel has told about ,, that he will appear ,,, so don’t let Bani Israel believe in him before you . Jews new that there will be a prophet and a last one ,, sent to people ,,but they thought that he will be from them ,,, coz it was like this in the past ,,, most of the prophets were from Bani Israel ,,,, so Jews kept telling and informing about that Prophet who will come and it was near the timing that they said he will appear ,, so they just were waiting for him . but of course when they saw that he didn’t appear from them ,,, well,, they just denied it ,,, of course there were some Jews who believe and embraced Islam at that time but ,, am speaking about the majority of them . One thing more ,, before the great migration to Mecca ,, there was two small migrations to Habsha ,,so called at that time which is nowadays called Ethybia ,, ( I am not sure of the spelling ) , at that time the unbelievers of Mecca started annoying the muslims who were becoming more and more ,,, so the Prophet pbuh ,, told them to migrate to Habasha ,, coz he knew that its king applied justice at that time ,, and guess what ,,he was Christian ,,, what did the prophet said ? he said : Go to Habasha, that there is a king who never applies injustice “ well,, when they went there, the unbelievers of Mecca followed them to prevent them from staying in calm ,,, so they asked that king to kick those Muslims out of his territory , he asked them why ??? then they had to find a reason ,, so they told him to ask the muslims what their Quraan tells them about Jesus and Mary ,,, one of the Muslim there recited the verses in the Sura I told you about “Mariam “ ,,, the king started crying ,, and said : I swear by God that they said the truth . ,,,,,,,,,,,,, and he refused to let the unbelievers to put hand on them . Now why we Muslims believe that Bible and Torah are deformed by humans ??? coz Holy Quraan said that ,,, as we believe that Quraan is correct from what I mentioned above . Now what you say that Islam and Christianity are different !!!!!!!!! I say yes and no ,,,, they are alike and they are different ,,, they are alike of that they are from the same source ,,, and they are different in the way they are offering the kind of belief to their followers ,,, now of course the original Bible had the same instructions as any Holy Book ,,, the message was one >>>> TO WORSHIP GOD AND NOTHING BUT GOD . And what do you mean by where did we get the word Allah from ????? it’s the name of God ,,, the same god that Muslims , Christians and Jews worship ,,,, its in Arabic ,,, and you can check with an arab Christian about this my dear … this way you even insulted God … ( god forbids ,,,and may he forgive us ) Let me tell you about the missionaries in the middle east ,,,, and I am really sorry from the bottom of my heart that they use this way which I only can call “ cheap” , they either use the poverty of certain people to get them into Christianity ,,, or they use the ,,,mmmm ,, what to call it ? the desires that people usually have ,,, like being in an environment where you can mingle with tooo much ladies or vise versa ,,,, where you can do all your desires ,,, I know one like this in dubai ,,, and you know what ?????? he arranges parties to get people in it ,, drinking ,, relationships ,,, etc. after all that ,,he starts with offering Christianity and its GREATNESS ,,, I mean what is this ????? well,, I don’t that Jesus would accept something like this …I know that drinking and mingling is not a sin ,, in current Christianity , ,,,, and of course I didn’t mean the usual mingling ,,, they try to get Muslims in such parties ,, coz you might know that mingling in such a way is prohibited in Islam …. Do you know what a guy told him once when he found out what his aim was ??? he told him ,, what is this ?? you get a bible free when you take two boobs ??? I am sorry to say it like this in public ,, but this happened ,,, don’t you find it shameful for a very respectful religion men to do ????????? Believe me Abs ,,,,, all what we believe in will serve us only in the after life ,, we are not living for this life ,, the scope is the after life, in the meanwhile we are all living in the same world ,,and it will get you nowhere with this kind of attitude . and even Quraan ,, distinguished the unbelievers from Christians and Jews ,, Quraan called them : People of Book ,,, so even with this ,, Quraan was fair with them ,, it considered them believers in God ,,,, BUT ,,,, ,,,, they got into other small ways ,, away from the straight one that leads only to God . Let me tell you this ,,,, my uncle’s wife is Christian , she is Spanish ,, she stayed in my country for two years ,,, I can say that she is the kind of fair Christians ,,, she had no problem with Muslims ,, on the contrary ,,, she is an open minded lady ,,, I even went with her to the church one day ,, although its an Arab country and a muslim one. It was Christmas ,,, she and I were walking around the city ,, we arrived to a place where the biggest church in the city stood ,,, she just stopped in front of it ,, and started looking at it ,, I mean her eyes were going to go out from their place ,, then I asked her : do you want to go in ????? she looked at me with joy ,,, with happiness ,,, and said : if its ok with you to wait for me for few minutes . I said : I will go in with you ,,, she was amazed ,, I mean look at this situation ,,, she wanted to go inside the church so badly ,,, but she felt embarrassed to let me out standing alone ,,, but I understood that she wanted it …. What do you call this comparing to what you are trying to do here ????????? this is the level of culture we should lead in this life ,,, Islam doesn’t force people to embrace it … A Muslim’s mission is to offer it only ,, who wants to accept it ,, then its ok ,,,who doesn’t want then its his decision . and this is mentioned also in the Holy Quraan ,,, I wonder why you don’t ask about these verses ,,,, but I know why ,, coz they reveal the greatness of Islam ,,, ok ,, a person usually asks about the things he is doubtful about ,, OR the things he want to seem doubtful ,,,, .

castellano

mAJOR pAIN wrote: i have to agree with liban ... i mean ... im a christian ... there are certain similarities .... of christian and islam ... and i do believe that we are brothers in religion ... while you ABS ... you are really confusing .... you strike me as a man of good will and a man of god ... but with your post ... theres soooo much hatred and hostility with your words ... like posting ... prophet Mohammad. as Mohammad. dude .... if we christians wants christianity to be respected then i say we should know how to respect others first . !!! and another thing .... islam embracess us ... us brothers in religion because our religion all came from the 3 holly scriptures / books ... yes good .... but i really see no point of you posting in a hoslite manner that "NO!!!! Christians are not the same as Islam "... well if thats your point of view then so be it ... but there are other erspectfull ways to pitch your view ... like what i always tell me brothers ... "No one has the right to preach holliness and the word of god to others, if He him self cant learn the essence of the very basic law of religion ... love and RESPECT!" ...... i rest my case .... thanks major pain ,,, this is the kind of spirit that should be among all people ,, i dont mean that i am happy coz you took liban's side ,,, in fact you didnt take anybody's sid ,,, and i really admire that that in you ... this is what i call being fair ,, and just living with other people in understanding . thanks man ,, you are a great DJ ,, :wink:

Liban

Alhamdoulillah... Subhan Allah al Azeem....

castellano

hey ,, i forgot to say something Abs ,,,, how do you look to Jews ???? as they are believing in a religion previous to Christianity ????? i think you will feel towards them the same way a Muslim will feel towards a christian or a jewish ,,,, with the eye of understanding ,,,,, and this is how i feel towards you man ,,,,

Liban

castellano wrote: hey ,, i forgot to say something Abs ,,,, how do you look to Jews ???? as they are believing in a religion previous to Christianity ????? i think you will feel towards them the same way a Muslim will feel towards a christian or a jewish ,,,, with the eye of understanding ,,,,, and this is how i feel towards you man ,,,, You just have to see what the Spaniard did to the Jews during the inquisition to know how Christians view them... Interesting fact, who are the Moroccan Jews we know of today? Those are Jewish refugees from Spain that left Iberia after the cursadors conquered Spain from the Moores (Arab Muslims) and then proceeded to spread their hellish tyranny on the non-Christians there....

Pumpkin Escobar

I like Jews, why not? I dislike people on an individual basis.

castellano

Pumpkin Escobar wrote: I like Jews, why not? I dislike people on an individual basis. this is what i was trying to say ,,, but what i ment is looking at their belief ,,, i am not evaluting people through their belief ,, i would be a fool ,, but we were talking about the way that a man of a certain belief looks at others .

Pumpkin Escobar

I dont feel I will ever fully understand this Jews vs Muslims beef, and neither will they I believe. It's like the Crips vs Bloods in Cali!!!!

castellano

Pumpkin Escobar wrote: I dont feel I will ever fully understand this Jews vs Muslims beef, and neither will they I believe. It's like the Crips vs Bloods in Cali!!!! you will understand if you will witness the war that will take place between Muslims and Jews ( i reffer to Israel of course ,, not to indiviual jews ) . but for now ,, i just to make it clear that ,, MUSLIMS DONT HATE JEWS FOR BEING JEWS , NOR DO THEY HATE CHRISTIANS FOR BEING CHRISTIANS . our problem with Jews is coz the land they occupied ,,and if those who occupied Palastine were hindus or buddists , we would have the same problem with them. its said in Quraan : oh believers ( Muslims) , you will find that the closest people to you are christians ,, and the most people that will hate you and cause you harm are Jews . it will be eternal ma friend .

castellano

Pumpkin Escobar wrote: I dont feel I will ever fully understand this Jews vs Muslims beef, and neither will they I believe. It's like the Crips vs Bloods in Cali!!!! you will understand if you will witness the war that will take place between Muslims and Jews ( i reffer to Israel of course ,, not to indiviual jews ) . but for now ,, i just to make it clear that ,, MUSLIMS DONT HATE JEWS FOR BEING JEWS , NOR DO THEY HATE CHRISTIANS FOR BEING CHRISTIANS . our problem with Jews is coz the land they occupied ,,and if those who occupied Palastine were hindus or buddists , we would have the same problem with them. its said in Quraan : oh believers ( Muslims) , you will find that the closest people to you are christians ,, and the most people that will hate you and cause you harm are Jews . it will be eternal ma friend .

castellano

Pumpkin Escobar wrote: I dont feel I will ever fully understand this Jews vs Muslims beef, and neither will they I believe. It's like the Crips vs Bloods in Cali!!!! you will understand if you will witness the war that will take place between Muslims and Jews ( i reffer to Israel of course ,, not to indiviual jews ) . but for now ,, i just to make it clear that ,, MUSLIMS DONT HATE JEWS FOR BEING JEWS , NOR DO THEY HATE CHRISTIANS FOR BEING CHRISTIANS . our problem with Jews is coz the land they occupied ,,and if those who occupied Palastine were hindus or buddists , we would have the same problem with them. its said in Quraan : oh believers ( Muslims) , you will find that the closest people to you are christians ,, and the most people that will hate you and cause you harm are Jews . it will be eternal ma friend .

Pumpkin Escobar

Uhhhhh thanks......3 times :P

castellano

Pumpkin Escobar wrote: Uhhhhh thanks......3 times :P why ....... 3 times ?????? !!!!!!!!!

Liban

Your post in this thread was done three times that why :)

mAJOR pAIN

hey thats a good thought !!! pump esco !!!! .. it has really been a mystery to me .. on why cant jews and muslim ... live side by side in harmony?? and we christians and muslim ... can ??? why ???? pls somebody enlighten me ofcourse .. this line of questioning meant no disrespect for any relegion mentioned ... for this questions reason is only to know ... why ....

Liban

As castellano anwered before the summarized reason is not that Muslim and Jew cannot live in harmony.... We have lived in harmony for many many centuries (for thousands of years even).... The Prophet Mohammed had Jewish neighbors who he respected and helped. The Muslims of Morocco helped the Jews escape persecution in Spain during the inquisition. The Muslims of the Levant sheltered Jews during the crusades. The Muslims of the then Arab colony of Sicily protected the Jews when the Christian Italians from the north conquered Sicily.... Our problem is with Israel and the Zionist movement. The Zionists were behind the cursed Balfour Declaration and then they swarmed in and stole Arab land through that pretext (1948 they decided to create an artificial nation on Arab Palestine) and again in later years through warfare (1967 they started). Before Israel and Zionism, Muslims and Jews lived in harmony in Palestine. So the issue is not Muslim vs. Jew. Its the Arab Nation vs. Israel. Arabs are Muslim, Christian, and yes even some are Jewish. They are all against the Zionist movement and are part of the battle for equality and fairness in the Levant.

castellano

Liban wrote: Your post in this thread was done three times that why :) daaaaaaamn ,, you are right ,, i dont know how did it happen !!!!!!!!!! :roll:

mAJOR pAIN

Liban wrote: As castellano anwered before the summarized reason is not that Muslim and Jew cannot live in harmony.... We have lived in harmony for many many centuries (for thousands of years even).... The Prophet Mohammed had Jewish neighbors who he respected and helped. The Muslims of Morocco helped the Jews escape persecution in Spain during the inquisition. The Muslims of the Levant sheltered Jews during the crusades. The Muslims of the then Arab colony of Sicily protected the Jews when the Christian Italians from the north conquered Sicily.... Our problem is with Israel and the Zionist movement. The Zionists were behind the cursed Balfour Declaration and then they swarmed in and stole Arab land through that pretext (1948 they decided to create an artificial nation on Arab Palestine) and again in later years through warfare (1967 they started). Before Israel and Zionism, Muslims and Jews lived in harmony in Palestine. So the issue is not Muslim vs. Jew. Its the Arab Nation vs. Israel. Arabs are Muslim, Christian, and yes even some are Jewish. They are all against the Zionist movement and are part of the battle for equality and fairness in the Levant. but why is it when i get into a conversation with local friends .. of mine and the word jew come in play .... bam !!!!! they manage to sum up all the understandable to my ear.. arabic curse they can come up with .... but then again ... your explanation makes whole lot of sense though .... i just guessed that the reason israel being all jews ... gives that "hate the jews thing " for the new blood arabs ... but the real hate started out between two nations ... not two religions ... ok ... goood !!! my question aswered ... thanks liban !!!

Liban

Glad to be of service :D

abs

Once again I would like to thank you all for your honesty. I would also like to apologise for being harsh with my words. It was not my intention..I don;t know what happened. I only have a few minutes at work to type the things I said so that could be one of the reason. Thou its not a good excuse. I apologise. If you "ignore" the harsh words I used, the geez of what I said is what I will say again. But in a nicer way. The biggest mistake I made is to talk about the Quran from a Christian perspective to a Muslim/s. This is like the first and most devastating error I did from the beginning. But I don't really know how to ask what I wanted to ask about the Quran. Just like how you'd compare which detergent to buy by putting them both to the toughest stains. Hence the "rude" comparison of the 2 scriptures. And as for similarities between the Bible and the Quran.... What I am trying to say is this: If Jesus did not die on the cross, then Christianity is meaningless. We might as well throw the book away and continue with our sinful life because there is nothing we can do to reconcile with God. So to say that Jesus didn't die on the cross is like burning our Bible in public...so to speak. Although burning the book doesn't really mean anything to a Christian. Its only a book, but you can never "burn away" the Words. I see we have more people talking about tscriptures here, so,...can we start afresh? Lets all be nice (or rather..I be nice) and discuss what is our main topic here. As for the earlier questions, I do not have special likes or dislikes for any race. I love them all. The ancient Jews are the one that crucified Jesus. Many still do not believe He is the Son of God. But the Bible says there will be special events for the Jews in the last days. One for example is the return of Elisha and Moses (The very same ones)at the temple speaking of the Gospel in detail. We all look forward to that day. So sorry for my harsh words friends, truely am. Forgive this stupid old man and start afresh. PEACE!

Liban

God told us that Jesus was not cruxified. It was a person who God made everyone think it was Jesus. He did that in order to make the Jews feel like dirt for their actions towards His prophet. Jesus was ascended into the heavens by "the hand of God" and is in the Kindgom of Heaven waiting till Judgement Day when he will descend with the arch-angel Gabriel and the other angels to test our faith... The dead will walk the Earth that day and no stone wil be left unturned. Why do you say give up Christianity because you cannot reconcile with God??? Why do you say that if you are not a Christian you live in sin?? You do not need to be a Christian to reconcile with God and not live in sin. Islam helps all men reconcile with their Master. Obeying God's commands (basically as per the Five Pillars) as laid out in the Quran leads us to salvation and not to sin. PS - The end of days is here. We are living in the begining of what has been prophecised (sp?).

abs

I said that because in the bible it says this: "The wages of sin is death." Meaning to pay for your sin, you must die and be forsakened by God. There is no other way except the unleash of the wrath of God at full blast. Whoever gets it...is done for. For good. Except of course, Jesus. Because He was not just man. But God who came down as man to take upon Himself the sins of the world. So says the bible. So , for a Christian. If Jesus did not suffer and die and paid for our sins, that means all Christians will face THAT fate. The fate of death and forsakened by God for eternity. Thats the truth in the Bible. For it says that God is just. And there is no other way around it but pay the price. Just like when you kill someone and go to court. Its no use admitting that you have done wrong and beg for forgiveness. Because in the end, you still have to face the execution. That is what "being judged" is about. For all have sin and have fallen short of the glory of God. Without JEsus's death and ressurrection, there is no gospel for the Christians..there is no such word as "Christianity" for that matter if its not this way. The word "Christian" simply means "little Christs'" or " to be like Christ" Thats whats in the Holy Bible. Peace and God Bless.

mAJOR pAIN

abs wrote: I said that because in the bible it says this: "The wages of sin is death." Meaning to pay for your sin, you must die and be forsakened by God. There is no other way except the unleash of the wrath of God at full blast. Whoever gets it...is done for. For good. Except of course, Jesus. Because He was not just man. But God who came down as man to take upon Himself the sins of the world. So says the bible. So , for a Christian. If Jesus did not suffer and die and paid for our sins, that means all Christians will face THAT fate. The fate of death and forsakened by God for eternity. Thats the truth in the Bible. For it says that God is just. And there is no other way around it but pay the price. Just like when you kill someone and go to court. Its no use admitting that you have done wrong and beg for forgiveness. Because in the end, you still have to face the execution. That is what "being judged" is about. For all have sin and have fallen short of the glory of God. Without JEsus's death and ressurrection, there is no gospel for the Christians..there is no such word as "Christianity" for that matter if its not this way. The word "Christian" simply means "little Christs'" or " to be like Christ" Thats whats in the Holy Bible. Peace and God Bless. and dude sorry if i had cursed you in the other forum... but see ... i never consider my self a real christian fanatic ... atleast i had the desency to respect and choose my vocabulary sets on such topics ... i know that you just wanted them to understand ... but remember what jesus said when someone trow stones ... trow bread .... but with your statements man your bread gut fckuing brick fillings !!!! hahahahahah anyway .. peace man .., and keep the agumentative tone down man !!!! ayt seya guys ... btw those where good sets of discussions ........